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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 11, 2017 17:17:18 GMT -5
Affirmative from what I remember reading in here!!!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by memac62 on Oct 11, 2017 22:23:37 GMT -5
I emailed Great Eastern Music and asked if there were any plans to release more live tracks. I received a reply from John Boylan saying there is a tentative plan to release the whole concert as a live cd or DVD or both. Look for more details on the website in autumn 2018.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 12, 2017 7:27:36 GMT -5
What whole concert, memac? The live tracks are from a 1980 HBO concert that is out on DVD. I have it. The concert hasn't been on a live cd or laid down as audio tracks as the advertising for the 3 live tracks said. eddiejinnj
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Post by memac62 on Oct 12, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -5
Eddie, I'm assuming it is the 1980 HBO concert he was referring to in his response.
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Post by goldie on Oct 12, 2017 12:42:05 GMT -5
We could all be dead by the Autumn of 2018 by the time anything is posted there. Probably another year or two after that for an actual release.
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Post by rick on Oct 13, 2017 18:52:38 GMT -5
What whole concert, memac? The live tracks are from a 1980 HBO concert that is out on DVD. I have it. The concert hasn't been on a live cd or laid down as audio tracks as the advertising for the 3 live tracks said. eddiejinnj Eddie, I think John Boylan may be referring to the fact that the HBO 1980 has not received an authorized, official release. I have a DVD of it, too, but HBO never released it. Nor did Warner Bros. I would gladly buy an official release. We are likely to see more product if it appears there is a market for it.
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Post by Tony on Oct 13, 2017 22:26:22 GMT -5
But why does it take so long to get titles released officially? I think it has been at least 3 years since I was told an official What's New HBO concert DVD would be released and it has not happened. And now this title. Why should it take a year when it should have been released years ago? The longer the delay the smaller the market will be for these titles as the public is moving away from disc ownership. And many if not most of the people who bought the bootlegs won't be buying again.
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Post by rick on Oct 14, 2017 4:47:54 GMT -5
Tony, I don’t know the exact reasons why. Maybe in the case of “What’s New?” Nelson Riddle’s heirs are tying it up and won’t sign. That’s an example. Maybe Linda has been ambivalent about the releases. She seems more open these days. We’re seeing more than I expected. I was just enjoying Disc 3 of the “Trio” compilation in the car on Friday. I have friends who are entertainment attorneys and I was just on the phone with one a few hours ago. One thing he complained about is when an agent leaks that a client is going to be doing a project and the contracts are not signed yet. Who knows why people hold out on signing? More money? Tony, I wish I could answer your questions. I take heart in that we continue to see Motown product released 50 years later and there is still a demand for it.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2017 6:10:34 GMT -5
I thought the HBO DVD was official. I am trying to remember cover of video (not sure where it is humph). Maybe it wasn't as offical looking as I thought. I think a friend had bought it for me for my birthday one year along with canciones. eddiejinnj
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Post by Guest in PA on Oct 14, 2017 12:31:35 GMT -5
Offenbach, Germany76 or Atlanta 77 would be my preference for quality remastering and dvd release. Linda probably likes her voice on 1980s HBO (great vocals for sure but the earlier shows are stunning). I know Linda doesn't dig too much attention but she warrants, deserves far more promotion in the "modern realm of media" than Boylan seems to provide. In the meantime we will remain her advocates.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2017 14:38:32 GMT -5
And as her advocates, can some people do reviews for the new SD 40th pkg on Amazon or wherever one bought it from? ( I know I should have started the sentence with and but wanted to kind of complete PA's sentence) eddiejinnj
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Post by linda2006nicci on Oct 16, 2017 9:54:06 GMT -5
I understand Peter's comments are not included in LP version. Am I correct? I received the booklet from HMV Japan, which was not included in the initial package. They said the booklet is not included in the vinyl version.
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Post by Tony on Oct 16, 2017 11:25:11 GMT -5
As far as I know, the only official releases of What's New were on VHS tape, Betamax tape, Laserdisc and CED disc. I have all 4. All were deficient because for some reason, the encore song Desperado which was on the HBO broadcast was not included in the home video release. Even though it's way past prime time to release on DVD, if they don't include the entire program, they may as well not bother.
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 16, 2017 12:26:35 GMT -5
I tried to track down who had the rights to the whats new show, apparently Lionsgate bough the rights to Vestron Video who released Whats New on VHS at least in the UK. I wrote twice and had no response.
A proper release of Whats New and the HBO Mad Love show would be wonderful - but bluray please!
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Post by erik on Oct 16, 2017 12:41:45 GMT -5
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Conversely, however, you have to wonder whether anyone making these kinds of decisions necessarily believes there is, if you look at the way they're handling this (IMHO).
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Post by rick on Oct 16, 2017 15:28:44 GMT -5
Quote by rick: Conversely, however, you have to wonder whether anyone making these kinds of decisions necessarily believes there is, if you look at the way they're handling this (IMHO). Erik, I understand completely why you feel this way and have that question. I hope from my posts over the years you’ve noticed that I’ve been “wishin’ and hopin’“ for more vault material to get official releases. Like Tony, I am a Motown collector and I can tell you that there will be a hint of unreleased material in the pipeline and then we wait. Motown is releasing The Supremes’ catalog and it feels like there’s three years between the hint of a release and the actual release. I get daily updates from The Second Disc blog. Judy Garland gave her final concert in 1969 and it is going to be released in 2018. My feeling is that younger people are into digital music more than those of us who grew up with physical product (vinyl, etc.) IMHO, I believe these people are realizing that we aren’t getting any younger and they had better release this material before the audience for it is gone.
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Post by erik on Oct 16, 2017 19:44:18 GMT -5
Quote by rick:
Yes indeed Rick, I have read with a great deal of interest what you have posted about anticipated releases of material from the vault by Linda and other artists.
I am just bewildered a bit by this new Simple Dreams re-release, why it only has the three live tracks from 1980, and not also whatever might have been left from the 1977 sessions (I think "Rambler Gambler" was recorded at that time). This is especially true since the original album was only thirty minutes long (of course, no one back then knew that CDs would come along with the ability to hold 80 minutes worth, a nice round number chosen by Sony to fit the whole Beethoven Ninth Symphony onto a single disc, by the way).
And it isn't just us the listeners these guys should be worried about. It's folks like Linda as well, since, while their work may go on forever, they themselves won't; and for today's audiences, except for her fellow female peers in the music business who have considered her the great female artist of their own lifetimes, Linda's is a name and a legacy that they don't know, and may not even care to know, anything about.
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Post by rick on Oct 17, 2017 1:50:02 GMT -5
Erik, I like to think that good music will live on. But, yes, those of us who are familiar with Linda will not be here forever.
On a side note, I bought a new Yo-Yo Ma CD and went to put it in my iTunes library and the whole CD is 82 minutes long. Now, my blank CDs are 80 minutes long. So I researched it and there are CDs that somehow are manufactured to hold more than 80 minutes of music. Of course, there is some kind of special trick to then burn the 82 minutes onto a disc, but I don't have any other program to burn CDs other than iTunes. I just found that odd/weird that a CD could hold that much.
As for what was chosen to go on the 40th anniversary of "Simple Dreams," perhaps now that it is released they decided that they didn't want to include more live tracks from the HBO concert because, indeed, they are planning to release the entire HBO concert on CD, and, perhaps DVD. So they probably don't want to cannibalize that by putting too much on one product.
I fear that the people who are in charge of releasing these reissues of Linda's material do not seem to have the love for it that we do. I can only imagine if you or Mark Islam or Rob, etc., were able to get into the vaults there and see what all is there. And then make a case for making the most out of a CD and giving fans 70-plus minutes of music, etc. When I went to that "Tribute to Linda Ronstadt" at the Ace Hotel in downtown L.A. last year with Don Henley, Jackson Browne, Aaron Neville, Gaby Moreno, etc. on the bill, I bought a regular t-shirt and a baseball jersey type shirt with the concert info on it. I was at the bank the other day and this woman behind me said, "I am reading your t-shirt." And she said, "Yeah, I remember Linda Ronstadt." But it was as if it were a throwback to the 1970s and Linda had done nothing since then. When I informed the woman that Linda suffers from Parkinson's disease, the woman had no idea. All she could remember was "Desperado" and Jerry Brown. I guess as a fan I have to realize that she doesn't mean to a lot of other people what she means to us. And, sadly, I think that's the case with the people who are in charge of these re-issues.
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Post by erik on Oct 17, 2017 9:45:31 GMT -5
Rick, regarding your story about the Ace Hotel tribute and that one audience member saying that they remember Linda only because of Jerry Brown and "Desperado", I think your concerns are a hell of a lot more than legitimate. Yes, those things are big parts of Linda's life, but there was more that came before, and obviously a lot more that came after. And since you had this whole swath of folks saluting her, long-time friends (Aaron Neville; J.D. Souther; Maria Muldaur; Don Henley, etc.) and newer peers (Gaby Moreno; Grace Potter; Aoife O'Donovan, etc.) alike, you'd think...you'd hope...that there would be curious folks out there doing a little digging into who Linda was, and what she was about. It's a sad state of affairs (IMHO).
Now, when it comes to the folks who are supposed to be in charge of re-releasing all this gigantic treasure trove of stuff that Linda did, I can't fathom what they were thinking when, in putting the 40th anniversary re-release of Simple Dreams, they put in live versions of the album's three biggest songs if, at some point later on, they intend to release that very live show on DVD, given how likely it is that material which Linda recorded in the studio in 1977 could be added on; it makes more sense to me. As a fan, of course, I understand practically nothing about marketing these things. But I am wondering if that isn't also true among those who are supposed to be in the know.
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Post by Richard W on Oct 18, 2017 10:29:45 GMT -5
Well, more live versions of tracks on the album would have been nice (three seems a bit stingy), but it seems to me that the '77 Atlanta concert (same year as album release) was the more appropriate concert to cull those three from. I mean, wasn't that concert recorded for inclusion in the film FM?
Also, not including a live version of Tumbling Dice is irritating.
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Post by erik on Oct 18, 2017 12:10:55 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
Actually the concert footage in FM was from The Summit in Houston.
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Post by memac62 on Oct 18, 2017 12:27:22 GMT -5
Erik,
Do you know if the entire concert from the Summit was filmed or recorded?
Thanks, Mitch
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Post by erik on Oct 18, 2017 13:03:27 GMT -5
Quote by memac62:
To my knowledge, it wasn't, and certainly not for FM. They used her live versions of "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me" and "Tumbling Dice" for the soundtrack album, but the film itself included her version of "Love Me Tender" (Linda's Houston show was in November 1977, about three months after Elvis passed away).
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Post by Richard W on Oct 19, 2017 8:52:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, Erik.
Still don't get why a live version of Tumbling Dice wasn't included. She always killed that song in concert. Plus, there's already a live version ready to go from Disk 4 of the Box Set.
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Post by erik on Oct 19, 2017 9:07:04 GMT -5
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Yes, this one is kind of a head-scratcher for sure. I realize that her version wasn't an especially big hit (peaking at #32 in June 1978 in the original Simple Dreams album recording), but it is still one of her seemingly endless examples of vocal power. And while we all know she prefers to be a ballad singer, I would still argue that navigating the balance between the ballads and the rockers is one of the many reasons why she is still such a big deal to both us, the fans, and her peers.
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Post by Guest on Oct 19, 2017 10:58:12 GMT -5
Rhino sucks lately. Too obsessed with the Monkees reissues. BTW the tribute to Linda and Canciones last month was Sold Out@ The Ford Theatre. It was a great celebration. This site didn't even mention it. Last night in a bar in Chelsea Ronstadt played on the speakers and her photo adorned the door of the ladies rest room. I know folks in their 20s who never heard of John Lennon.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 19, 2017 15:28:27 GMT -5
Rhino sucks lately. Too obsessed with the Monkees reissues. BTW the tribute to Linda and Canciones last month was Sold Out@ The Ford Theatre. It was a great celebration. This site didn't even mention it. Last night in a bar in Chelsea Ronstadt played on the speakers and her photo adorned the door of the ladies rest room. I know folks in their 20s who never heard of John Lennon.
It was mentioned in a couple of places, among them here:
ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/4615/concert-celebrating-canciones-de-padre
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 20, 2017 1:41:26 GMT -5
Finally bought this and am pleased with the sound quality. Someone commented on this earlier but I was never a fan of this cover....the grainyness is almost disturbing - not sure about the reasoning behind this concept. I would have loved the reissue cover to be the headshot inside the booklet or a clean image from the cover photo session.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 20, 2017 7:54:38 GMT -5
Maybe they were going for a dreamy not quite clear effect. It could be that this is a pic of one of Linda's "simple" dreams. eddiejinnj
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Post by ausfan2 on Oct 23, 2017 7:34:06 GMT -5
Some positive PR:
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