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Post by sliderocker on Nov 21, 2012 15:37:23 GMT -5
She really is one of the most self-critical single artists I can think of in this business. In a way, it's a good thing, because it keeps down what might otherwise have become a swelled ego (memo to Taylor Swift!). In another way, however, it is a bit depressing, because I don't think she really realizes what it has meant for us as fans, or her peers at large. There's nothing wrong with an artist being self-critical about their work, as long as it's on a song by song basis and not a blanket condemnation of your whole catalogue. Linda has tended to be way too critical of herself, especially the recordings from her younger days. Linda's Stone Poneys recordings and her early solo recordings are part of my youth and have remained with me since thse days. If she did such a terrible job singing or the arrangements were bad, she would've lost me early on. But, she didn't lose me and I still prefer her early work over some of her later stuff - even though I love her later stuff too. If she were as bad as she believed, her sales wouldn't be in excess of 100 million worldwide and very likely, she wouldn't have been as wealthy as she became from her recordings. But, I do wish she would stop constantly putting her music down because I think the part of the public that only knows her from the far too few hits that are played on oldies radio could be scared off from searching out the rest of her material. If I were her manager, I would be cautioning her not to be making such blanketing damnations about her entire catalog.
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Post by erik on Nov 21, 2012 15:58:36 GMT -5
Trust me, I wish she'd be a bit more understanding as to why we all liked what she did from the late 1960s into the 80s. It has proven to be timeless in a way that so much of what's on the radio today isn't going to be (IMHO).
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 21, 2012 16:04:29 GMT -5
Linda is a perfectionist Slide. They are like that and since it is her life, her material, she must feel those comments are hers to make. Doesn't mean they are true or that we have to like it. She is one of those people who will become more popular once she is dead and buried unable to make those unpopular comments. ha I am glad she is still around to make them.
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 21, 2012 18:20:41 GMT -5
Trust me, I wish she'd be a bit more understanding as to why we all liked what she did from the late 1960s into the 80s. It has proven to be timeless in a way that so much of what's on the radio today isn't going to be (IMHO). I hear you and agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. I would say Linda's dislike of her past recordings is a recent thing were it not for the fact she was dismissive of her recordings in the early 1970s. And while it might be tempting to say she's dismissive of her work because she's a perfectionist, I have to wonder if there were others - managers, record company executives and critics - who were around Linda and perhaps more critical than what she ever was, and she believed what they were saying and likewise became dismissive of her music? As I recall, wasn't one of her managers in the early days so turned off by the idea of Linda wanting to sing country that he tried to dissuade her from singing country altogether? Likewise, Linda's solo albums for Capitol may not have been big sellers because the recordings may not have been what Capitol wanted and they may have told her so because they wanted and expected hits. In Linda's early days, the 45s still dominated the sales with albums almost an afterthought. And except for "Different Drum" and "Long, Long Time," there were no strong standouts that possibly could've made the Top 40.
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 21, 2012 18:28:35 GMT -5
And except for "Different Drum" and "Long, Long Time," there were no strong standouts that possibly could've made the Top 40. This was a strong stand-out to me: (look at the unusual commentary beginning on page 2 of the youtube page) I think her early albums were total gems, hits or not. I wonder if she dated John Byner? Another comedian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byner
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 22, 2012 1:03:25 GMT -5
And except for "Different Drum" and "Long, Long Time," there were no strong standouts that possibly could've made the Top 40. This was a strong stand-out to me: (look at the unusual commentary beginning on page 2 of the youtube page) I think her early albums were total gems, hits or not. I wonder if she dated John Byner? Another comedian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byner I think Linda's version of Dylan's Daddy [Baby] You've Been On My Mind could've been a moderate hit as a single and promoted right but I'm guessing Capitol didn't see the potential in that one. Or maybe because The Long Way Around didn't do all that well on the charts - having a very modest chart run, Capitol blew off any other song from Hand Down Home Grown. It wouldn't have been the first time. As for the possibility of Linda dating John Byner, that thought just makes me shudder for some reason. But, to be honest, I don't remember that much about Byner other than he was the host of the tv show whose title escapes me but from which this video clip came, and that he did comedy bits with most of the musical guest stars. And I think he was an impressionist much like Rich Little and did the usual guest shots on the tv talk shows. But, I'm guessing he was more of a Vegas nightclub act than a regular tv act.
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Post by brendywendy on Nov 28, 2012 16:08:30 GMT -5
Jim Carrey Steve Martin Albert Brooks She did have a propensity for comedians. Add Bill Murray to that list.
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Post by brendywendy on Nov 28, 2012 16:19:36 GMT -5
I knew Kerrey dated Debra Winger, never heard about Linda. I believe this is wrong.I don't think Linda ever dated Bob Kerry. She & Debra shared an ex though in John Boylan. I remember articles on Debra mentioning this at the time & also comparing Debra dating Kerry to Linda dating Brown. I think somehow that got confused.
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Post by brendywendy on Nov 28, 2012 16:42:51 GMT -5
Quote by philly: If memory serves me right, the guy in question is Quentin Davis, who I think was the impresario of the New Orleans Jazz Festival in the late 80s. Yes, thanks, that's the one, "Quint Davis." I hope Linda clears up the facts from the rumors in her book, since she stopped giving details from her personal life decades ago...[/quote I WOULD LIKE HER TO SAY THE TRUE NATURE OF HERRELATIONSHIPS WITH JACKSON BROWNE, GRAM PARSONS, GLENN FREY, LOWELL GEORGE, PETE HAMILL , KEVIN KLINE, REX SMITH, BILL MURRAYAND MICK JAGGER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE MARRIED MAN WAS, THAT SHE WAS SINGING ABOUT IN "LONG LONG TIME". I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF HER WITH GEORGE LUCAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF HER WITH PETE HAMILL. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT WAS J.D. THAT SHE REFERRED TO IN THE PLAYBOY ARTICLE AS THE ONE TIME SHE TOTALLY FELL IN LOVE. AND IF NOT, WHO THAT WAS. BUT I HAVE A FEELING, HER BOOK WILL BE MORE ABOUT HER TUCSON FAMILY ROOTS AND HER MUSICAL MEMORIES, WHERE SHE WILL TOUCH ON SOME OF THE FAMOUS PEOPLE SHE KNEW. BUT I DOUBT IT WILL BE A TRUE EXPOSE OF ALL HER PERSONAL LOVE RELATIONSHIPS. ALTHOUGH, IT WOULD BE A GREAT READ, HA! AND I CAN HOPE...... ;
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Post by erik on Nov 28, 2012 19:37:42 GMT -5
Quote by brendywendy:
Well for one thing, it's not likely that she'd say. For another, she didn't even write the song (Gary White did), not that one could tell from her extremely aching delivery of the song.
I doubt we'll hear any juicy details; and to be honest, so much of that stuff has been fodder for the tabloids over the years that to hear anything else about it would bore me to tears. It's the professional and musical angle, how she interacted with her peers on the pure level of the art she was creating, that would interest me the most.
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 29, 2012 11:11:09 GMT -5
Maybe she will write two or an unedited version that will come out upon her death. ha I think people would like to know the more personal stuff and what gossip was real and what wasn't. Up until the late 80's she was very open about her personal life. Not sure what shut her down after that.
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Post by erik on Nov 29, 2012 12:59:09 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
I can only chalk it up to the press going all tabloid, and being more focused on gossip than her actual body of work. Quite frankly, I'd shut down too if I had them going over every little detail of my life except what matters most.
I for one don't need to hear juicy gossip.
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 29, 2012 14:18:31 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz: I can only chalk it up to the press going all tabloid, and being more focused on gossip than her actual body of work. Quite frankly, I'd shut down too if I had them going over every little detail of my life except what matters most. I for one don't need to hear juicy gossip. The thing here though is the tabloid press has never been about what the celebrity does for a living. They - and we - already know how the celebrity makes their living. But, people have always been fascinated by the celebrity's lifestyle, how they live and who they are seeing, when they die and how they died when that happens. We contribute to that lifestyle and what they do when we buy a ticket to see their movie, watch their tv shows, buy their albums or go to their concerts. They wouldn't have what they have without us. Some try to live their life as privately as they can and out of the glare of the news media's spotlight, but it can be a difficult thing to do. But, the tabloid press wouldn't be what they are if we didn't contribute by buying the tabloid magazines. And we buy because we want to know about the person whose work we are buying in one form or another. We don't know them personally and they don't know us personally, but obviously, I think many of us would like to know the celebrity on a personal basis but that's not possible.
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Post by Partridge on Nov 29, 2012 14:30:57 GMT -5
The tabloid press and showbiz coverage has changed a lot since the 1980s. I used to watch Entertainment Tonight every night. In the old days, you often saw stories about celebrities and singers when they had new music coming out, or a new movie, or had done something notable like a big benefit concert. Of course if a famous person was involved in a scandal, that was legitimate news. But over the years, being a celebrity has become more important than being talented. Think of all your favorite talented celebs and how often you see stories about them in the media. I stopped watching entertainment news altogether during the Michael Jackson scandals and never went back.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2012 14:47:46 GMT -5
we don't even need to purchase the rag mags anymore, it's all over the internet.. regardless if I want to know or not. (hear that kardashians!!!!) I'd love to boycot anything kardashian from my computer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 14:51:31 GMT -5
we don't even need to purchase the rag mags anymore, it's all over the internet.. regardless if I want to know or not. (hear that kardashians!!!!) I'd love to boycot anything kardashian from my computer. If you want there are applets that run in most browsers and will actually block topics or people of your choice.. ain't technology grand!
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 29, 2012 15:40:14 GMT -5
The only two celebrities that ever impressed me were Linda Ronstadt and (for some reason) Pope John Paul when he came to town. I think I just got caught up in that whirlwind when he drove through the desert in his Popemobile. I am not even Catholic and have major problems with that (and most) Christian religions. The real heroes to me are people you rarely hear about that are doing good things without fanfare for the sake of doing good things and while I seemingly put Linda on a pedestal (holdover from my formative years) she seems just like everyone else to me (except much smarter and extremely intuitive). Oddly (or not) I have had dozens and dozens of dreams about her as if we were family so I look at her totally different these days.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2012 16:41:58 GMT -5
Lots of people do kind things w/o any recognition. People who rescue and help animals impress me a lot.
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Post by deadye on May 26, 2014 1:52:23 GMT -5
I had heard from a band member of hers (now deceased) that in the mid 70's Linda was involved with a business exec. and that he was the "love of her life". She was seeing J. Brown during this time but this guy was her real love and they met at different venues where she was performing. He didn't know why but for some reason they never married and as we all know she never married. He said the man's first name was Rick. Does anyone know who this man was and why they never married.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 9:42:52 GMT -5
The only person I have ever heard Linda describe that way was J.D. Souther..
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Post by sliderocker on May 26, 2014 10:11:54 GMT -5
The only person I have ever heard Linda describe that way was J.D. Souther.. Souther is the only man I've ever heard (or read) Linda decsribing as the love of her life. Still, Linda could've been dating someone in the late 70s that she felt the same way about, and as discreet as she could be, the always nosy news media (especially the tabloid press) never got wind of it. Maybe Jerry Brown was just "window dressing" to throw the media off? And maybe that person was responsible for the lyrics Linda wrote for "Try Me Again," although I always assumed Brown had been the party who had inspired the lyrics.
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Post by BRENDYWENDY on May 29, 2014 0:45:08 GMT -5
I REMEMBER READING SOMEWHERE SHE WROTE "TRY ME AGAIN" ABOUT ALBERT BROOKS. THE TIMING SEEMS RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
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Post by ausfan2 on May 29, 2014 20:35:30 GMT -5
The person known as Rick is Richard Norton, who was offered a job doing security on a 1979 U.S. tour with Linda Ronstadt as her personal bodyguard and trainer.
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Post by Dianna on May 29, 2014 20:37:56 GMT -5
The person known as Rick is Richard Norton, who was offered a job doing security on a 1979 U.S. tour with Linda Ronstadt as her personal bodyguard and trainer. ewww!!!!
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Post by sliderocker on May 29, 2014 21:17:00 GMT -5
Somehow, Richard Norton just doesn't look the business exec type and I don't remember hearing anything in the late 70s about the two of them being involved. If he was her bodyguard and personal trainer, they would've been together a lot more than just a few venues. But, assuming he was the "love of her life," maybe one reason it didn't work out was that she would've paid him for his services as a bodyguard and personal trainer, making her his boss. That's never a good arrangement in any relationship as resentment in some form usually rears its ugly head.
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Post by Dianna on May 29, 2014 23:37:30 GMT -5
he doesn't look so bad now..at least.... what was with that 70's porn star look back then ? was not appealing. That said he didn't seem like her type.
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Post by sliderocker on May 30, 2014 0:01:07 GMT -5
I agree on that. He didn't look like her type, then or now but anything's possible, I guess. I couldn't really have seen Linda being the fiance of George Lucas either, but she was for a short time. As for Norton, he still doesn't look like the business executive type either.
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Post by Dianna on May 30, 2014 11:55:04 GMT -5
I agree on that. He didn't look like her type, then or now but anything's possible, I guess. I couldn't really have seen Linda being the fiance of George Lucas either, but she was for a short time. As for Norton, he still doesn't look like the business executive type either. maybe he caught her in a weak moment. even now he looks more like the type to hang around chuck norris.. rom my googling,I believe he does.. and you know what they say birds of a feather ....
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Post by POP80 on May 30, 2014 13:17:00 GMT -5
If that's the same guy, her taste totally changed over the years. I find it hard to believe that this was the love of her life.
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Post by sliderocker on May 30, 2014 14:31:53 GMT -5
maybe he caught her in a weak moment. even now he looks more like the type to hang around chuck norris.. rom my googling,I believe he does.. and you know what they say birds of a feather .... Hangs out with Chuck Norris? That's not surprising, I guess. I thought many of those karate-bodybuilders-bodyguard types in the 70s had huge egos and were looking for a way to break into show business. And what better stepping stone than to make friends with someone who was already a celebrity? Chuck Norris always claimed he helped train Elvis in karate, helped Elvis achieve his eighth degree black belt but I never heard anyone in Elvis's circle mention Elvis working out with Norris. Not even Red West, who like Elvis, was into karate. I would hope that Norton didn't view Linda as a stepping stone on to greater things but that may be one reason why any relationship between the two didn't work out.
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