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Post by moe on Dec 8, 2016 11:02:08 GMT -5
I have to come to the defense of "softly and tenderly". The structure of the song sort of dictates Linda's approach to the last verse. Dolly's verse sets up the situation that "Jesus is watching" then Emmylou has the darker part of "deaths night is coming" and Linda takes it home with "mercy and pardon" culminating in that glorious last note, the intention of the last verse is to invoke a vision of entering the pearly gates and is done by Linda in that spirit. My only squawk is that the backup swells from a virtual acapella treatment for Dolly and Emmylou to being a bit intrusive for Linda. I would have liked it a bit better if the arrangement had the band had backed off a bit and let Linda shine more on her own.
As far as "Are you tired of me?" I loved that from the git. I keep coming back to "In a deep sleep" and the more I listen the better I like it. I'm still curious about the theme of the song but I believe it is pretty deep and dark like a lot of Celtic stuff. I still listen to the record a bunch and haven't got tired of it yet-there is a lot to love from all the ladies there for sure.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 8, 2016 16:50:11 GMT -5
I just wondered why they had Emmy's part then Dolly's part then Emmy had a verse then Linda came in. Did anybody know the Pet Shop Boys did "I've Had Enough" but they titled it "I've Cried For Us"? I never knew that until a good buddy of mine told me. eddiejinnj
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Post by MarkStephen on Dec 9, 2016 1:07:22 GMT -5
I don't believe "I've Had Enough" was ever the actual title of the song. It was written by Kate McGarrigle and appears on Kate and Anna's 1982 album, "Love Over and Over," as "I Cried For Us." It's not the first time Linda has taken liberty with a song title, e.g., "Bandit And A Heartbreaker." There may be another one I can't recall just now. Neil Tennant of Pet Shop Boys does a great job with "I Cried For Us" as does Kate's son Rufus Wainwright.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 9, 2016 1:13:38 GMT -5
I don't believe "I've Had Enough" was ever the actual title of the song. It was written by Kate McGarrigle and appears on Kate and Anna's 1982 album, "Love Over and Over," as "I Cried For Us." It's not the first time Linda has taken liberty with a song title, e.g., "Bandit And A Heartbreaker." There may be another one I can't recall just now. Neil Tennant of Pet Shop Boys does a great job with "I Cried For Us" as does Kate's so Rufus Wainwright.
Baby You've Been On My Mind was another. I think Dylan's title was Mama You've Been On My Mind and Baez called her version Daddy You've Been On My Mind. I think Linda has a knack for besting the originals, even the titles. She could have been a great writer with some effort but her heart wasn't in it.
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 9, 2016 1:53:01 GMT -5
Are You Tired Of Me? is lovely, Such a great vocal. I really like all of disc three and it's wonderful to hear the other discs remastered in all their glory
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Post by Tony on Dec 9, 2016 15:43:57 GMT -5
On the subject of changing the names of songs- Linda changed the song title "All I Need to Know" to "Don't Know Much" ---
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Post by MarkStephen on Dec 9, 2016 22:01:52 GMT -5
Just remembered: early in her career Linda sang Tim Buckley's "Morning Glory" but changed the title to "Hobo." I suppose most title changes don't matter, even if they seem arbitrary, but I think "I Cried For Us" is better and more poignant than "I've Had Enough."
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Post by the Scribe on Apr 1, 2017 2:03:28 GMT -5
Bob Harris on the golden combination of Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris
The veteran DJ talks women in country music – from Nashville's royal trio to the genre's progressive megastar Kacey Musgraves By Sarah Carson Friday 4 November 2016 at 4:23PM .
Thirty years ago, three of the biggest names in American music, Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris, joined to record an album together for the first time. After years of mutual appreciation and thwarted attempts to collaborate, it was in 1987 that the three women finally released the mellifluous, tender, stirring Trio, which triumphantly blended gospel, bluegrass and traditional country, and whose success – including over 4 million sales, critical acclaim, and two Grammy Awards – demonstrated the might of this so-called "sisterhood of song", and the power of women in country music.
Tonight, BBC4 celebrates the strength, achievements and talents of women in country music old and new. Parton, Ronstadt and Harris, along with their peers and music industry experts look back on their time together in a new film, Sisters in Country (10.00pm), followed by a magnificent recording of Nashville's progressive, prodigious megastar Kacey Musgraves at the Royal Albert Hall (11pm).
Veteran broadcaster Bob Harris has spent decades championing the genre in the UK, and after winning awards from the Country Music Association, the Americana Music Association, appearing on stage at the Ryman Auditorium and guest-announcing at the Grand Ole Opry, says he's now better known in Nashville than in the UK. Since presenting the Old Grey Whistle Test in the Seventies, he's got to know all three of the Sisters in Country well, and remembers their collaborations as "magical".
"Trio is a beautiful thing to listen to," he tells me at BBC Western House, where he records both Bob Harris Country (Thursdays, 7pm) and Bob Harris Sunday (Sundays, 2am) on Radio 2. "Back in the Eighties, the mainstream sounds of the era were synthesisers, and everything was very artificial. Trio and its natural 'mountain music' sound really stood out. Anything that was successful in the mid-80s and cut across the grain of other music being made at the time had an impact. I think without feeling that what they were doing with Trio was influential, it was. It broke the mould, and it soared to the top of the Nashville charts."
The artistic backgrounds of the three women were diverse: Dolly was raised on traditional Appalachian music; Emmylou was an established folk star and Linda was a firm fixture on the California rock scene. But, Harris says, “Those three iconic women joining together was a golden combination. Normally only sisters can harmonise like Dolly, Linda and Emmylou do.” He shares his memories of the trio, and why he thinks, decades on, their influences endure.
“You think that Dolly Parton is a country artist, which she is – she’s a Tennessee girl, brought up in the hills, with a dirt-poor family, and country and bluegrass is the blood that runs through her veins. But she transcends. You can put her on a stage anywhere, and she’s a trouper, she knows absolutely how to get an audience on her side. She’s still so fresh, open, and natural, there’s still almost a naivety about her. We saw all of that during her performance at Glastonbury – who would ever think that Dolly Parton and Glastonbury would make such a fabulous combination? But they did, and she totally won the crowd. I don’t know anybody that doesn’t absolutely love Dolly Parton.”
“Linda and I met at the time of Whistle Test, she was having huge hits in America that took her to the top of the charts. She came over to play a concert and I remember backstage was a who’s who of rock stars. Keith Richards turned up, Jackson Browne was there, and it was an amazing night. There weren’t that many women that were really successful in the charts, so Linda was very special to the LA music scene – and the American music community. Her coming over to the UK, and us filming her, was a very big deal. Linda is an articulate voice in looking back at her connections with Dolly and Emmylou especially, and expressing the emotion that they all felt.”
“The first time Emmy and I met was in the mid-Seventies. She came over to the UK to do Whistle Test, we got on great, and she and I have been really good friends ever since. One of the things that characterises Emmylou’s way is her generosity – she is incredibly generous of spirit, and she’s particularly willing to reach out and help young artists. She appears on their albums, supports them on their tours, if there’s somebody new and young that she likes, she steps forward and gets behind them in an amazing way. She's one of the foremost country music artists, whose credibility is unimpeachable, She’s Nashville royalty. I was awarded the Trailblazer Award at the 2011 Americana Music Association Awards, and it was presented to me by Emmylou. It was one of the biggest honours of my entire life.”
Now, there's a new wave of women shaking up country music, because, Harris says, there's a young energy from artists like Kacey Musgraves – whose Royal Albert Hall concert airs tonight – that gives the genre new vitality.
28-year-old Texan Musgraves has won acclaim for combining traditional country musicianship with a decidedly millennial social conscience. Her songs deftly approach topics like homosexuality, recreational drug use and casual sex with disregard for the staunchly conservative Southern Bible Belt that makes up much of country's listeners, and won her two Grammy Awards in 2014 – Best Country Song for Merry Go Round and Best Country Album for her debut Same Trailer Different Park – and a slew of other nominations since for last year’s follow-up, Pageant Material.
"One could talk about Kacey for hours," says Harris. "She's gorgeous, she writes songs that resonate with fans who love her, she reaches outside her genre, even though her music is firmly rooted in traditional country. Her stage sets put her in a glitzy country bar and she wears tassels and boots, but she couldn't be anything other than 2016. She's a perfect access point for country music now – hers is music that's acknowledging and pulling in influences from the past, but looks into the future. We're very fortunate right now to have a new generation of incredible women country stars. There’s Kacey in particular, and Miranda Lambert is the real thing. Ashley Monroe, Brandy Clark, Angaleena Presley… All these women are bringing country music to a new generation of girls who connect with the songs they're writing."
The Complete Trio Collection, by Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt, is on sale now from Rhino. www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-04/bob-harris-on-the-golden-combination-of-dolly-parton-linda-ronstadt-and-emmylou-harrisDOLLY PARTON AND EMMYLOU HARRIS
soundcloud.com/reversalofthemuse/dolly-and-emmylou
We have reached the final episode of Reversal Of The Muse Series One, so we’ve been saving an extra special podcast for last. Earlier this year, Laura travelled over to Nashville Tennessee to speak with two legendary musicians, Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris. While we’re sure they need no introduction, Dolly Parton’s incredible career has spanned nearly five decades, with songs that are ingrained in generations gone by and those still to come. She’s in the elite group of musicians to have received Emmy, Grammy, Tony and Oscar nominations, and in 2011 she was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. Emmylou Harris has built a similarly prosperous career; the twelve-time Grammy winner is marvelled at for her beautiful songwriting and sublime voice.
In this broad and enchanting conversation with two of the greatest feminine creators in music, Dolly and Emmylou reminisce on how they started making music together, which has lead to their latest album ‘The Complete Trio Collection’. The album is feminine creativity at its finest, as joined with Linda Ronstadt, the blend of the three harmonies highlights the unique resonance of the female voice. Dolly’s work has been particularly influential to Laura, as she’s learnt guitar techniques from playing Dolly’s songs. Laura shares that she’s inspired by how Dolly has maintained femininity, whilst being an extremely talented guitar player and songwriter.
www.reversalofthemuse.com/post/151012662967/dolly-parton-and-emmylou-harris-we-have-reached
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Post by fabtastique on Feb 3, 2019 8:34:09 GMT -5
I've been searching through an old hard drive unearthing some tunes I've not heard in a while and I came across a version of Telling Me Lies, solo by Linda - such a shame that a cleaned up version of that didn't make The Complete Trio Collection ....
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Post by eddiejinnj on Feb 3, 2019 8:44:37 GMT -5
Where did you find that, Fab? I would love to hear it. eddiejinfl
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Post by fabtastique on Feb 4, 2019 1:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by eddiejinnj on Feb 4, 2019 8:59:21 GMT -5
I really love it. Very pure vocals. Seems to be done on a slightly higher note scale (if that is correct phrase). Thanks again!!!!! eddiejinfl
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Post by RobGNYC on Feb 4, 2019 12:20:46 GMT -5
Fascinating. Gorgeous vocal. Slightly different phrasing in parts, including last verse, the "you don't know what a man is" line. Also lyric difference from the "Trio" version--"key right to your door" instead of "key back to your door." Linda Thompson's version has "right."
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Post by lawrence on Feb 14, 2019 12:24:14 GMT -5
Despite the disclaimer from the interviewer, I thought that was a wonderful conversation with Dolly and Emmylou.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 8:53:11 GMT -5
Emmylou Harris has enviably a 4 CD box set of rarities, called "Songbird", among them duets with Linda & Trio versions. Does anyone know if those duets & Trio tracks are still exclusive to the set, as Linda's "Box Set" & the complete Trio set have discs with previously (then) unreleased recordings, (there may be a Dolly rarities collection too) ?
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Post by eddiejinnj on Apr 30, 2021 18:19:26 GMT -5
This compilation does include "Palms of Victory" (the first time it being released) which is not on the Complete Trio Collection. I don't know of any way, other than if available as a single track to buy somewhere, how one would obtain that song other than this compilation. eddiejinnj
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Post by rick on Apr 30, 2021 22:42:03 GMT -5
heartbreaker,
I bought this "Songbird" collection when it was released. Obviously, "1917" is on Linda and Emmy's "Western Wall" album. I am happy to have this in my collection. A couple of the tracks are on "The Complete (sic) Trio Collection."
I moved this thread into the one on that topic so you can see what others posted in the past. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 12:34:55 GMT -5
heartbreaker, I bought this "Songbird" collection when it was released. Obviously, "1917" is on Linda and Emmy's "Western Wall" album. I am happy to have this in my collection. A couple of the tracks are on "The Complete (sic) Trio Collection." I moved this thread into the one on that topic so you can see what others posted in the past. Thank you. OK rick. I was thinking more of LR & ELH than the Trio tracks, since Dolly dominates Trio (& that Linda sued her, she must have upset Linda & Emmylou big time). Linda & Emmylou are sublime together, like the McGarrigle sisters were, with Dolly they become more Ms Parton's backing singers. 1917 is my favourite Western Wall song.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 17:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Jan 8, 2022 20:15:45 GMT -5
Quote by heartbreaker:
Yes, the bickering (close to a feud) between Dolly and Linda was pretty hair-raising, and for reasons we all know. The truth of the matter is that Dolly often involved herself in numerous projects sometimes all at once, which was her way, for better or worse; and Linda was just the opposite, often involving herself in a single project for months, if not one to three years on end, again for better or worse. That these differences should have almost led to Trio II getting kyboshed is still kind of shocking; but at least the album did get out.
But even if they wanted to do an actual Trio III, it might have proven to be impossible anyway, partly for the very same reasons it took so long for Trio II to come out, and partly because, by the time they might have found the time or space to do it, Linda was beginning to have serious issues with her voice. It is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 8:20:25 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Emmylou, caught in-between.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 10:15:23 GMT -5
Poll has expired, but my #1
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 9, 2022 11:12:57 GMT -5
I like "Softly and Tenderly" the best of the "new" releases disc Absolutely stunning!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by Mr Kaplansky on Jan 9, 2022 12:59:31 GMT -5
This iz what happened with the Jerry Wexler prosuced album. He completes an album in 1 week! But linda did yield to glyn johns and steve buckingham for the "we ran" and "adieu false heart" albums.
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Post by Tony who forgot to log in on Jan 9, 2022 13:58:00 GMT -5
From the article: Not really true. The album was not pushed back. It was cancelled. Linda took 5 tracks for her solo album Feels Like Home. And why would Dolly want to push the album into the new millennium? She did promote the album in 1999, five or six years too late. In hindsight, I am glad the album got canceled and then resurrected, because if that had not happened, we may never have had Linda's version of The Waiting, or Women Cross the River, or Linda's version of After the Goldrush. And did Linda really sue Dolly over this matter? I know I have read that, but I've never seen it in what I consider a reputable news source, nor have I seen a court and docket number, as I have on other legal matters that involved Linda. I read that Dolly made a financial settlement for effing up the project. "The hell with it, sue me." said Dolly, but did that really happen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 15:44:53 GMT -5
I preferLinda's versions of those songs.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 9, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
I THINK she actually did sue her. I can't recall where I heard Linda actually say it. Now whether they settled out of court or went through mediation in the court I am not sure. Actually, I always kind of thought the title of the McGarrigle song was weird considering the tone, lyrics and style of song. Now a YNG type of song for the title "I've Had Enough" would be more believable. eddiejinnj
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 9:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 10, 2022 11:27:15 GMT -5
That was from 2008. What would be good, hb, is if you can find out the resolution (I can't recall one) of the issue if it can be found. eddiejinnj
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