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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 16:11:55 GMT -5
Yes, I added some new information not previously revealed. And I ain't mad! Just not going to let you get in the last word. May I ask what is your legal authority, other than watching Judy Judy? Are you trained or well-versed in the law? All I did was offer concrete evidence that exists in the real world. You offer a bunch of must have might have scenarios that would be thrown out of any court. To me your best evidence is the testimony of Linda herself. But Linda can contradict herself at times. When it suits her, she can claim to be influenced by Kitty Wells. Then she can turn around and say she was never one to hunger after a Kitty Wells record. Just to throw something else in that is somehow not really relevant. Sliderocker, I don't want to make you mad in any way. We are just having a spirited debate and I want you to know that I consider you a valuable member of this forum. And I thank you for your input through the years. You're really gonna burn me if you turn around and say you are a practicing attorney!
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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 17:08:55 GMT -5
I have what I think is a very relevant question. What possible explanation could there be for young Linda Marie/ Linda Maria to sign her name as Maria Linda Ronstadt in an autograph book way back in 1968? I realize it's not a legal document (okay I'm being a bit of a smartass here) but Give Me A Reason. from The Cincinnati Post, February 16, 2001
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Post by Biff McFly on Mar 14, 2022 18:53:32 GMT -5
Maria Linda Ronstadt is her real name. I doubt that there has been any legal name change. Linda Maria Ronstadt, Linda Marie Ronstadt and Linda M Ronstadt can be and probably are DBAs (Doing Business As), or at least some of them, along with Linda Ronstadt. As far as the press goes, they don't check. They go back and forth with Maria and Marie. And don't forget the all important second "d" in Rondstadt.
In the court case Linda would have to use her real name. With BMI, recording contracts, checking accounts, business dealings/contracts, legal contracts, mortgages, credit accounts, et al; you can use DBAs, or your real name.
It looks like Linda has been operating under a DBA(s) since the Stone Poney days. She was probably told to keep her DBA separate from her real name. It works too. Look how many people think she is Linda Maria/Marie Ronstadt, instead of Maria Linda Ronstadt. This would explain why she answered the question the way she did at the book signing. Basically she was keeping the DBA intact.
These are just some plausible ideas on why we see Linda Maria/Marie/M Ronstadt so predominantly connected with her music career and occasionally Maria Linda Ronstadt will pop up from time to time (usually unexpectedly).
As far as the High School yearbook goes, probably a mistake. My name was misspelled in my Hi Skool yearbook. They spelled it Buff instead of Biff.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 14, 2022 21:32:23 GMT -5
Yes, I added some new information not previously revealed.
Went back and re-read the replies. Missed the new information.
And I ain't mad! Just not going to let you get in the last word. May I ask what is your legal authority, other than watching Judy Judy? Are you trained or well-versed in the law?
Legal authority: does serving as a member of the jury count? In a court of law, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You've presented some solid evidence, I must admit, but it comes down to the evidence. I'm stubborn when it comes to evidence, I have to see it physically for myself. I don't count internet evidence as evidence as we know that can be manipulated. I want to see the court papers, the financial paper records and so forth.
Watching Judge Judy or Judy Judy (lol), no, I don't watch Judge Judy or Judy Judy.
Am I trained or well versed in the law? No, but let me turn the question on you now: what is your legal authority? Are you a Judge Judy aficionado? Are you trained or well versed in law?
The closest I would say I come to the legal community is that one of my cousins is a federal judge, which if you're a lawyer back east, you might come before that cousin.
All I did was offer concrete evidence that exists in the real world. You offer a bunch of must have might have scenarios that would be thrown out of any court.
The court records you posted, I'll give you that as they can be checked. However, it's still possible for the person who enters the information into the court system to get it wrong, is it not? That information was entered by a third party. It's pretty strong evidence, nonetheless. e
Other information, such as the person who claimed to have been Linda's attorney, is no less hearsay because the person can't be questioned as to any information they have about Linda as that would run afoul of the attorney-client privilege. And what could they provide that would not be breaking the attorney-client privilege? Maybe you know the person, but I don't know the person. Does anyone else on the forum know the attorney personally to vouch?
Another person who posted on here, stated they knew Linda personally and Linda personally told them..., but that information is also hearsay. And they didn't stick around to answer any questions where they might could be caught in a lie if they were less than truthful.
To me your best evidence is the testimony of Linda herself. But Linda can contradict herself at times. When it suits her, she can claim to be influenced by Kitty Wells. Then she can turn around and say she was never one to hunger after a Kitty Wells record. Just to throw something else in that is somehow not really relevant.
You've got a point there, Partridge, but we can also flip that around as well and note that if Linda can contradict herself about her musical influences (and lord knows she has done that), if you are saying she is not believable when it comes to her musical influences or the TV shows she can't remember being on, how can you say she is believable claiming she was born Maria Linda? So, in a sense, Linda claiming being influenced one minute by Kitty Wells and the next minute never hungered for one of her records, that contradiction does have relevance because her name for decades was shown as Linda Maria Ronstadt or Linda Marie Ronstadt, and then it starts being shown as Maria Linda Ronstadt.
I am a Linda fan from all the way back to 1967 and it's what I am used to knowing her by. She may be Maria Linda, but I don't know her personally and I don't know the woman who claimed to have been her lawyer personally nor do I know the other person who claimed to have known Linda personally. What I do know is Linda was asked the question at the book signing tour Q&A, and that should've settled the question.
Sliderocker, I don't want to make you mad in any way. We are just having a spirited debate and I want you to know that I consider you a valuable member of this forum. And I thank you for your input through the years. You're really gonna burn me if you turn around and say you are a practicing attorney!
I am not a lawyer. Someone once accused me in the early days of the internet of being a lawyer, and I said "Look, if you're going to insult me, I'm not going to stay here and debate with you!" I was in debate in school. As I have mentioned, I used to write songs and I play guitar. I wrote some songs with Linda in mind. My songwriting days are behind me. These days, I'm trying to write a few novels. But, I love Linda regardless of who she is.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 14, 2022 21:35:20 GMT -5
I have what I think is a very relevant question. What possible explanation could there be for young Linda Marie/ Linda Maria to sign her name as Maria Linda Ronstadt in an autograph book way back in 1968? I realize it's not a legal document (okay I'm being a bit of a smartass here) but Give Me A Reason. Until someone could ask Linda about this (and she probably doesn't remember doing George Clooney's TV show either), I can't even venture a guess as to what her reason would've been.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 22:12:55 GMT -5
Well, the obvious reason would be that when asked to sign your name, you do just that. You sign your name. Can't ask Linda about it. She probably does not remember it at all. If you read the article, Nick himself did not even remember some of his guests.
No legal experience here either but I did work in a courthouse for almost 40 years. Long enough to know that the crooked DA archetype from the soap operas is not far from the truth. They will send you to jail for life even if they know you are innocent because they are there for the win. I got some personal satisfaction recently when one crooked prosecutor I know got disbarred, although unfortunately not for life.
My mentioning of Judge Judy was just to be snarky, much like Judy herself. That woman is dumb as dirt. She always bragged about how smart she was, that on her worst day she was smarter than you on your best day. A favorite question of hers was "Do you think you're smarter than me?" Damn, her bailiff was smarter than her. If she asked me that question, I would have to tell her she knows the law much better than I do but I would challenge her to an IQ test. Of course, I realize she's probably not the hateful bitch she presents as on television and is probably just playing the part for ratings. Which reminds me- I was speaking with a judge in the courthouse about his opinion of Judge Judy and he said the way she berates people would not be allowed in a real court. And I'll be damned, three months later, he was in the local paper being sanctioned for threatening a defendant. I think he threatened to come down off the bench and beat his *ss. So much for those words of wisdom.
Boy did I digress. Where was I?
I guess this lively conversation will die down for a while and be resurrected at some point in the future, perhaps when we purloin a copy of the birth certificate. I already searched newspapers for birth announcements, thinking there might be one since Linda's family was prominent, but I found nothing.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 14, 2022 22:15:50 GMT -5
Maria Linda Ronstadt is her real name. I doubt that there has been any legal name change. Linda Maria Ronstadt, Linda Marie Ronstadt and Linda M Ronstadt can be and probably are DBAs (Doing Business As), or at least some of them, along with Linda Ronstadt. As far as the press goes, they don't check. They go back and forth with Maria and Marie. And don't forget the all important second "d" in Rondstadt.
That's a possibility, Biff, but I doubt Linda would've formed a Chapter S corporation back in the 60s or early 70s as she wasn't a big name performer in those days. And her first manager didn't strike me as being that smart of a manager. I seriously doubt Linda cleared $50,000 a year in her early days, given her low record sales and she wasn't even the main concert attraction on tour. The press doesn't check? That's a generalization, because we don't know how many checked sources and how many didn't bother. As for Rondstadt? Really? That could've been the reporter misspelling Linda's last name, true, yet it also could've been someone who set the type, couldn't it?
In the court case Linda would have to use her real name. With BMI, recording contracts, checking accounts, business dealings/contracts, legal contracts, mortgages, credit accounts, et al; you can use DBAs, or your real name.
It's true Linda would have to use her true name in court cases. Also, everything you mention. The only DBA Linda probably would've had would've been with BMI on her publishing companies Normal Music and Apache Red Music. As far as I can tell, she had no ASCAP affiliations. Her bank accounts didn't disclose her residence but a business office. Nor did her bank checks display her checks as Maria Linda Ronstadt D/B/A Linda M. Ronstadt. Linda could've simply asked that her checks read as Maria L. Ronstadt and who would ever have put 2 and 2 together if they had managed to get copies of her checks in those days?
It looks like Linda has been operating under a DBA(s) since the Stone Poney days. She was probably told to keep her DBA separate from her real name. It works too. Look how many people think she is Linda Maria/Marie Ronstadt, instead of Maria Linda Ronstadt. This would explain why she answered the question the way she did at the book signing. Basically she was keeping the DBA intact.
Again, this is conjecture as I don't think Linda was operating a company since the Stone Poneys days. If the Stone Poneys had been more successful than just the one hit single in 1967, had million selling albums, then yes, forming a Chapter S D/B/A corporation would've made sense. Instead, the Stone Poneys probably made seven cents a single and twenty cents an album, so Different Drum would've earned them $70,000 minimum, which divided three ways, would've been $23,333.33 before the manager commissions and if Capitol stuck Linda and the Stone Poneys with the insidious buybacks or returns on unsold copies and production costs. Then, they might not have made any money at all.
Having a corporation wouldn't save any of the royalties. Remember the group Scandal which had a million selling, The Warrior, and an artist royalty of one dollar per album. By the time Columbia Records stuck them with every charge they could, Scandal was left with around $100,000 instead of a million dollars. And record companies also pushed artists to go out on tour and they attached the earnings from concerts to pay for unsold copies and production costs before the artists could see any of the money from their concerts.
These are just some plausible ideas on why we see Linda Maria/Marie/M Ronstadt so predominantly connected with her music career and occasionally Maria Linda Ronstadt will pop up from time to time (usually unexpectedly).
I still believe Linda's given is Linda Maria, not Maria Linda, but as I was just saying to Partridge, that's because I go back to when Linda was just starting out and I have known her longer as Linda Maria than Maria Linda. Show me a copy of her birth certificate which shows her birth name as Maria Linda Ronstadt or someone from Tucson who knew Linda.
As far as the High School yearbook goes, probably a mistake. My name was misspelled in my Hi Skool yearbook. They spelled it Buff instead of Biff.
Someone probably thought Buff was more macho than Biff. I like Biff though. It's a cool name. And do we only have one high school yearbook on Linda? The one of Linda with blonde hair? What would it say if there was a second yearbook with her name given the same way, Linda Marie?
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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 22:58:23 GMT -5
I'm sure you are correct. I recall an interview with Dolly Parton where she said in her early days (probably extending into the early '70s) her highest income was about $30,000. And she toured regularly and wrote most of her own material. She even had 45-rpm hits by other country artists such as Skeeter Davis. Of course she was probably generating much more income than that but it was going into Porter Wagoner's pockets. Much like Loretta Lynn did not start earning real money until she got the Wilburn Brothers out of her purse.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 23:02:44 GMT -5
Biff, you're not Biff Rose by any chance, are you?
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Post by rick on Mar 14, 2022 23:05:45 GMT -5
I'm sure you are correct. I recall an interview with Dolly Parton where she said in her early days (probably extending into the early '70s) her highest income was about $30,000. And she toured regularly and wrote most of her own material. She even had 45-rpm hits by other country artists such as Skeeter Davis. Of course she was probably generating much more income than that but it was going into Porter Wagoner's pockets. Much like Loretta Lynn did not start earning real money until she got the Wilburn Brothers out of her purse. This probably doesn't belong in this thread, but speaking of Dolly and Porter, Dolly has said that she wrote "I Will Always Love You" about Porter. But I felt that the subtext was that Dolly couldn't wait to get out from that situation and be out on her own. It's funny how such an iconic song (Linda, Dolly, and the "ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay Will Always Love You" version by Whitney Houston) really came from a need to get out away from Porter Wagoner, no relation to Lyle Waggoner.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 14, 2022 23:20:38 GMT -5
It's my fault. I love to veer off-road and visit the side attractions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 8:50:57 GMT -5
Does the US have a central births & deaths record archive as the UK does? If so could Linda's birth certificate be accessed, surely that would answer her name order at birth anyway.
There are certain things that may have influenced Linda choosing to have that as her first name. Linda was probably called "Maria" or "Maria Linda" at her Catholic school, enough to make her want to change given the acrimony she felt/feels about her treatment there.
Secondly, if Linda's family called her "Linda" as first name, it might also be her preference.
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Post by Biff McFly on Mar 15, 2022 12:28:32 GMT -5
No, I'm not Biff Rose.
For years out here in LA, I had heard that her name was actually Maria Linda Ronstadt. The only proof that I have seen though is the court case info that Tony showed followed by the Nick Clooney article.
As far as the DBA thing, I know several musicians back in the 70s who used DBAs, a lot of them who were just club musicians. They did it because they were using a stage name or going by their nickname and it's cheap. It was $10 or $15 for the fee and a $3 notice ad once a week in a newspaper for 3 weeks. That's it. S corporations are a different thing and you are right too expensive for her then. While the bank needs to be notified you are using a DBA for an account the term "DBA" can be left off of the check, i.e. not printed on the check.
As far as the second "d" in Rondstadt. I think it is a mistake that has haunted the entire Ronstadt family as far back as any of them can remember. If it was a one time mistake it could have been a type setting error, but since we see it a lot it's probably a common mistake the Ronstadt family sees all the time. The typesetter just puts in what the reporter spelled. Actually the copy editor should have caught it. That's how it was at every newspaper I worked at.
The Q and A answer? She probably figures it's not anyone's business and just continued the status quo.
Most people assume that Linda is her first name. Reporters can make the same assumption and run with it. It could also be an editorial decision. For example an editor says, "Maria Linda Ronstadt? Everyone knows her as Linda Maria Ronstadt." And then has it changed back so as not to confuse the public. I'm not dissing reporters. I know several reporters. In fact my mom was a reporter and held various editor positions. She covered a very young Dolly Parton and Porter Wagoner. She did a group interview on the set of 'Steel Magnolias' years later with Dolly, Sally Field, Julie Roberts and Shirley Maclaine. She really liked Shirley Maclaine. She even interviewed Johnny Winter. She won several awards. My brother and sisters would put pencil erasers in one of the award cups. Paper clips in another. You know, they were just sitting there might as well use them.
I could be all wrong. Given the court case and the Nick Clooney article, if I was betting the farm I would go with Maria Linda Ronstadt.
I do have to say one thing though, it surprised me that Linda was the smiley face flourish type.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 15, 2022 13:37:59 GMT -5
I was going to make a disparaging remark about Biff Rose but I thought you might be Biff Rose and would not want to insult you. I liked Biff back in the late '60s so in the age of Twitter I started following him. But I had to let him go because he turned out to be an unbearable nutcase. I wonder if he has saned up.
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Post by Biff McFly on Mar 15, 2022 16:08:27 GMT -5
I'm a 'Back To The Future' fan. I thought sticking Biff and McFly together was funny.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 15, 2022 17:18:54 GMT -5
Well, the obvious reason would be that when asked to sign your name, you do just that. You sign your name. Can't ask Linda about it. She probably does not remember it at all. If you read the article, Nick himself did not even remember some of his guests. No legal experience here either but I did work in a courthouse for almost 40 years. Long enough to know that the crooked DA archetype from the soap operas is not far from the truth. They will send you to jail for life even if they know you are innocent because they are there for the win. I got some personal satisfaction recently when one crooked prosecutor I know got disbarred, although unfortunately not for life. My mentioning of Judge Judy was just to be snarky, much like Judy herself. That woman is dumb as dirt. She always bragged about how smart she was, that on her worst day she was smarter than you on your best day. A favorite question of hers was "Do you think you're smarter than me?" Damn, her bailiff was smarter than her. If she asked me that question, I would have to tell her she knows the law much better than I do but I would challenge her to an IQ test. Of course, I realize she's probably not the hateful bitch she presents as on television and is probably just playing the part for ratings. Which reminds me- I was speaking with a judge in the courthouse about his opinion of Judge Judy and he said the way she berates people would not be allowed in a real court. And I'll be damned, three months later, he was in the local paper being sanctioned for threatening a defendant. I think he threatened to come down off the bench and beat his *ss. So much for those words of wisdom. Boy did I digress. Where was I? I guess this lively conversation will die down for a while and be resurrected at some point in the future, perhaps when we purloin a copy of the birth certificate. I already searched newspapers for birth announcements, thinking there might be one since Linda's family was prominent, but I found nothing. I've been trying to purloin a copy but it's very difficult. If you're not a family member... In doing my ancestry, which my ancestry has been traced back to the 1300s, my family is related to a lot of people. A small sized city of about 80,000 from about 1300 different family. That blew me away. My family's theme song might be I Get Around. I don't want to be related to Linda. I don't want to be kissin' cousins. But, we have some common ancestors from the same parts of Europe, so it's a possibility that over the last 700 years, give or take, I may be more of a cousin to Linda than the guy who claims to be a 12th cousin. That's really going a long way back. Elvis Presley is my fourth cousin, which I knew back in 2016 that we were related. I didn't know who the connection was that made the relation. It was our mutual great-great-great grandmother, whose name was provided in Sally Hoedel's book Destined to Die Young.As you have noted, and I agree with you, Linda has made some contradictory statements. All during her career. I suspect she hung around a lot with Michael Nesmith. He told an Australian interviewer in 2019 or 2020 that he told a lot of lies to reporters when it came to the Monkees, which went unchecked (and yes, Biff, my friend, I know, the press doesn't always check claims) and that he did it mostly because the media was giving the Monkees a hard time. I have long suspected Linda is not a spiritual atheist as she has claimed but someone who has quietly returned to the Catholic church. Which might explain the Maria Linda-Linda Maria debate. As Linda gets nearer 80, I'm sure she may be beginning to wonder if there is more waiting after we die and what waits for her after she passes. Does anyone know if Gretchen, Michael or her parents were atheists? Also, if Linda's name had to do with confirmation, taking the name of a saint, was Gretchen named after a saint? I just did a run through of the Catholic saints and there is no St. Gretchen. Gretchen is also known as Suzy, but that doesn't appear to have been her actual middle name, though the Catholic church has three variations of Susann who are saints. And here again, doesn't appear to have been taking the name of a Catholic saint for the first name of a female child. And if Linda's parents were serious about Linda being named after a Catholic saint, why not Gretchen? And, I'm not saying the above is proof but it does make someone wonder. Linda's brothers have corresponding saints in the Catholic church. Gretchen is the only one with no corresponding saint. But, if Gretchen took the name of a saint during her confirmation, I don't think that would have any legal standing as to the name she was given at birth. If you were christened Donald Joseph at birth and during your confirmation, you reversed your name, by law, you are still Donald Joseph. You want your name reversed officially, you have to go to court to have it done. I think if Linda wanted to be known as Maria Linda, she would had to have gone to court if the hospital registered her name as Linda Maria. Likewise, if the hospital registered Linda at birth as Linda Maria and she or her parents chose the name Maria Linda in taking the name of a Catholic saint for confirmation, taking the name has no legal standing as the rule of church is not the rule of law. The name would had to have been given at birth or changed by a court once the name is registered with the state. The church does not have the legal authority to change a person's name.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 18:43:57 GMT -5
I have what I think is a very relevant question. What possible explanation could there be for young Linda Marie/ Linda Maria to sign her name as Maria Linda Ronstadt in an autograph book way back in 1968? I realize it's not a legal document (okay I'm being a bit of a smartass here) but Give Me A Reason. Nick Clooney is still alive at 88. Rosemary's brother (so Linda might remember him) and George's father.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Mar 16, 2022 5:34:34 GMT -5
Like I said, before my mother used her middle name as her first name even on bills and other correspondence. I am not even sure she signed her name "correctly" on the mortgage she had where we lived. I could be wrong on that. I know her checks had her middle name and then an initial for her first name in that order. I mean, yes, as fans we would like to know her given name but to me it is not a big deal maybe because my Mom did it. If the courts put Maria Linda it is probably such. eddiejinfl
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 7:25:15 GMT -5
I think what's important, is what Linda wanted. Her friends like Emmylou call her Linda, good enough!
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Post by PoP80 on Mar 16, 2022 8:41:28 GMT -5
It might be required by the courts to use your legal birth name under these circumstances. Aside from that, I think she was referred to as Linda in school and everywhere else. I believe some of her very close friends call her "Lindy," including Janet Stark.
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Post by MokyWI on Mar 16, 2022 9:23:34 GMT -5
Wow, this legal name debate has got some legs.
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Post by RobGNYC on Mar 16, 2022 10:20:38 GMT -5
It's a long shot and I expect that due to confidentiality they will tell me to get lost, but I sent a message to the Arizona Office of Vital Records asking if they could tell me the name on Linda's birth certificate.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 16, 2022 10:48:20 GMT -5
It's a long shot and I expect that due to confidentiality they will tell me to get lost, but I sent a message to the Arizona Office of Vital Records asking if they could tell me the name on Linda's birth certificate. Bravo, Rob! I was debating the same thing as well. I don't see a problem with the request as I don't see a confidentiality issue. Linda's first and middle names, whether it Linda Maria or Maria Linda are well known, so there is nothing confidential there. I thought about framing it as research, which it certainly would be. I hope they reply to you and then you could let the rest of us know. And I just hope that would settle the matter. It would for me. Best of luck, my friend!
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Post by RobGNYC on Mar 16, 2022 10:55:34 GMT -5
Surprise, here is the (very fast) response just now from the AZ Bureau of Vital Records (I told them that I was in a LR forum that is discussing conflicting versions of her real name): "Thank you for contacting the Bureau of Vital Records. As Arizona is a closed record state, I would not be able to provide information listed on a birth record. I can direct you to our genealogy website (https://www.azdhs.gov/licensing/vital-records/genealogy/index.php) as records for birth from 1947 and prior are available to the public there." I entered "Linda Ronstadt," her birth date, and her mother's maiden name (Copeman) and look what came up: Genealogy Image.pdf (106.03 KB) No "Marie" or "Maria." Not sure where this leaves our discussion but there it is, for what it's worth ("Hey, what's that sound?"). 1947 and prior, just made the cutoff. For anyone who studies astrology, Linda was born at 5:39 pm. Makes me think about life before the Internet. This would have taken months.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 16, 2022 10:57:40 GMT -5
Like I said, before my mother used her middle name as her first name even on bills and other correspondence. I am not even sure she signed her name "correctly" on the mortgage she had where we lived. I could be wrong on that. I know her checks had her middle name and then an initial for her first name in that order. I mean, yes, as fans we would like to know her given name but to me it is not a big deal maybe because my Mom did it. If the courts put Maria Linda it is probably such. eddiejinfl My brother is known by his middle name. I have the same number of siblings as Linda and all of us but my brother are or were known by our first given names. He was the only one known by his middle name. Our parents called him by his middle name and the rest of us by our first names. Why, I don't know. But, he has been involved in some court issues (as the plaintiff) and he uses his first name for that. By the way, the court once got his name wrong and they had to correct the information. So, the idea the courts always have things correct isn't 100% accurate. And no one should trust as 100% accurate what is shown on internet court records, as yes, they can get things wrong there too. On a case I was involved in as a witness, they had my middle name as my last name. Not that I minded, I got the papers nonetheless, but on the internet court records, it was still listed wrongly, as was my brother's information on his suit.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 16, 2022 11:17:02 GMT -5
Surprise, here is the (very fast) response just now from the AZ Bureau of Vital Records: "Thank you for contacting the Bureau of Vital Records. As Arizona is a closed record state, I would not be able to provide information listed on a birth record. I can direct you to our genealogy website (https://www.azdhs.gov/licensing/vital-records/genealogy/index.php) as records for birth from 1947 and prior are available to the public there." I entered "Linda Ronstadt," her birth date, and her mother's maiden name (Copeman) and look what came up: View Attachment No "Marie" or "Maria." Not sure where this leaves our discussion but there it is, for what it's worth ("Hey, what's that sound?"). 1947 and prior, just made the cutoff. For anyone who studies astrology, Linda was born at 5:39 pm. That definitely looks like a copy of Linda's birth certificate to me, Rob, which is kind of odd as the state of Arizona could not disclose that to you but directed you to a genealogy website, which could. Is it possible Linda's parents didn't give any of their kids a middle name? I was trying to think of what Gretchen's actual middle name was. Both Gilbert and Ruth had middle names, and Gilbert has no saintly connection in the Catholic church on either his first or middle name. Ruth's middle name is Mary, but it's not her first name. So, is this where we stand for now? Weird Linda's mom was admitted just an hour earlier and Linda arrived a short time later. But, it looks like Linda was christened Linda at birth but with name not identified as middle or first. And again, if her name was added during her religious confirmation, a court would had to have added the name to make it legal as the church had no legal authority to alter any birth certificate. (Personal note: My GF and I have been thinking of getting married and she has two kids, neither have middle names. I want to adopt them as mine if we get married and I want to give them a middle name in addition to my last name. It can be done but the court has to approve both and she has no objection and she is Catholic. If I don't adopt them, they have to use their father's last name and he bailed on all of them and moved out of country.)
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Post by Biff McFly on Mar 16, 2022 12:36:55 GMT -5
That was a surprise. Typical Linda Ronstadt.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 16, 2022 13:08:43 GMT -5
That was a surprise. Typical Linda Ronstadt. Maybe more typical of her parents. Linda taking the name of a Catholic saint for her confirmation would've taken place when she was 12, from what I remember. And, again, the Catholic church had no legal standing to add the name to her birth certificate. It would've taken a court order to amend the certificate, and that probably would've been easier in the 1950s than it is today, but Linda did say at her Q&A of her book signing tour, that it was Linda Maria Ronstadt, but that it was supposed to have been Maria Linda Ronstadt and a mistake was made. But, only a court could correct or alter the mistake once it was registered with the state. Linda's parents could've gone to court and had the certificate amended or Linda could've had it done when she was an adult. But, as a lapsed Catholic, no longer religious and a spiritual atheist, you have to wonder why would she bother? It would have no meaning to her as to who she is supposed to be now. But, this may be another of her long list of contradictions about her life and career. Again, I suspect she may have returned to the Catholic church and that's why it's important for her that her name to be Maria Linda.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 16, 2022 13:12:31 GMT -5
Well, this settles it. As Dave Edmunds would say, we were both wrong. But there are errors on this birth certificate.
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Post by Partridge on Mar 16, 2022 13:51:33 GMT -5
I recall an interview with Dolly Parton where she said in her early days (probably extending into the early '70s) her highest income was about $30,000. I was last night reading latest issue of ZOOMER Magazine, Dolly Parton on the cover, and it said: Pretty good money at that time for a syndicated show that was on less than 100 stations. I wonder which is more accurate, my recall of 30K or this article at 60K.
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