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Post by PoP80 on Nov 28, 2023 17:46:14 GMT -5
The song was in an episode of the show “The Last of Us.” It seems like Ruby’s Dad probably introduced her to Linda’s music. In any case, I’m glad that she chose that song and also “Blue” from LeeAnn Rimes. Reba has a very strong team and I think Ruby will continue to be a frontrunner.
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Post by erik on Nov 28, 2023 18:58:55 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna: Yes, the show in question was The Last Of Us, this post-apocalyptic series on HBO; the episode that had "Long Long Time" aired at the end of January of this year (below is the link to the thread in question): ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/8632/long-time-lastAs to Ruby's quote about not necessarily being able to connect to the lyrics because of her youth but being able to connect to Linda--I think she solved at least half of the problem, and probably more, by somehow combining Linda's emotional pulse with her own; and as you said Dianna, she probably "gets" Linda in ways that we probably have come to expect from a well-known mega-fan like Trisha, but we're pleasantly surprised to see in someone as young as Ruby is. There just may be some hope in the world.
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Post by Partridge on Nov 29, 2023 3:04:44 GMT -5
I liked when she was singing the song to Reba as a rehearsal but I didn't enjoy the onstage performance. And it's not Ruby's fault, but the song was so abbreviated that I didn't feel that it told a full proper story. Of course since she had less than 2 minutes there was no way to build the song to a proper climax.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2023 3:11:46 GMT -5
As to Ruby's quote about not necessarily being able to connect to the lyrics because of her youth but being able to connect to Linda--I think she solved at least half of the problem, and probably more, by somehow combining Linda's emotional pulse with her own; So Ruby did get picked to go on to the lives beginning next week..This is the first time I've downloaded an app to vote. lol Anyway, there was another young girl around Ruby's age in the competition, sang great (although not my taste) hit all the notes and is very pretty.. She's on John Legends team.. I expected her to go on through to the live performances like Ruby and was shocked when she wasn't picked to advance through. But then I realized something about her performance.. she sang it well and hit all the high notes.. yet I couldn't tell you who or what she was singing about. ? And I contrast that to Ruby's performance of LLT.. even if I did not know the song or the language, I could tell you this girl was hurting, deeply. You can have the most technical and perfect voice but even more important to make an honest & emotional connection to the song lyric and to the listener. I read a lot of comments on Ruby;s LLT and many people were moved to tears... That's how I know she did her job.
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Post by erik on Nov 29, 2023 10:05:26 GMT -5
Quote by Partridge:
True. If Ruby gets a recording contract and decides to do "Long Long Time" on record, then she'll probably do it uncut as Linda had done. Of course, at four and a half minutes long, it may be too rich for country radio, but so what?
Quote by Dianna:
With respect to Ruby, it's a good thing that the voters spoke as well; she deserved to move on. As for the girl you were talking about who was on John Legend's team--I think she tried hard, and probably had more than enough technical polish, and one can't fault her for that. The key, of course, is the honesty factor, as Linda herself said as far back as 1971. You have to be honest and deep-feeling in your singing because, without it, you really have nothing.
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Post by PoP80 on Nov 29, 2023 14:06:03 GMT -5
Dianna, I think you're referring to Kaylee Shimizu who was eliminated on John Legend's team. I believe she's 17 and has an exceptional range, but she didn't connect emotionally with the song.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2023 20:40:43 GMT -5
Dianna, I think you're referring to Kaylee Shimizu who was eliminated on John Legend's team. I believe she's 17 and has an exceptional range, but she didn't connect emotionally with the song. Yeah, I think that was her name.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2023 20:48:57 GMT -5
With respect to Ruby, it's a good thing that the voters spoke as well; she deserved to move on. As for the girl you were talking about who was on John Legend's team--I think she tried hard, and probably had more than enough technical polish, and one can't fault her for that. The key, of course, is the honesty factor, as Linda herself said as far back as 1971. You have to be honest and deep-feeling in your singing because, without it, you really have nothing.[/quote] At that point in the competition, the coaches (not voters) pick the final 3 from each team to go on to the lives. Beginning next week the choosing will be up to the public.. hence, the download of the app. lol Yeah, many were upset about the young girl (Kaylee) getting the boot.. I read all kinds of conspiracy theories. lol
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Post by Dianna on Nov 29, 2023 20:59:44 GMT -5
I liked when she was singing the song to Reba as a rehearsal but I didn't enjoy the onstage performance. And it's not Ruby's fault, but the song was so abbreviated that I didn't feel that it told a full proper story. Of course since she had less than 2 minutes there was no way to build the song to a proper climax. I wish she could have sung the song in it's entirety.. and it did seem shortened, even more so than other performances. I know they have a certain time limit. That said, I'm glad that somebody is at least representing Linda, and in a positive way. There have been a few others on these shows, who I felt, botched a couple of her songs.. "you're no good," comes to mind. At least Ruby didn't change the melody or do something stupid like throw in a thousand notes in 1 word.. lol She made it her own while still honoring Linda's version...
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Post by Dianna on Nov 30, 2023 1:33:52 GMT -5
The other girl I really like is Lila Forde from John's team.. yes, she did make the cut. I guess I gravitate towards a certain style..
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Post by erik on Nov 30, 2023 9:25:12 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
The only thing I'd caution Ruby on with respect to "Long Long Time" is that it probably doesn't work for her to yodel on it, like it does on "Lovesick Blues" or "I Want To Be A Cowgirl's Sweetheart". Other than that, I have no qualms.
I do think Ruby would be astonished as to how Linda actually recorded "Long Long Time", doing it in only two takes, and, according to producer Elliot Mazer, being so exhausted after having gotten it down that she fell asleep in the control room. The song clearly took a lot out of Linda when she recorded it nearly fifty-four years ago (in east Nashville in January 1970), and she was 23 1/2 years old at the time. It may take a lot out of Ruby as well, and she is still 16, though, like Linda in her early period, she sings with a wisdom beyond those years (IMHO).
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Post by Dianna on Nov 30, 2023 18:27:41 GMT -5
The only thing I'd caution Ruby on with respect to "Long Long Time" is that it probably doesn't work for her to yodel on it, like it does on "Lovesick Blues" or "I Want To Be A Cowgirl's Sweetheart". Other than that, I have no qualms. I know what you mean about the yodel... except IMO, the way she sang LLT, it was more of a "cry," than a yodel.. a cry which reminiscent of Linda's cry. I think the "cry," is just "baked in," to Ruby's voice and is part of who she is as a singer.
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Post by erik on Nov 30, 2023 18:44:10 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
On that score, I absolutely agree with you Dianna. I think I was going by what some press reports seem to be implying that the song allowed for a yodel, which I don't know that it does. The elemental cry in Ruby's voice is indeed very close to Linda's.
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Post by Dianna on Nov 30, 2023 19:49:17 GMT -5
Well you know the press.. they're not happy unless they're bellyaching and b*tching. lol
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Post by erik on Nov 30, 2023 23:57:18 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
Well it's as Rick Nelson sang in "Garden Party": "See, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." (LOL)
And in all good seriousness, I do wish Ruby all the best luck going forward in this.
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Post by PoP80 on Dec 1, 2023 11:30:11 GMT -5
I don't see any need or place for yodeling in LLT. Ruby shouldn't be expected to only choose songs that include yodeling. There are many talented singers out there, but not everyone has that "It Factor." Linda had the whole package--extraordinary vocal range, distinctive voice, looks, charming personality, sex appeal, charisma, intelligence, broad knowledge of music, eclectic musical genres, and exceptional taste in choosing material. I could go on and on...
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Post by Dianna on Dec 1, 2023 18:43:55 GMT -5
You have to remember Ruby's age.. 16..Pop, I feel you are describing Linda's vocal range as she grew as a singer and that musicality & intelligence IMO came with age and experience. I don't think Linda could have made a record like "What's New," at 16 or Even at 21 yrs of age (Different Drum era) Linda's voice changed and matured. I saw an old video of Linda where she was in her early 20's and sang a Billie Holiday song at the piano.. (of course she apologized for not sounding like Billie Holiday) it wasn't all that great either and she still sounded very young with a yodel cry/break in her voice.It still sounded folky/country to my ears. Contrast that to her later work such as What's New. Huge difference in the phrasing and control. A richer sound. That comes with age. I wouldn't expect a 16 yr old singer out the gate to have the same knowledge and experience as say a 35 -40 yr old Linda. As far as the yodeling.. I feel with LLT it was more of a cry and break. If you Listen to Linda's version she sings it almost the exact same way.
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Post by MokyWI on Dec 1, 2023 19:24:46 GMT -5
I didn’t hear yodel. I think she did a great job but wish they had not cut it down like they did. Completely messes it up IMO.
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Post by Dianna on Dec 1, 2023 20:13:06 GMT -5
I didn’t hear yodel. I think she did a great job but wish they had not cut it down like they did. Completely messes it up IMO. I don't want Linda Fans to think that I'm looking for A Linda replacement or a clone....that would be impossible obviously. I'm happy when young artists like Ruby are representing Linda, and yes, I feel they both have a similar upper range. As POP said, Linda is very special.. beautiful, talented and Intelligent. That said, who in pop music past or present is as articulate as Linda? Not even a Beatle, alive or dead, IMO. I haven't watched this show in years, same with American Idol and It's rare when a contestant chooses a Linda song. Almost never, and if they do, it's usually horrible and painful or they change it up to where it's unrecognizable.. .... so I get excited when a contestant honors Linda's version. If Ruby win and or makes a record, I'll probably purchase it.. and who knows, I might be the only one.. lol
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Post by erik on Dec 2, 2023 0:51:39 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
As you said Dianna, nobody is quite as articular a singer as Linda; and as Emmylou has said: "There's just no one on the planet who has ever had or will ever have a voice like Linda's." We, of course, can be grateful when someone still early in her life as Ruby, or a seasoned mega-fan like Trisha, can keep Linda's name and music in the spotlight in some form or another, because it seems to be so rare (IMHO).
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Post by Dianna on Dec 2, 2023 3:22:36 GMT -5
We, of course, can be grateful when someone still early in her life as Ruby, or a seasoned mega-fan like Trisha, can keep Linda's name and music in the spotlight in some form or another, because it seems to be so rare (IMHO). Oh Absolutely ..I wish more artists/contestants would give Linda her due props. There's a girl who was on American Idol a few years back.. I can't remember her name?. Kristin or Tristan??.. I've seen a few videos of her videos on youtube only because she's in a Linda Cover band.. So I assumed she was a big Linda Fan.. and I went back to look at the old American Idol shows from her season and she didn't sing any of Linda's songs nor did she mention her. so I thought that was a little weird.. Usually, if a contestant is a big fan, they mention it on the show or on their website or at least cover a song on the show. I'm happy and grateful about Ruby and LLT.. We're not going to get an exact replica of Linda and not everybody can sound or look exactly like Linda or "Tiny Tim," isn't that right, Mr. Partridge? lol
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Post by MokyWI on Dec 2, 2023 6:48:28 GMT -5
I didn’t hear yodel. I think she did a great job but wish they had not cut it down like they did. Completely messes it up IMO. I don't want Linda Fans to think that I'm looking for A Linda replacement or a clone....that would be impossible obviously. I'm happy when young artists like Ruby are representing Linda, and yes, I feel they both have a similar upper range. As POP said, Linda is very special.. beautiful, talented and Intelligent. That said, who in pop music past or present is as articulate as Linda? Not even a Beatle, alive or dead, IMO. I haven't watched this show in years, same with American Idol and It's rare when a contestant chooses a Linda song. Almost never, and if they do, it's usually horrible and painful or they change it up to where it's unrecognizable.. .... so I get excited when a contestant honors Linda's version. If Ruby win and or makes a record, I'll probably purchase it.. and who knows, I might be the only one.. lol I think given the chance to sing or record the full song, I would be pleased. She has that cry in her voice that Linda, Patsy and Trisha have. I hear that already, and I like it.
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Post by erik on Dec 2, 2023 19:41:46 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
Yes, that Idol contestant you're referring to is Tristan McIntosh, whom I believe finished sixth during the show's 2016 season. And while it's true she didn't do any of Linda's material while a contestant, let alone even drop her name, she seems to be making up for that "gap" as part of The Linda Ronstadt Experience.
I have to say it would be quite a big, not to mention pleasant, surprise were Ruby to win The Voice outright. Watch this space.
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Post by Dianna on Dec 2, 2023 21:58:03 GMT -5
contestant you're referring to is Tristan McIntosh, whom I believe finished sixth during the show's 2016 season. And while it's true she didn't do any of Linda's material while a contestant, let alone even drop her name, she seems to be making up for that "gap" as part of The Linda Ronstadt Experience. I have to say it would be quite a big, not to mention pleasant, surprise were Ruby to win The Voice outright. Watch this space. Yes, that's her. I haven't really watched since the year Adam Lambert was on so I don't know off hand what year she was on. As far as Ruby.. I wouldn't underestimate her and I don't think that she is a 1 trick yodeling pony. I was watching some recent videos where she played to a sold out crowd (looked like a family pub) in her home state of Missouri and she sang plenty of classic and newer country songs and she also sang "Creep," by Radiohead (the English Rock band) and "Zombie," by the Irish alternative rock band, the Cranberries.. The late lead singer of the cranberries, Delores O'Riordan had that same similar cry/break in her voice as young Ruby and I felt the song worked well with her.. I also noticed, she's very engaging & friendly with the crowd, not shy at all, told some funny behind the scenes stories from the voice of the awful wardrobe choices she was given (her words ) and seems to be very wise beyond her 16 years.. I don't know if she will win or not.. to be honest, I haven't heard all of the contestants she's up against.. I should go back to find out their names and watch. (I know the ones from Reba's team and another girl from Johns team) but that's it. Fingers crossed.
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Post by erik on Dec 2, 2023 23:51:07 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
All of that did indeed seem to be quite in abundance for Ruby; and it's interesting to see how expansive her repertoire is. If having the Cranberries, Radiohead, Patsy Montana, and Linda Ronstadt in one's wheelhouse doesn't define what "eclecticmania" (to use Linda's own phrase) is, then I don't know what would.
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Post by Dianna on Dec 3, 2023 4:13:15 GMT -5
All of that did indeed seem to be quite in abundance for Ruby; and it's interesting to see how expansive her repertoire is. If having the Cranberries, Radiohead, Patsy Montana, and Linda Ronstadt in one's wheelhouse doesn't define what "eclecticmania" (to use Linda's own phrase) is, then I don't know what would. Speaking of.. along with radiohead and the cranberries' song I mentioned, Ruby once again brought up Linda, then went into LLT, so the small live gathering must have been before last Monday's performance of The Voice, LLT.. She then sang it, this time, in it's entirety.. I'm no expert on the guitar, but her picking sounds great, at least to my ears.. it really stands out when it's just the guitar and her vocals alone.. . .. She then gushed about having front row tickets to her favorite band, Green Day, so I gather she likes the 90's rock bands. I looked up a few of the other contestants that she is up against beginning this monday on the voice.. A couple guys, 1 for sure is a country artist.. reminded me a little of Alan Jackson.. and the other seems to be country or nickelback type rock, a few RnB artists.. I really don't see any stand out,- overly charismatic competition to be worried about.. lol.. although the male country or rock guys do better on these shows so who knows. She also mentioned her blind audition got more views than anybody else this season and more views than last seasons winner(not sure who that person is) so that's good news. lol stay tuned.
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Post by PoP80 on Dec 3, 2023 9:26:42 GMT -5
Last season's winner was Gina Miles from Niall Horan's team. She's 19 years old. I remember liking her, but not that much else about what she sang. Ruby is more unique and memorable in my opinion.
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Post by Dianna on Dec 5, 2023 17:39:46 GMT -5
So I finally got to see all 12 sing. There was another girl, who sang well... Nini Iris. I loved the song choice, Lovesong by the Cure. BUT Why is it??? (and I notice this with a lot pop singers nowadays) The annunciation of certain words in The English language is overly exaggerated and almost sounds foreign? She doesn't do this with her speaking voice.. I heard so. Just a peeve of mine. Ruby.. so my husband really liked her voice (this was the first time he heard her sing) and after the performance, he said, WOW! that said, I didn't care for they way she sang the Reba song, which is the first time I've heard that song. The background singers were too loud and I couldn't hear her falsetto. .I hope if she makes it through, she chooses better songs that show off her chest voice. That said, out of all the contestants, I would only buy Ruby's music.
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Post by erik on Dec 5, 2023 20:00:59 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna re. Word Annunciation
I've noticed this too, and it's more than a little annoying. I don't recall this being the case on too many records in the 1970's, certainly not with Linda (aside from a naturalistic Southwestern "twang" in her voice on her more C&W-slanted songs).
Re. Ruby:
I think Ruby did this song as a nod to her coach, but I agree that the production values were a bit much, particularly in comparison to the sparse acoustic arrangement that "Long Long Time" demanded. We'll see what happens.
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Post by Dianna on Dec 5, 2023 22:59:52 GMT -5
I don't recall this being the case on too many records in the 1970's, certainly not with Linda (aside from a naturalistic Southwestern "twang" in her voice on her more C&W-slanted songs). Speaking of "twang," there is another girl singer on this seasons The Voice with Ruby, "Jordan.".. very twangy and nasal, which for me, is also a huge turn off.. I could not listen to that .. Jennifer Nettles has that same forced twang.. I like Nettles as a person and she has a big voice but twang kills it for me. Some of my favorite singers have somewhat of twang in country songs, but it is, as you said, more of an natural accent and it isn't obnoxious and forced. IMO
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