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Post by rick on Mar 30, 2012 0:30:52 GMT -5
This video was added today. I believe this may have been from Linda's last appearance at the Gibson Amphitheatre in Los Angeles (Universal City). She sounds in good form and the quality of the video is pretty decent for non-pro.
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Post by erik on Mar 30, 2012 8:48:10 GMT -5
That somebody was able to get away with doing this in there is rather astonishing to me. The last time I was there to see Linda, in 2006, there was a "No Cameras" rule, and I think that included video cameras of any kind.
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Post by rick on Mar 30, 2012 18:31:14 GMT -5
That somebody was able to get away with doing this in there is rather astonishing to me. The last time I was there to see Linda, in 2006, there was a "No Cameras" rule, and I think that included video cameras of any kind. Erik, do you remember Linda dressed this way and performing this song when you saw her at the Gibson Amphitheatre in 2006? Yes, it is pretty brazen of people to do this despite how many signs theaters post about "No Cameras!" I went to see a performance at Ravinia outside of Chicago a few summers ago and there was a man sitting next to me with a camera. A lot of the show, the camera was in my space, but I didn't report him as annoying as it was. And then a couple days later, I saw clips of the performance on YouTube from the vantage point of where I was sitting. Am not sure how they are able to do it, but they do. There are websites that offer a lot of bootleg video of concerts and Broadway musicals/plays. That said, it was nice to see Linda sounding so committed to performing this song.
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Post by erik on Mar 30, 2012 18:39:06 GMT -5
She was dressed in a very comfortable black outfit, the one that so many fans here have given her three different shades of holy hell about. It was a traditional mix of the Great American Songbook and her 70s/80s hits, including several of Jimmy Webb's compositions. I just don't see how anyone gets away with this. You'd think that after 9/11 that security would be better at stopping this. But then again, I go to the Hollywood Bowl six times every summer (including this year), and every time there I see someone with a camcorder. Go figure.
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Post by Dianna on Mar 30, 2012 20:11:41 GMT -5
i think camera's and bootlegs are the least of security problems these days.. so much of everything is put up on youtube and music sharing. now its like what's the point.. years before I can understand it being an issue
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Post by philly on Mar 30, 2012 23:28:20 GMT -5
People can just slip out their smartphones to get footage these days, pretty hard to stop that... And this video along with others of her final performances confirms that she was in fine voice at the end. Despite the complaints of one or two bloggers (who, by the way, said they were misled to expect rock 'n roll Linda...yeah, right )that her voice was bad. She was singing those songs as they were meant to be sung. Also John Boylan bragged that Linda kicked ass then and was planning a 2010 tour for her before she packed it in.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 30, 2012 23:31:09 GMT -5
i think camera's and bootlegs are the least of security problems these days.. so much of everything is put up on youtube and music sharing. now its like what's the point.. years before I can understand it being an issue Given what some people have to pay for a bloody concert ticket these days, begrudging a fan for taking a picture seems a very petty thing to do. I've been to a concert or two where I paid more than $60 a piece for tickets and the artist was only on stage for about 45-50 minutes, which included the artist talking on stage. They also had a no cameras rule in effect and security was ever vigilant for violators, threatening them with confiscation of their cameras and destruction of the film if they didn't stop. What's the artist afraid of? An unflattering photo? It ought to be against the law for security to be that rigid and the artist and their management to be that uptight. I guess the artist and their management think the fan is going to offer the photos for sale but seriously, have they ever seen some of the fan pictures? Not all of the fan photos are in high definition nor are they the work of pros. Some are so blurry that you really couldn't identify the artist if you wanted to. Recording video or audio footage is another matter, but here again, I think the issue is how many fans have devious intentions to take what they recorded and offer it for sale? Sure, you can stop them but that's not stopping a professional bootlegger who knows how to get around the security and who is there with the intent that he or she is going to record the concert and then sell it to fans. If I were the artist, I wouldn't be worried by a fan snapping a photo or maybe recording the concert in some way. I'd look at it as they were the ones responsible for what success and wealth I have, and letting them take a photo or recording the show was just a way of giving back. But, sadly, taking photos at concert events seem to be a thing of the past because everything's got to be controlled and there's little justification for it.
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Post by rick on Mar 31, 2012 0:18:34 GMT -5
Slide, $60 is pretty cheap for a concert ticket nowadays. I can remember going to see Linda in the '70s at the Universal Amphitheatre for what was less than $20. And these were decent seats. I'm not a performer. But I have friends who work in the theater and they say that it is very dangerous when you are in a darkened theater to have a flash go off (if someone uses a flash) and a) to be partially blinded momentarily on a dark stage, and b) it also takes them out of their performance. I think that as audience members we have to show performers more respect. As discocerting it is, I can't tell how many times I've gone to see a movie and people are talking non-stop throughout the movie. At least the actors can't hear it. But those of us who have paid $10 or more to see the movie didn't shell out good money to see a movie in a theater on a big screen to have running commentary going on. Back in 1990s, I went to see Linda Ronstadt at the Hollywood Bowl and she was singing standards at this event. My friend and I were sitting in a box and four women were seated in the box next to us, drinking wine and they were hooting and hollering and talking not in a soft whisper but full voice. I paid $500 to see Barbra Streisand in Las Vegas on Dec. 31, 1999, and a man behind me was talking on his cellphone and yelling into it and after turning around a number of times, and I finally asked him to be quiet, he yelled at me to say, "I am conducting business with someone in Chicago!" There are sites like Ecrater and Ioffer that have dozens and doxens of current Broadway shows available for sale on DVD. You can find bootleg concerts. I do think that the artist does have a right to make money off of their performance and for the people who are backing and producing the event to make their money off of it. Yes, ticket prices today are exorbitant. I imagine perhaps there are people who go to concerts and to see plays and musicals and use a camcorder to record them for their own personal use. But from what I see online, this has become a business. Think of all of the bootlegged versions of movies that are sold in subways in New York or on the streets the day after a film premieres. This does hurt people trying to make a living and not just the producers and the studios. On the other hand, being a fan, when Linda releases material such as "Canciones de mi Padre" on VHS and then DVD, I buy it. So far, the HBO concert she did in Los Angeles in 1980 when "Mad Love" was her most recent album has not yet been released. I did find it online. IF and when HBO and/or Linda ever releases it, I will buy it then, too, because I believe if one buys it then the companies will realize there is still a market for her material. IF you haven't seen or heard about this, here is Patti LuPone stopping in the middle of her show-stopping number "Rose's Turn" during the Broadway run of "Gypsy" to chastise someone taking photos of her...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 8:50:29 GMT -5
I have no problem with the no cell phone, video etc rules.. people can spend all day on You Tube and see that stuff if they wish.. . I remember reading about someone at a Pretenders concert holding their cell phone up near the stage to play for their friend. Chrissie Hynde asked for the phone and yelled into it 'too cheap to come to the show, LOSER1"...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 8:51:04 GMT -5
I have no problem with the no cell phone, video etc rules.. people can spend all day on You Tube and see that stuff if they wish.. . I remember reading about someone at a Pretenders concert holding their cell phone up near the stage to play for their friend. Chrissie Hynde asked for the phone and yelled into it 'too cheap to come to the show, LOSER!
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Post by Dianna on Mar 31, 2012 10:19:46 GMT -5
ha ha.. about chrissie.. and I don't blame her.. but geez.. concerts aint cheap these days..and it's a luxory.. maybe the cheap bastard couldn't afford to go.
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Post by Dianna on Mar 31, 2012 10:28:00 GMT -5
and with all the camera phones/cameras . and stuff going online who's gonna purchase a bootleg anyway when people can find it for free online. If you ask me, they charge enough for concert tickets so I don't understand why an artist would be pissed about their photo being taken..I mean how much money can a person make off a Patti LuPone bootleg photo? Just sayin'
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Post by rick on Mar 31, 2012 14:54:04 GMT -5
and with all the camera phones/cameras . and stuff going online who's gonna purchase a bootleg anyway when people can find it for free online. If you ask me, they charge enough for concert tickets so I don't understand why an artist would be pissed about their photo being taken..I mean how much money can a person make off a Patti LuPone bootleg photo? Just sayin' dianna, i don't know how much one can make off of a photo, but i do think it is distracting for the performer when they are in character and performing a number and to see flashes, red lights, etc., all over the theater. And as Erik and I have said, we have been near people with camcorders at concerts/performances. Here is just a quick list of sites that sell bootlegged performances. willsbroadwaybootlegs.webs.com/dvds.htm4theluvofbroadway.blogspot.com/2006/11/broadway-bootlegs.html paperfantasy.weebly.com/concertscabarets.htmlwww.freewebs.com/mirandajrs/ Dianna, you may be right about how much can one make off of a photo of Patti LuPone, but again, I think, for her, it comes down to the distraction. One time I was in New York and Richard Greenberg had a play called "Take Me Out" that I had liked and he had a play called "Three Days of Rain" and the cast was comprised of Paul Rudd, Bradley Cooper and Julia Roberts. Julia Roberts was not the draw for me, but it generated a lot of press that Julia Roberts was doing Broadway and so the play was selling out. Being on vacation in New York, I had been at a museum earlier and had my backpack with me, and, inside of it, my cellphone and my digital camera. I believe in this thread someone talked about the security issue. At the theater for that Sunday matinee, there were burly security guards searching through everyone's belongings. When this security guard combed through my backpack, he was not concerned about my cellphone but about my digital camera. He told me I had to check in the camera. I was worried about getting my digital camera. The security guard was adamant that unless I surrendered my digital camera then I would not be allowed in and they would give me a refund. I should have taken him up on it, but I checked my camera (that I had no interest in using). During the performance, in a quiet moment when Julia Roberts and Paul Rudd were at the front of the stage, a cell phone started ringing in the theater. The two actors paused and waited for it to stop. My read on this is that Julia Roberts is now an actress of "a certain age" and photos of Julia Roberts do probably command a price at places like TMZ and the tabloids. And she didn't want an unauthorized and perhaps an undoctored photo of herself to be made public. What bothered me is that if they were going to such great lengths to confiscate cameras, why not also take cell phones since people can a) take photos with their cellphones, and b) cellphones can ring and interrupt a performance? To me, they were not concerned about cellphones ringing and disrupting the concentration, forcing the actors to have to pause and wait out the ringtone. I've never been to a concert or play before or since where the theater went to those lengths to literally take away a specific device, such as a camera, but not caring if people still had cellphones in the theater.
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Post by Dianna on Mar 31, 2012 15:06:34 GMT -5
Rick, I can totally understand a cellphone. Even in the classroom cellphones are prohibited, because it distracts. Or in the movie theatre or a play.. it's just considerate and some people forget to turn theirs off. The camera and lights to me are not such a big thing in my opinion but I'm not up on that stage it would seem there are a lot of lights up there anyway. so it would hard to tell.. As far as somebody using a camcorder and blocking my view of the concert.. I would be up front and tell that person to please M -O-V-E. like those jerks in the movie theatre who kick the back of your seats.. I usually tell them to stop and that usually works. And with the bootlegs, it really makes no sense unless one is not privy to the computer, most concerts that I wish'd to go to I can most always find on youtube even Linda's..
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Post by philly on Mar 31, 2012 16:06:59 GMT -5
Lady Gaga endorses video sunglasses she invented for all your surreptitious recording needs ;D LAS VEGAS (01/06/2011) -- Lady Gaga, who serves as Polaroid's creative director, unveiled three new imaging products on Thursday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. "You can come to one of my shows and wear them"btw, no way she invented "video sunglasses", they've been around for decades
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Post by erik on Mar 31, 2012 17:10:07 GMT -5
Quote by philly on 3/30/13 @ 9:28 PM: Sounds like the same thing that was said about Linda's performance in Boston in 1988 that got such invective from the fans. Somebody wasn't doing their homework (IHMO).
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 1, 2012 11:03:55 GMT -5
Slide, $60 is pretty cheap for a concert ticket nowadays. I can remember going to see Linda in the '70s at the Universal Amphitheatre for what was less than $20. And these were decent seats. I'm not a performer. But I have friends who work in the theater and they say that it is very dangerous when you are in a darkened theater to have a flash go off (if someone uses a flash) and a) to be partially blinded momentarily on a dark stage, and b) it also takes them out of their performance. I think that as audience members we have to show performers more respect. As discocerting it is, I can't tell how many times I've gone to see a movie and people are talking non-stop throughout the movie. At least the actors can't hear it. But those of us who have paid $10 or more to see the movie didn't shell out good money to see a movie in a theater on a big screen to have running commentary going on. Back in 1990s, I went to see Linda Ronstadt at the Hollywood Bowl and she was singing standards at this event. My friend and I were sitting in a box and four women were seated in the box next to us, drinking wine and they were hooting and hollering and talking not in a soft whisper but full voice. I paid $500 to see Barbra Streisand in Las Vegas on Dec. 31, 1999, and a man behind me was talking on his cellphone and yelling into it and after turning around a number of times, and I finally asked him to be quiet, he yelled at me to say, "I am conducting business with someone in Chicago!" There are sites like Ecrater and Ioffer that have dozens and doxens of current Broadway shows available for sale on DVD. You can find bootleg concerts. I do think that the artist does have a right to make money off of their performance and for the people who are backing and producing the event to make their money off of it. Yes, ticket prices today are exorbitant. I imagine perhaps there are people who go to concerts and to see plays and musicals and use a camcorder to record them for their own personal use. But from what I see online, this has become a business. Think of all of the bootlegged versions of movies that are sold in subways in New York or on the streets the day after a film premieres. This does hurt people trying to make a living and not just the producers and the studios. On the other hand, being a fan, when Linda releases material such as "Canciones de mi Padre" on VHS and then DVD, I buy it. So far, the HBO concert she did in Los Angeles in 1980 when "Mad Love" was her most recent album has not yet been released. I did find it online. IF and when HBO and/or Linda ever releases it, I will buy it then, too, because I believe if one buys it then the companies will realize there is still a market for her material. IF you haven't seen or heard about this, here is Patti LuPone stopping in the middle of her show-stopping number "Rose's Turn" during the Broadway run of "Gypsy" to chastise someone taking photos of her... No, sixty dollars isn't a bad price for a concert ticket these days but the price of the tickets may depend on the area in which you live, how much the ticket agency wants to charge, the artist and their management or all of the above. You may pay $500 in L.A. for the same concert that someone in Little Rock would pay $100 to see and hear. Quite frankly, no matter what the ticket cost is, it's becoming a very exorbitant affair. Someone paying $500 a month in one area could be someone else's house payment in another area, whereas a $100 ticket could go for food or one of the lesser bills a person owes to a company. But, my main gripe was more about the amount of time an artist spends on stage in relation to the amount of money spent on the tickets by the fans. One of the artists whose $60 concert I attended that lasted about forty-five minutes, included about five minutes of that time talking to the audience. The artist in question only managed about ten songs before the show came to an end. Of course, the thing is, the concert took place at a tribal casino but still, I've known of other acts who have appeared at the tribal casinos who were on stage for over 90 minutes for the same amount of money. Sure, some of the artists may not like appearing at some rinky dink casino but it's still their choice to do so and they're in a setting in which they may be closer to their fans than what they would be in a convention center or concert hall or theater. With regards to showing performers more respect, I can agree with you about people talking during the course of the concert or filming the concert with their cellphone or using a camcorder. It's a distraction but is the artist more distracted by that than the fans around the people who are talking or using the cellphone to capture part of the concert? (Camcorders may be more easily concealed and not as noticeable.) I can also understand a performer's issue about being blinded momentarily when someone taking a photo with a camera with a flash, especially when it's several thousand at once all going off. But, some performers don't have a problem with photos being taken - Elvis Presley had eye problems (including glaucoma) yet he never minded the fans taking photos of him when he was on stage. His view was that the fans were responsible for his success so photos wasn't that much of an inconveinence. Our lady Linda, on the other hand, did have an issue with people snapping photos. I recall a story reported on the radio in the late 70s that she had asked people to only take photos during one song of her set ("Silver Threads and Golden Needles") but not to take photos during any other time. One guy wasn't having any of that and he just kept snapping away, one photo after the other. The guy ticked her off big time and she threw her tambourine at the guy. She missed him but the tambourine ended up hitting another person, giving that person a minor cut from one of the tambourine's little cymbals. Luckily, nothing came of the incident. The person hit didn't press charges or file a lawsuit. I seriously doubt a performer these days would be that fortunate. But, if I were a performer, I'd be less worried about a fan taking a photo than an overzealous security person who overreacted in the performance of his or her duties. Security personnel are not cops and don't really have the legal authority to use heavy handed tactics with people taking photos. If you're a private security person working for the performer, you're putting the performer at risk for lawsuits if you go overboard. If you're security for the city arena or hall, you know your authority doesn't include the use of excessive force over something trivial. You're putting the city and yourself at risk for lawsuits, as well as putting yourself at risk for arrest. The city won't protect you if you use excessive force for a minor infraction. Of course, many cities use off duty policement these days for security at sporting and concert events and they do have the authority, even while off duty but still, the ones I know have never had to resort to using excessive force. It's a hassle for them too and they know they could lose their jobs if it was decided their actions were not justified.
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Post by Dianna on Apr 1, 2012 18:00:17 GMT -5
and she threw her tambourine at the guy. She missed him but the tambourine ended up hitting another person, giving that person a minor cut from one of the tambourine's little cymbals.. That was funny. Of course, not what happened to the other person. Right, with so many law suites something like that would not happen today.
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Post by erik on Apr 1, 2012 19:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by Dianna on Apr 1, 2012 20:56:48 GMT -5
Ah , it sounds like she had a bit of a temper back then.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 2, 2012 1:39:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, Eric. That was the incident although my memory alays remembered it as around 1976 or 1977. Sad that some of the male fans scared her but it's understandable, given the superpsycho fans who would come along later and try to kill a president or even kill the celebrity.
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Post by erik on Apr 2, 2012 8:51:12 GMT -5
When it comes to Linda, these superpsycho fans are very few and far between, though I do understand how it could rattle somebody like her, given her being notoriously shy onstage. I always had the feeling that her time in performing in nightclubs and bars attracted the rowdier types that then followed her into the larger concert venues from the mid-70s onward.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 2, 2012 16:23:10 GMT -5
When it comes to Linda, these superpsycho fans are very few and far between, though I do understand how it could rattle somebody like her, given her being notoriously shy onstage. I always had the feeling that her time in performing in nightclubs and bars attracted the rowdier types that then followed her into the larger concert venues from the mid-70s onward. Luckily, few and far between is the case, but I still got the impression from reading the Rolling Stone article that she didn't like meeting the fans, and that it wasn't always because the fans were the rowdy kind of fan. More like she didn't like fans making a big deal about her. Still, I have to wonder what her reaction would've been if a fan's reaction on meeting her had been 'ho hum, nice to meet you?' Would she have been disappointed by such a reaction? I know of other performers who didn't mind meeting with their fans and even becoming friends with some of them (and in a few rare even examples, marrying the fan) but it seemed more like Linda preferred to keep her distance. Of course, that was Linda circa 1975 and no doubt she changed over the years but some things didn't seem to change. I noticed that even back then she had a dislike of her music. She criticized her singing on "Silk Purse," which I thought she was just off base on altogether. Some of the songs sounded flat but it wasn't because of Linda's singing nor the musicians's playing ncessarily. More the way the album was mixed. A lot of Capitol's albums had that poorly mixed sound. Might help if on some future reissue, they give it a remix and remaster job although Linda would probably still dislike it.
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Post by erik on Apr 2, 2012 21:21:39 GMT -5
Linda has always been a hard customer to please when it comes to her own stuff; she always strives for perfection and, at least to her ears, it never seems to happen. She always puts the blame for her failures squarely on herself, and spreads the credit around when she succeeds. That's just how she is.
Even more, she has never cared much for the sound of her voice voice, in no small part, I believe, to having to listen to it in playbacks. She always seems to hear various imperfections in her tone and her phrasing, or she claims to sound too nasally (which seems to happen more when she is doing C&W material). It's a very self-conscious thing, and I can see why she'd feel that way, though, as we know, there are four generations worth of her fellow female thespians who would do everything short of homicide to have her vocal power and projection.
As for her reaction to fans--well, she has her reasons for feeling the way she does. Stardom/celebrity/fame can really be distorting; and when it came onto her in one big burst in 1975, after eight years of trying, she really didn't know how to handle the sudden adulation at first. She has often expressed dismay that fans would shout for something like "Heat Wave" when she does a ballad like "Heart Like A Wheel', which is understandable, though, again, those are a mere handful out of the thousands of the rest of us, who love the way she goes between ballads and rockers without missing a step. But she doesn't take the stardom so seriously that she loses her head in it; she has used it very wisely in her time.
Quote by dianna re. Linda's 1975 tambourine incident in Bakersfield:
And even more so in '71, when she punched out a drunk at the Troubadour who wouldn't stop yammering when Jackson Browne performed there once.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 2, 2012 23:02:07 GMT -5
Linda has always been a hard customer to please when it comes to her own stuff; she always strives for perfection and, at least to her ears, it never seems to happen. She always puts the blame for her failures squarely on herself, and spreads the credit around when she succeeds. That's just how she is. Even more, she has never cared much for the sound of her voice voice, in no small part, I believe, to having to listen to it in playbacks. She always seems to hear various imperfections in her tone and her phrasing, or she claims to sound too nasally (which seems to happen more when she is doing C&W material). It's a very self-conscious thing, and I can see why she'd feel that way, though, as we know, there are four generations worth of her fellow female thespians who would do everything short of homicide to have her vocal power and projection. As for her reaction to fans--well, she has her reasons for feeling the way she does. Stardom/celebrity/fame can really be distorting; and when it came onto her in one big burst in 1975, after eight years of trying, she really didn't know how to handle the sudden adulation at first. She has often expressed dismay that fans would shout for something like "Heat Wave" when she does a ballad like "Heart Like A Wheel', which is understandable, though, again, those are a mere handful out of the thousands of the rest of us, who love the way she goes between ballads and rockers without missing a step. But she doesn't take the stardom so seriously that she loses her head in it; she has used it very wisely in her time. Quote by dianna re. Linda's 1975 tambourine incident in Bakersfield: And even more so in '71, when she punched out a drunk at the Troubadour who wouldn't stop yammering when Jackson Browne performed there once. I can see where she might be dissatisfied with her voice when listening to playbacks of the songs in the studio, but when she did that, was she listening to the finished mixes, raw mixes or just a plain unmixed state? In the studio, of course, the recording engineer can bring up any part of the recording, from just the lead vocal tracks to the tracks for the various musical instruments. I have to wonder if Linda ever heard her albums as they were released? Or was she like quite a few performers (including Elvis) who never played or rarely played their own recordings? Outside of the country genre, she didn't really sound all that nasally on her recordings, and not even on some of her country recordings. I remember listening a few weeks ago to a snippet of George Harrison singing "Here Comes the Sun," a segment in which his son Dhani and Beatles producer George Martin were listening not only to that but to an electric guitar solo that wasn't used in the final mix of the song. Without the music, George's voice sounded shaky yet with the music backing his voice, someone listening to the song would never know it was shaky. The electric guitar solo (which the story touted as a "new piece of undiscovered, unreleased music from Harrison") was rather ordinary and would've detracted from what I consider to be one of George's finest songs. Maybe Linda heard her songs and her voice in a similar fashion but never what was released? Linda's dismay over certain fans yelling out for something like "Heat Wave" when she was performing or about to perform "Heart Like a Wheel" is an interesting reaction. Fans yelling for favorite songs at concerts is something I think every artist expects to encounter at their concerts. Some of Elvis's fans would yell for songs from his 1960s movies, for which he would usually good naturedly laugh the suggestion off and tell the person(s) suggesting the song that they hadn't rehearsed the song. Occasionally, he would throw in a 60s movie song (like "Wooden Heart" or "Return to Sender") but any time he did, it seemed obvious he wasn't into the song. Linda had to have known her fans all had their favorite songs that they hoped to hear her perform in concert. Course, many of the fans wanted to hear the hits and probably would've heard "Heat Wave" at some point during the show, as long as it was part of the set list. Linda punching out a drunk at the Troubador when Jackson Browne performed there in '71. I would love to have seen that, though I never was much of a Jackson Browne fan. I'm surprised though that it got to the point. If someone was being that loud, they should've gotten the boot long before Linda punched the person out. Wonder if that person (if they're still living) remembers getting punched out by Linda?
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Post by Robert Morse on Apr 3, 2012 8:10:08 GMT -5
Interesting thread....First we all need to remember that recording and video taping are illegal. Their are rights associated with performances etc and bootlegging is illegal.
Now, aside from that, is it also just RUDE. I think in a concert situation people have more patience with cameras etc because, let's face it, in a hockey arena, a camera flash is the least of the distraction.
However, when we move to a Broadway theater, it is a different story. When I pay $125+ for a Broadway show I want to be able to go to the theater and be immersed in the show. I happen to be fortunate to go to many Broadway shows and I can tell you that the behavior of audiences continues to get worse. When did it became acceptable to sit barefoot and eat your fried chicken in during the show I will never know! If you need to text or talk on your cell - save yourself the $125+ and stay home. You can text and I will not be distracted. As society as a whole continues to become more "me" focused people have less and less concern for how their behavior impacts others.
As for Patti LuPone I think she probably just had enough of the bad behavior. Patti is a professional. (having seen her in Gypsy multiple times I can easily say that her performance as Rose was easily the finest I have ever seen on Broadway.) I am sure this is distracting to her and I am sure she knows it is distracting to others in the audience. As she said to the offender "who do you think you are?" - perhaps that is an appropriate question for anyone who engages in this rude behavior.
One of my favorite Broadway actors is Julia Murney (Great voice by the way) who did a stint in Wicked. She jokes about the bootleggers not being smart enough to cover the red power light on the camera. Perhaps they are just not the brightest bulbs in the pack!
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 3, 2012 11:09:53 GMT -5
Interesting thread....First we all need to remember that recording and video taping are illegal. Their are rights associated with performances etc and bootlegging is illegal. Now, aside from that, is it also just RUDE. I think in a concert situation people have more patience with cameras etc because, let's face it, in a hockey arena, a camera flash is the least of the distraction. On the legality of recording and video taping concerts, it being illegal to do so may be totally true in some cities and states but not in other cities or states. What goes in Los Angeles and/or California may not be applicable to what goes in Detroit and/or Michigan. Most cities have ordinances against recording and videotaping but enforcement is another matter altogether. If the police were to confiscate every device being used to record or videotape a concert, that would very likely result in a bigger nusiance for the artist on stage and the audience members not taping the artist. It's less of a wink-wink affair (knowing what's going on but not doing anything about it) and more of not doing anything to create a distraction. States may declare the recording and/or videotaping of concerts illegal but here again, most states do not have any enforcement in place to stop it. With regards to the federal government, I would think the actual shows have no actual copyright status, i.e., that is, they are not registered with the US copyright office. The songs themselves may be copyrighted but if the performer or group didn't have a hand in the writing and/or publishing of the songs and didn't record their concerts with a view of possibly releasing them at some point in the future, they have no copyright status. They'd have to record every show and then copyright all of those shows but like a lot of other things associated with the government, copyrighting something isn't a cheap proposition, unless you do the poor man's copyright (put it in an envelope or box, mail it to yourself, get it stamped but don't open it). Also, I think if an artist or management or some law enforcemnt agency were to make a case against someone taping a concert in some way, they would have to prove the person taping doing so was doing it with the intention that they were going to produce bootleg audio or video recordings for resale, and not just recording the concert for their own personal enjoyment later. Recall that Hollywood for years tried to make it illegal for people to own video tape recorders and video tapes in the belief people would videotape their movies and then offer them for sale. Didn't happen as much as they claim. Then, they wanted a royalty on every blank video tape as a condition for people to be able to buy them. They didn't get that either. The federal government took the view that what people recorded in their own homes for their own personal enjoyment with no intention of producing and selling more copies wasn't bootlegging. Recording devices may be illegal at concerts (if not place there by the artist and/or their management) but the same rule would apply: the person or law enforcement agency making the complaint would have to prove the person recording was doing so with the intent of bootlegging the performance.
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Post by erik on Apr 3, 2012 12:35:03 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker:
Linda is by her own admission a ballad singer first and foremost and has often said she only ever threw in uptempo numbers because being in nightclubs and then (those godawful) coliseums dictated it. The thing is, though (and this may sound like heresy to some), if she only ever did ballads 100% of the time instead of the roughly 60-40 mix in favor of ballads, I don't think she'd have ever been very successful, or even exciting. As I've said, I feel that it's her ability to go back and forth between ballads and rockers that has made her recording and concert career such a great one. Both tempos give her the ability to do dramatic things onstage while still being herself, which is what any fan really wants (IMHO).
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Post by Robert Morse on Apr 3, 2012 14:42:59 GMT -5
I guess it's kind of like saying there are not enough police resources to prevent all bank robberies - so it is ok to do it if you can get away with it.
not to mention that it is RUDE!!!
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Post by Dianna on Apr 3, 2012 17:05:04 GMT -5
I guess it's kind of like saying there are not enough police resources to prevent all bank robberies - so it is ok to do it if you can get away with it. not to mention that it is RUDE!!! well, yes, it is rude.. I guess we have to look at it from the artists prospective and our own protecting our own pesonal belongings or like a bank does.. I remember when I was a kid I would record the top 40 from my the radio to my tape recorder, it was for my own personal use.. its basically the same thing so you can't control that.. copying is copying but like slide said you can't weed out the bad intensions from the good.. It's up to the venue or the artist/management to handle their property..and if they choose to be more lenient with concert goers. Everyone knows if you attempt to knock off a bank, it's because you want the money to spend it.. and if you get caught you're gonna suffer pretty badly, that's why most people won't do it.lol..
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