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Post by vikingfan on Jul 24, 2017 14:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by markv on Jul 24, 2017 15:15:17 GMT -5
Should actually be much higher.
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Post by PoP80 on Jul 24, 2017 15:57:41 GMT -5
Agreed--53 out of 150 ain't too shabby...but it's #1 on my A-list. That album changed my life!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 16:10:56 GMT -5
Linda's album aside, it is a horrible, horrible list. Fanny, Britney Spears, and the Carpenters are named, and Billie Holiday, Dinah Washington, and Judy Collins are not... How much more do you need to know. I expected more from NPR; this is Rolling Stone level shlock...
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 24, 2017 18:04:20 GMT -5
Linda's album aside, it is a horrible, horrible list. Fanny, Britney Spears, and the Carpenters are named, and Billie Holiday, Dinah Washington, and Judy Collins are not... How much more do you need to know. I expected more from NPR; this is Rolling Stone level shlock...
I am a big fan of the Carpenters. They should be right up there with at least one album. I especially like the albums A Song For You and Carpenters. Linda and the Carpenters got me through college.
Eva Cassidy should have been on this list. And as usual there are too many Aretha Franklin albums all rated too high. I never understood that. These people seem to have soul stuck in their craws and give it way too much credibility imo.
Not surprised by NPR's list. Linda wasn't even mentioned on their Greatest Female Vocalist list. I even sent my own nomination in for Linda naming her Down So Low Live performance the one to be used. No luck whatsoever.
I hate to say it but Country Music does not get the respect it deserves. While there are some Country artists here it seems to me they include them as tokens to keep criticism down and usually roll heavily on soul/race or soul influenced music. (including "over-souled" music by non-Black artists). Too bad that benefit doesn't translate into everyday life outside of music. I have often wondered why that is especially when another form of race music, Jazz is dying out.
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Post by erik on Jul 24, 2017 18:08:28 GMT -5
Having Britney Spears (Britney Spears???!!!) on an NPR album list, given how dingbatty and right-wingy she is, is indeed the ultimate head-scratcher for sure.
Still, given that Rolling Stone's best album lists, both overall and for womenfolk, didn't even include Heart Like A Wheel at all the last times I looked, it's nice to see it here.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 24, 2017 18:34:41 GMT -5
Of all the reasons NPR could have used to maybe not include her (Ms. Spears) on the list. She does not seem and this is my opinion to have the natural vocal talent to be on the list vs the other criteria listed. Simple Dreams should have been there. The biggest selling solo artist album of 1977. Both critically and commercially successful in Pop and Country. It really sealed the deal on what was California Country-rock. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Jul 24, 2017 21:11:59 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
It is true that country music didn't get a whole lot of love from NPR here. But if you were to see the state of that genre insofar as it relates to the womenfolk in this day and age, you would be extremely hard-pressed to say that it even comes close to being deserving of even just a mere a smidgen of that love or respect. Of all the female artists there are at this present time in country music, at least when it comes to radio airplay, there's Carrie Underwood; there's Miranda Lambert; and, for all intents and purposes, that's it. Two women. The genre is still being dominated by this misogynistic s**t called "bro country", whereby most women are treated as f***ing hood ornaments on some young country male hunk's F-150 pickup truck.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 25, 2017 8:04:02 GMT -5
My response has morphed into whether Country music is well represented in the list. My whole intent was to give an my opinion re: how NPR should not pick an artist being discussed. Basically, it is should be based on the person's artistry. As far as country on the list, they did include Reba, Tammy, Dolly, Loretta and Dusty's "Memphis" album. My only basic issue with the list is including FM. Rumors is not an album by a woman artist. Neither is the B-52's album. Women made noteworthy artistry in these albums but in this day of a million lists, why not stick to the topic of the list. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Jul 25, 2017 8:48:14 GMT -5
All good and fine about Reba, Tammy, Dolly, and Loretta, but Dusty In Memphis is an R&B/pop album and not a country one.
As to Fleetwood Mac and the B-52’s being included—yes, I think they top-loaded on those groups because of their prominent female members, which I believe to be a touch deceptive.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 25, 2017 10:48:23 GMT -5
Ann Powers explains herself in this interview heard this morning:
New Canon: In Pop Music, Women Belong At The Center Of The Story
July 24, 2017·5:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
Ann Powers
www.npr.org/2017/07/24/538601651/a-new-canon-in-pop-music-women-belong-at-the-center-of-the-story
A few years ago, my friend Jill Sternheimer and I started a conversation one night while driving around the streets of New Orleans. Both of us are music nerds, and we regularly attend the kinds of musical retrospectives that have become common in this age of historical exploration via tribute shows and historical playlists. Jill, in fact, often organizes such shows at Lincoln Center Out of Doors, where she is the director of public programs. I sometimes write about them, and often ponder how music history's being recorded and revised in the digital age. Why, we wondered, was the importance of women so often recognized as a trend instead of a source of lasting impact? We came to a conclusion that, in 2017, will likely strike no one as a surprise: that the general history of popular music is told through the great works of men, and that without a serious revision of the canon, women will always remain on the margins.
podcast: ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2017/07/20170725_me_a_new_canon_in_pop_music_women_belong_at_the_center_of_the_story.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1039&aggIds=538009815&d=317&p=3&story=538601651&t=progseg&e=539182488&seg=8&siteplayer=true&dl=1
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Post by alanfgee on Jul 25, 2017 13:04:50 GMT -5
Just waded through this list - half of the artists I've never heard of (says a lot about my musical tastes!), an awful lot I wouldn't have in the house (says even more about my taste).
Good to see Dolly, Linda, Alsion Krauss and even Shania Twain and Emmylou (even if it is possible her least country album) and definitely great to see Aretha Franklin well and highly represented -so my taste may not be quite as bad as all that!
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Post by alanfgee on Jul 25, 2017 13:05:44 GMT -5
Or even Alison Krauss!
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Post by Guest on Jul 25, 2017 15:39:50 GMT -5
Pathetic rankings no matter what.
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Post by Dianna on Jul 25, 2017 17:37:46 GMT -5
I'm glad Linda made the list...and I don't get the hype surrounding Beyonce.
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Post by erik on Jul 25, 2017 18:38:22 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna re. Beyoncé:
Beyond her skin color and her ethnicity, I would wager that she represents a face of 21st century Black Power, especially for women. Fair enough if that's true. But yes, Dianna, I agree that the hype isn't justified by her music, which is fairly standard-issue urban R&B, not as revelatory as, say, Aretha Franklin. And anyway, at the risk of seeming politically incorrect (which I don't apologize for) or bigoted (which I am definitely not), race and skin color shouldn't even figure in music. Music is either good or bad, and you judge it on that basis alone.
Similarly, no one can go all PC on Linda's inclusion here, saying that the only reason she was included was her being half-Mexican, when Heart Like A Wheel happened to be a straightforward country-rock album. Its inclusion here was because it established Linda as a force in the industry, with generations of aspiring female singers that have come since learning from her example.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 26, 2017 3:43:58 GMT -5
I was reading that Beyoncé and her husband together may become the first "Billionaire" musical family. Also read that they are part of the Illuminati or at least pawns. I do find all the symbolism they use in their music and photos bizarre but not so unusual. It isn't just them it is many of the top performers today doing it. It puts an unusual spin on this list and thought it to be an interesting sidebar. I don't think it can be separated from their popularity not even on a subconscious level. It is actually a huge topic unlike any I have ever seen before. Do you remember the short lived tv series A Year At The Top?
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Post by markm on Jul 28, 2017 17:34:55 GMT -5
I found so much about this list nauseating. The idea that Linda doesn't even show up until after #50 is a travesty. And Laura Nyro not until 80? Nothing by Patsy Cline (seriously?). Also, Linda, Bonnie and Emmylou - their effect on the women (and many men) who followed them is massive. They're lumped in the middle there like an afterthought.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 30, 2017 18:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by fabtastique on Aug 1, 2017 0:15:20 GMT -5
Beyonce is so overrated..... these lists though really mean nothing.
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Post by Dianna on Aug 1, 2017 0:21:51 GMT -5
I was reading that Beyoncé and her husband together may become the first "Billionaire" musical family. Also read that they are part of the Illuminati or at least pawns. I do find all the symbolism they use in their music and photos bizarre but not so unusual. It isn't just them it is many of the top performers today doing it. It puts an unusual spin on this list and thought it to be an interesting sidebar. I don't think it can be separated from their popularity not even on a subconscious level. It is actually a huge topic unlike any I have ever seen before. Do you remember the short lived tv series A Year At The Top? I also don't get the hype with her husband Jay Z. He isn't even a handsome man and he cheats on her.. No, I don't recall the series. |
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Post by rick on Aug 4, 2017 0:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Aug 4, 2017 1:18:18 GMT -5
I paid little attention to the list, didn't even peruse the whole list because it was too cumbersome. But The Divine Miss M was definitely a major oversight. The link above on the Bette Midler fansite gives an easier way to check out the entire list without having to go to many different pages.
I did look to be sure that Blondie's Parallel Lines was on the list, because I had an argument/discussion with a friend about this a couple weeks before the list was published. I maintained that Parallel Lines was one of the greatest female vocalist albums ever and he said no that it was a group. But every song has Debbie Harry as lead singer. I win again. Already a fan of their first two albums, I was amazed at the growth on the third album. I recently watched the Blondie documentary on either Amazon or Netflix-- I never realized what an important role the producer had in this new sound-- he was as responsible, IMIO, as much for the success of the album as was any band member.
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Post by moon on Aug 4, 2017 20:05:01 GMT -5
Beyonce is so overrated..... these lists though really mean nothing. I am so glad others feel that way about Beyonce. She does have a nice voice but I just don't get the level of hype about her. And her songs,boring. I am stumped about Beyonce madness |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 20:11:34 GMT -5
I consider Beyonce 'Whitney Lite'..
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Post by erik on Aug 4, 2017 21:04:25 GMT -5
Quote by robertaxel:
Probably more than a little true (IMHO).
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Post by Tony on Aug 4, 2017 22:21:58 GMT -5
Cry Like a Rainstorm Howl Like the Wind should have been on that list. One of Linda's best albums, and although it was a multiplatinum success it was overshadowed by Bonnie Raitt's Nick of Time. I'm glad that Bonnie finally made that commercial breakthrough but Rainstorm was a better collection.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 5, 2017 7:00:26 GMT -5
Az, been meaning to ask, NPR had a list of the Greatest Women Singers and Linda was not on list? Whhhhhaaattttt? eddiejinnj
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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2017 11:25:31 GMT -5
150 Greatest female albums -HLAW @ #53. What are they smokin? Who the hell cares about Liz Phair? No Bette Midler, Gladys Knight, Judy Collins? BTW there is a real "sanctimonious" nature to all these lists. So screw em.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Apr 29, 2019 18:18:28 GMT -5
The reason, imo, Britney should not be on list is not any personal attribute or philosophy of hers but her lack of true vocal abilities. That is not to say she does not have talent at all. To use Linda's quote that Erik has on his posts. Honesty comes first and in my opinion singing might not be Britney's best talent. She may feel and seem more honest if she focused and was viewed as a dancer/entertainer. Art/music appreciation transcends the above and also physical attributes hence the concept for the show "The Voice". eddiejinnj
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