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Post by rick on May 3, 2023 12:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by erik on May 3, 2023 22:32:39 GMT -5
I know there are wags out there who will say that Willie got the cannabis vote (although there just might be a little truth to that), but, let's be fair, like Johnny Cash, a country artist as good as he has been kind of transcends mere genre descriptions. And besides, his songs have been covered by those outside the country spectrum, like "Funny How Time Slips Away" (which That Elvis Guy recorded in 1970), and, last but not least, Linda's own 1976 version of "Crazy".
Sheryl Crow--I can't argue with this one. She earned it; and I (and I hope others here too) thank her for having helped induct Linda nine years ago.
Kate Bush--Some will find her induction a bit, well, weird; but then again, she's only been around for forty-five years. And "Running Up That Hill" was last year's out-of-the-box revival song (originally from 1985), thanks to Stranger Things.
The Spinners--I don't think I can dispute this one either, even if it's not exactly rock and roll. Their R&B style, first for Motown then in the Philly Sound mode remains eminently listenable ("Rubberband Man", anyone??)
However, I am a definite No when it comes to Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott.
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Post by Partridge on Jun 23, 2023 14:34:00 GMT -5
I never paid any attention to Missy Elliott but I heard her yesterday on the radio. All I heard was a monotonous repetitive sampling of the song I Can't Stand the Rain and some background chattering.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just BS at this point. There was opposition to Linda Ronstadt being inducted because she was not rock. Then they induct Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson. Give me a f****** break!
I never expected Olivia Newton-John to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because I never considered her a rock artist. She never really rocked. But if the standards have changed and Dolly Parton is in, then the doors should be kicked wide open for popular pop singers like Olivia or Helen Reddy and early influences like Rosemary Clooney.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 24, 2023 8:53:37 GMT -5
I don't know Missy Elliot's music to be honest. Willie deserves an influence award to be more accurate, imo. "How Time Slips Away", which I didn't know Elvis recorded or in what style but Linda/Homer's version was very much Traditional Pop like Tony Bennett style. What it all boils down to, imo. I don't have a problem for the RRHOF inducting him. Kate Bush seems to have had a had a career like Linda's early one with perhaps a loyal following and her style, from what I know of her music would qualify for RRHOF induction. I guess I knew Olivia was in but was it after she passed recently?
I can see the Boss' point re: opposition to Linda for decades then Dolly gets in, albeit 50 years into her career. Dolly would be more of an influencer type qualification, imo.
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Post by erik on Jun 24, 2023 11:26:41 GMT -5
Quote by eddiejinnj:
I think you may have misread what Tony said there, eddie. Olivia's not in...yet, anyway. What he said was that, if the standards had changed so much to allow Dolly in, then Olivia probably should get in too.
When it comes to Dolly--well, I can understand the cynicism. Up until just recently, very little of what Dolly has ever recorded was anywhere near what we'd call rock and roll in the truest sense (apart from perhaps her 1979 version of "Great Balls Of Fire").
What really is disheartening is that Linda isn't yet in the Country Music Hall of Fame with her Trio pals Dolly and Emmylou. Part of that can be ascribed to the huge bottleneck of artists waiting to get in who have either been dead for years or who are dying; they only induct three artists per year. And part of it can be ascribed to Linda never having considered herself a straight country artist, at least not the way Music City sees it. Even so, and even if one sets aside the Trio recordings, Linda's contributions to country music, even if from a West Coast, left-of-center angle, have been far more influential to that genre than Dolly's have been to rock and roll.
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Post by MokyWI on Jun 26, 2023 13:24:56 GMT -5
Quote by eddiejinnj: I think you may have misread what Tony said there, eddie. Olivia's not in...yet, anyway. What he said was that, if the standards had changed so much to allow Dolly in, then Olivia probably should get in too. When it comes to Dolly--well, I can understand the cynicism. Up until just recently, very little of what Dolly has ever recorded was anywhere near what we'd call rock and roll in the truest sense (apart from perhaps her 1979 version of "Great Balls Of Fire"). What really is disheartening is that Linda isn't yet in the Country Music Hall of Fame with her Trio pals Dolly and Emmylou. Part of that can be ascribed to the huge bottleneck of artists waiting to get in who have either been dead for years or who are dying; they only induct three artists per year. And part of it can be ascribed to Linda never having considered herself a straight country artist, at least not the way Music City sees it. Even so, and even if one sets aside the Trio recordings, Linda's contributions to country music, even if from a West Coast, left-of-center angle, have been far more influential to that genre than Dolly's have been to rock and roll. Very good point about Linda and Dolly there at the end concerning CMHOF. |
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Post by erik on Jun 26, 2023 18:35:13 GMT -5
To be fair to Dolly, rock and roll (apart from Linda, of course) went into glam, glitter, and their warped version of "showbiz" during the late 1970's, which is where Dolly really hit it big on a national and, eventually, international level. Dolly is the apotheosis of all that, for better or worse (perhaps a bit of both), laced with a lot of very Appalachian humor. As she has said, "It costs a lot to look this cheap".
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