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Post by vikingfan on Dec 11, 2012 20:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Dec 11, 2012 21:15:25 GMT -5
I say hooray for Donna (albeit just a little too late); Heart; and Randy Newman.
But it's still an empty shell without Linda, and without at least two other womenfolk: Pat Benatar, and Stevie Nicks.
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Post by Richard W on Dec 12, 2012 9:44:49 GMT -5
If anyone would have told me that Donna Summer would be inducted into something called "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" before Linda Ronstadt, I would have laughed in their face.
Still, I don't begrudge Summer her induction. Likewise Heart and Newman (another close Ronstadt associate who's been inducted while Linda remains with the crickets and tumbleweeds).
Still...
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Post by rick on Dec 16, 2012 0:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Dec 16, 2012 0:53:48 GMT -5
I guess they feel "guilty" about never having had it held out this way...though I kind of doubt it.  |
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Post by philly on Jan 6, 2013 1:55:34 GMT -5
minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2012/12/five_acts_that_should_be_in_th.shtmlFive acts that should be in the R&R Hall of Fame Posted at 3:22 PM on December 11, 2012 by Bob Collins ' We have new members for the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. Rush, Heart, Public Enemy, Albert King, Donna Summer and Randy Newman were added to the Cleveland landmark today. The selection of Rush comes years late, too late for the Hall of Fame to avoid exposing itself as occasionally musically irrelevant. ABBA was in. Rush was out. End of conversation. The winners were chosen by 500 musicians and music industry veterans, and this year the hall included -- but not very heavily -- an Internet poll of fans music fans. Who's not in? Plenty of people more talented and meaningful than a few of the musicians who are. Here then are five musical acts and the categories under which they could justify their nomination: BEST ARTIST STANDING ON A BEACH WHILE A HORSE RIDES BY... AT NIGHT Linda Ronstadt. Haven't seen the Hasten Down The Wind cover? Look in any record stash of anyone over 55. It's there. By the way, that album is worth $38 now. She was the premier woman singer in the '70s -- at one point the highest paid, too. Critics say much of her career wasn't about "rock." Now that disco is considered "rock," that should be the end of that excuse. Her 11 Grammys, if you're keeping score at home, is 11 more than ABBA. Her career mostly ended after she was booed off the stage for her "unpatriotic" remarks (she endorsed Fahrenheit 9/11). If the R&R HOF committee were the Nobel Prize committee, she'd be in by now.
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Post by erik on Jan 6, 2013 13:11:24 GMT -5
Quote from article cited by philly:
Er...not quite. If anything, the whole Fahrenheit 9/11 imbroglio in Vegas did bring her into the spotlight one more time. The media, however, as we are all too painfully aware, has a very short attention span. Of course, I agree that if the RRHOF were more like the Nobel Prize committee, she'd have been a shoo-in in the same year the Eagles were inducted.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 6, 2013 14:39:38 GMT -5
BEST ARTIST STANDING ON A BEACH WHILE A HORSE RIDES BY... AT NIGHT Linda Ronstadt. Haven't seen the Hasten Down The Wind cover? Look in any record stash of anyone over 55. It's there. By the way, that album is worth $38 now. She was the premier woman singer in the '70s -- at one point the highest paid, too. Critics say much of her career wasn't about "rock." Now that disco is considered "rock," that should be the end of that excuse. Her 11 Grammys, if you're keeping score at home, is 11 more than ABBA. Her career mostly ended after she was booed off the stage for her "unpatriotic" remarks (she endorsed Fahrenheit 9/11). If the R&R HOF committee were the Nobel Prize committee, she'd be in by now. Collins's argument for LInda isn't a very good argument for Linda. While it's probably true that anyone 55 or older has a copy of Hasten Down the Wind, the album cover - great as it is, doesn't mean anything. The joke that is the R&RHoF doesn't decide who gets in, who doesn't on the basis of album covers. That the album today is worth $38 also means nothing to the R&RHoF. Likewise, the fact that Linda has won 11 Grammy awards to no Grammy awards for ABBA means nothing to the R&RHoF, although the music critics who are members of the nominating committe or voters are also the ones who viewed the Grammy awards with the same disdain as the Oscar, Emmy and Tony awards. It was the entertainment establishment rewarding its establishment stars, many of whom they felt was undeserving of the honor. Collins's comment about how critics should now stop saying how Linda's career wasn't about rock because the critics now consider disco to be rock is probably a valid point, though I'm not sure all the critics who are members of the hall would agree with his point. I always thought disco was just rock - danceable rock music - and that those who didn't like the music were the types who didn't want to dance. Or who thought rock music had to be more intellectual and had to have serious messages for the public because rock musicians were far more worldier than an ordinary person. But, he could just as easily have a point about the number of Motown artists who have been inducted - what did they have to do with rock and roll? Of course, the answer should be that it was a variation of rock, just as disco was a variation or the blending of rock with classical or country. Still variations. Where Collins or anyone making a case for Linda to be nominated and inducted is with the hall's criteria. Linda meets all of their criteria. Another point to consider is to not be whining about who's in there now because overall, it means nothing. ABBA was in but Rush was out for a few years more? So what! They're in there now, probably more because of the fan vote as I know they probably didn't meet all of the hall's criteria. As to who is in there being a valid point - as it relates to Linda - one can make the point that Linda should've been in long before the Eagles and Jackson Browne were in. Maybe James Taylor too. That she wasn't and still isn't in the hall reflects poorly on them but even if she - or any fan favorite - gets in, then what? What does being in the hall really have to offer an artist beyond inclusion and pleasing an artist's fans? Respect? Linda already has that. Immortality? We're still talking about Linda almost five decades after she first started and there will probably be people fifty years from now and a century from now still talking about her or listening to her music. The hall can't give to her what she already has any more than they could give something to those who are already in. The honor of being inducted is a one time thing and then it's gone. And then people pay to get into a museum to see the personal effects of those inducted. I'd rather honor Linda my way: always listening to her music as that's what matters. Her music. |
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Post by musicaamator on Jan 7, 2013 7:28:02 GMT -5
Linda should be in the Rock and Roll HOF, the Latino music HOF, and the Country HOF! That just shows the versatility her career was/is!
(On a side note, I am stoked that Rush got in this year!)
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 7, 2013 10:38:36 GMT -5
I think a lot of Bob's comments were "tongue in cheek" and not meant to be literal. I think his point was clear that those he identified should have been admitted long ago. His column was amusing and appreciated by me at least.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 8, 2013 5:35:10 GMT -5
I think a lot of Bob's comments were "tongue in cheek" and not meant to be literal. I think his point was clear that those he identified should have been admitted long ago. His column was amusing and appreciated by me at least. It may have been tongue in cheek - especially the parts about the album cover and dollar value of the album, but on the other, I've read quite a few sentiments from others who are quite serious and mean and nasty about the others who have been inducted. It's almost like they are blaming the artists who are in for those who are not, including their favorites. The artists and bands had nothing to do with the nominating process or how the vote went, so what were they to do when they were voted in? Turn down the "honor?" Most artists seemed to want to be inducted but in no way did their induction cause the fans's favorite to not get inducted. the reason the fan favorite act didn't get nominated or inducted has to do with the people on the nominating committee and the hall voters and their personal tastes and prejudices and biases. And you can't make them nominate an act you like no matter how good you think that act was and is. Personally, I'd like to see my favorites inducted, including Linda, but you know, it's not going to bother me if it doesn't happen. And I'm not going to tear down those who are in, whether they are acts I happen to like or happen to dislike. It was one more moment for them to be in the spotlight again. I cheer for them all. And my argument will always be with the hall members who nominate and hall members who vote on the artists, and never the artists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 9:22:23 GMT -5
I admit rather enjoying Johnny Rotten's sneering refusal to join the hall of shame, citing their hypocrisy:
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 8, 2013 10:22:17 GMT -5
I still don't understand why Rolling Stone Magazine and their minions should be the caretakers of the Hall of Fame and museum. Putting the music critics in charge of the henhouse is not my idea of fairness.
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Post by erik on Jan 8, 2013 10:30:36 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadfanaz re. RRHOF being in the hands of Rolling Stone:
It isn't mine either, and not just for that reason. The fact that both the magazine and the Hall of Fame board happen to sit in New York indicate what I have said for years is an inherent East Coast bias against anything emanating from this side of the country.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 8, 2013 16:12:31 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadfanaz re. RRHOF being in the hands of Rolling Stone: It isn't mine either, and not just for that reason. The fact that both the magazine and the Hall of Fame board happen to sit in New York indicate what I have said for years is an inherent East Coast bias against anything emanating from this side of the country. The reason why Rolling Stone magazine and their minions are the caretakers is that the hall was the idea of Jann Wenner. That's why I refer to the R&RHoF as the Jann Wenner Hall of Fame. It's less about rock and roll and more about the personal tastes of Jann Wenner and friends. Wenner made sure most members of the hall - the ones on the nominating committee and many of those who vote - shared his world view on the artists he deems worthy or unworthy to be in the hall. But, curiously, someone who was once a member of the hall, said there wasn't as much objection to any artist being nominated as many people think, just that there's quite a few artists who are eligible and only so many slots available each year. And the emphasis was on artists who are still living and who could be cajoled into appearing and performing (for free) and bringing their families. |
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