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Post by erik on Sept 26, 2012 8:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by Dianna on Sept 26, 2012 11:03:21 GMT -5
Yeah, weird how just the other day, Can't get used to losing you (a song Andy made popular) was posted on another thread. RIP Andy Williams:(
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 26, 2012 13:51:57 GMT -5
Yeah, weird how just the other day, Can't get used to losing you (a song Andy made popular) was posted on another thread. RIP Andy Williams:( I've noticed there is a phenomenon in which it seems a celebrity's work (whether it's music or acting) will be seen or heard more just prior to their death. I think the word for that is synchronicity. It's kind of weird and spooky when something like that happens. That definitely applies to Andy and "Can't Get Used to Losing You," although Andy had been ill with his cancer for over a year and death should've been expected. But, Andy appeared to have been a nice guy and seemed to have been well liked by his musical peers, even though he was a middle of the road performer. |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 26, 2012 15:35:31 GMT -5
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Post by rick on Sept 26, 2012 15:58:26 GMT -5
Having grown up with the sound of Andy Williams' voice and the sight of him on TV on his weekly series, I had a lot of affection for him. And still enjoy hearing songs popularized by him. And I do not like to politicize this, but it did turn my stomach back in 2009 -- two years before his diagnosis of cancer -- when he said extremely hateful things about President Obama. Williams was a man who worked for the Robert F. Kennedy campaign, which was about freedom for all people, not just white people. Yet, when we got our first African-American president, Williams joined the Pat Boones and Tea Partiers to blast Obama as a socialist and someone who wanted America to fail. It tainted Andy Williams for me. Rest In Peace, Andy. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/6241196/Andy-Williams-accuses-Barack-Obama-of-following-Marxist-theory.html |
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Post by erik on Sept 26, 2012 17:19:06 GMT -5
Politics does taint it for some, but I'm going to let bygones be bygones and not let it worry me.
And while he may have been well before my time, it should be pointed out that Andy was able to have two very sizable hits in the early 70s that got a lot of radio play: "Where Do I Begin?" (the theme from LOVE STORY), and "Speak Softly" (the love theme from THE GODFATHER). Not too shabby for a "middle of the road" artist during that time (IMHO).
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Post by philly on Sept 26, 2012 18:18:58 GMT -5
I heard Rush Limbaugh was praising Andy as a "good conservative", noting his remarks about Obama being a marxist, wanting the banks to fail, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 19:47:07 GMT -5
I never heard any of his political views... just as well...Rush wouldn't know a good conservative if it bit him in the ass, anyway...
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 26, 2012 22:01:33 GMT -5
I never heard any of his political views... just as well...Rush wouldn't know a good conservative if it bit him in the ass, anyway... Like Linda I suppose I would rather have not known. My guess is that even Limbaugh's ass is devoid of feeling. About Andy, when I hear those particular talking points about Obama I know that the person using them is ill informed. There are probably other underlying reasons. |
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 26, 2012 22:49:10 GMT -5
Like Linda I suppose I would rather have not known. My guess is that even Limbaugh's ass is devoid of feeling. About Andy, when I hear those particular talking points about Obama I know that the person using them is ill informed. There are probably other underlying reasons. I was kind of surprised Andy was making the comments about Obama. I had forgotten about him being a very liberal-minded person in the 60s and 70s. I think he probably got a little more conservative as he got older. Most people tend to get a little more conservative-minded when they get older, at least the ones I have met. And I don't think it's so much being ill-informed as having other things to worry about, like their health or finances. I think older people can be scared by the rantings and ravings of people like Limbaugh and Palin, who scared a lot of the older people with her bullsh*t about Obama's death panels. It wouldn't surprise me if Linda becomes a lot more conservative as she get older although I think for her more conservative might be more in the middle of the road than anything else. |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 26, 2012 23:22:51 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Linda becomes a lot more conservative as she get older although I think for her more conservative might be more in the middle of the road than anything else.
Um, I don't think that is about to happen. She may become kinder and gentler in her approach but she was one of the first women's libbers in the 60's and probably as a kid. haha She would cease to be Linda Ronstadt if she did.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 27, 2012 10:55:58 GMT -5
Um, I don't think that is about to happen. She may become kinder and gentler in her approach but she was one of the first women's libbers in the 60's and probably as a kid. haha She would cease to be Linda Ronstadt if she did. I'm not talking about right away, mind you, but later on when she gets to be in her mid to late 70s to early 80s. She'll never cease to be Linda Ronstadt just because the person she could be then might not be the person she is now. She's probably not the same person she is now that she was when she was in her 20s and 30s. Her politics may never change as much as Andy Williams's politics did but politics are likely to be the least of her worries when she is in her 80s. |
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Post by rick on Sept 27, 2012 12:45:15 GMT -5
Um, I don't think that is about to happen. She may become kinder and gentler in her approach but she was one of the first women's libbers in the 60's and probably as a kid. haha She would cease to be Linda Ronstadt if she did. I'm not talking about right away, mind you, but later on when she gets to be in her mid to late 70s to early 80s. She'll never cease to be Linda Ronstadt just because the person she could be then might not be the person she is now. She's probably not the same person she is now that she was when she was in her 20s and 30s. Her politics may never change as much as Andy Williams's politics did but politics are likely to be the least of her worries when she is in her 80s. Slide, I am with RonstadtFan on this. I do not see Linda's politics changing. As long as the GOP has the likes of someone like a Tom Tancredo or a Karl Rove (the list is endless) in it, Linda is not going to be swayed. She is a very intelligent woman. She is not going to be swaying by "birther" theories by the Tea Party, as Andy Williams did (R.I.P. Andy). I believe the same could be said for Barbra Streisand, who sang for JFk, did fund-raisers for McGovern, Clinton, Obama, etc. I don't see Tom Hanks or Steven Spielberg changing their stripes. I wish there were another thread for this discussion (rather than on the notice of the passing of Andy Williams, R.I.P.). But there were a few celebrities whose politics got turned upside down by 9/11. Ron Silver was a famous liberal and when 9/11 happened, something happened to him. He was a very intense actor (sometimes a little too intense) and his liberalism was almost set beyong the maximum. And then when 9/11 hit, it were as if a switch got hit and he went completely the other way. And then he would be on Fox News pontificating against the Democrats and liberals not wanting to keep this country safe, he's speak at the Republican convention, and, before Clint Eastwood this year, Silver was their token Hollywood person. Dennis Miller and Jon Voight had similar transformations. So, it is not unheard of, Slide. I just don't ever see it happening with our Linda. |
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 27, 2012 17:50:25 GMT -5
Slide, I am with RonstadtFan on this. I do not see Linda's politics changing. As long as the GOP has the likes of someone like a Tom Tancredo or a Karl Rove (the list is endless) in it, Linda is not going to be swayed. She is a very intelligent woman. She is not going to be swaying by "birther" theories by the Tea Party, as Andy Williams did (R.I.P. Andy). I believe the same could be said for Barbra Streisand, who sang for JFk, did fund-raisers for McGovern, Clinton, Obama, etc. I don't see Tom Hanks or Steven Spielberg changing their stripes. I wish there were another thread for this discussion (rather than on the notice of the passing of Andy Williams, R.I.P.). But there were a few celebrities whose politics got turned upside down by 9/11. Ron Silver was a famous liberal and when 9/11 happened, something happened to him. He was a very intense actor (sometimes a little too intense) and his liberalism was almost set beyong the maximum. And then when 9/11 hit, it were as if a switch got hit and he went completely the other way. And then he would be on Fox News pontificating against the Democrats and liberals not wanting to keep this country safe, he's speak at the Republican convention, and, before Clint Eastwood this year, Silver was their token Hollywood person. Dennis Miller and Jon Voight had similar transformations. So, it is not unheard of, Slide. I just don't ever see it happening with our Linda. If it were to ever happen, I don't think Linda would ever be a conservative along the lines of Tom Tancredo, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Jan Brewer or any of the Tea party nuts. I think that if it were to ever happen, Linda would only be modestly conservative and could still be thought of as a liberal. But, I think people continuously change their outlooks as they get older - and we shouldn't regard celebrities as being immune to changing because they are human like the rest of us. And again, I'm not talking about now or anytime soon but somewhere much further down the road, her late 70s to her 80s. It may never happen and I hope it doesn't but if it were to happen, such a move, I think, would have to do with what could be happening in her life at that time. Of course, perhaps the older people I knew and the once-liberal celebrities had leaned conservative all along and were never liberal in the first place? |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 27, 2012 19:43:25 GMT -5
If it were to ever happen, I don't think Linda would ever be a conservative along the lines of Tom Tancredo, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Jan Brewer or any of the Tea party nuts. I think that if it were to ever happen, Linda would only be modestly conservative and could still be thought of as a liberal. But, I think people continuously change their outlooks as they get older - and we shouldn't regard celebrities as being immune to changing because they are human like the rest of us. And again, I'm not talking about now or anytime soon but somewhere much further down the road, her late 70s to her 80s. It may never happen and I hope it doesn't but if it were to happen, such a move, I think, would have to do with what could be happening in her life at that time. Of course, perhaps the older people I knew and the once-liberal celebrities had leaned conservative all along and were never liberal in the first place?
Hopefully I will be long dead if that ever happens.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 28, 2012 11:20:06 GMT -5
Hopefully I will be long dead if that ever happens. It may never happen but to get back to Andy Williams, most people probably are not aware that in the 1943 movie, "To Have and Have Not," it's his voice you hear singing "Am I Blue" and not Lauren Bacall's. Bacall wasn't a singer and Andy (then 16 years old at the time) was tapped to overdub his singing voice for hers. His singing voice wasn't that high and neither was Bacall's non-singing voice. Most people who watch the movie assume it's Bacall singing even though the information about Andy overdubbing his voice for hers has been around since the 70s at least, maybe even right from the start. |
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Post by erik on Sept 28, 2012 17:25:54 GMT -5
And we will get his version of "The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year" heard in, oh let's say, another two and a half months. It is one of the most played X-Mas songs in history.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 28, 2012 18:46:06 GMT -5
And we will get his version of "The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year" heard in, oh let's say, another two and a half months. It is one of the most played X-Mas songs in history. It is one of my favorite Christmas tunes by anyone. Here is the Lauren Bacall song that sounds nowhere like a woman unless she is on testosterone: Didn't think Andy could ever sound so bad unless of course he was a man pretending to be a woman. |
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Post by Partridge on Sept 28, 2012 21:13:49 GMT -5
that Lauren Bacall sounds more like Leon Redbone.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 29, 2012 13:54:54 GMT -5
that Lauren Bacall sounds more like Leon Redbone. Or would that be Andy at 16 sounds more like Leon Redbone? |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2012 1:45:25 GMT -5
It is from the movie so it must be Andy pretending to be Lauren pretending to be singing.
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