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Post by sliderocker on Oct 7, 2021 11:51:59 GMT -5
As I understand it, the first Greatest Hits compilation of Linda's has sold seven million copies, as of the last I heard. Obviously this is still three million short of diamond status; but that award is so hard to achieve, unless you're Garth Brooks, or the Dixie Chicks, or Mariah Carey. And in this day and age, it may no longer be possible to achieve that sales status for a single album.
It's possible the Linda's first Greatest Hits compilation may have sold enough copies by now to qualify for the RIAA's diamond award, representing ten million albums sold. A greatest hits compilation album tends to be the best selling album of an artist's career, because those albums tend to remain in circulation, while the back catalog is out of print.
As I was just mentioning on the deal made between Tina Turner and BMG, if a company buys an artist's catalog or a songwriter's catalog, that company had better start promoting them immediately as both are subject to the copyrights going into the public domain. For a songwriter, it's 75 years after death. I don't know what it is for an artist. I don't think it's the same. In England, many of Elvis's albums are in the public domain because of the law limiting those works to 50 years. By comparison, albums by the Beatles, all of which are past the 50 year rule, are still protected and they shouldn't be. They should all be in the public domain. Or the 50 year public domain rule should be rescinded by the British government because it's hypocrisy to put sdome artists in the public domain but not others.
If we're going by studio albums only, then Linda's biggest seller would likely be 1977's Simple Dreams, which sold 3.5 million copies in its first year of release, and spent five weeks at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart (the entire month of December, to be precise), and even a week at #1 on Billboard's C&W Album Chart.
Linda's album certififcations need to be updated and I think Rhino is still handling her catalog for the Warners Group. However, since Linda sold her catalog to the Irving Azoff Company, it would probably be incumbent on his company to seek new certifications. Linda's US total is likely more than 50 million and I have seen some of the comments putting it at 75 million. It's also possible Azoff could authorize another record company to be in charge of reissuing Linda's back catalog. Back catalogs tend to be very popular with those who buy CDs and albums.
The RIAA also awards gold, platinum and diamond for downloads, which in my book are worthless because it's not an actual physical disc you're holding. The original LP/45/cassette/CD are not converted to download equivalents, but download equivalents are put on the same level as a 45 or LP/CD/cassette if someone buys all the tracks.
But, there's no question Linda's catalog needs new certifications, but she's not likely to see them unless Azoff or Rhino or whoever has the rights to release those recordings seek them. Rhino was pretty good at seeking new certifications when they were an independent company. Since becoming part of Warners, they're not the same company.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 15:54:18 GMT -5
I am a buyer of albums, vinyl & silver disc. The only d/l I buy are Linda guesting on others' albums or her rare tracks from compilations.
But thinking of getting an (Amazon) Alexa gadget. Has anyone here done that, what commands do you give?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 16:02:46 GMT -5
Here is an Elvis Presley (of course) song Linda should have sung.
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Post by erik on Oct 7, 2021 18:24:27 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker re. David Geffen:
It's the thing you can say about practically anyone who has ever led a record label, or been a manager (save maybe for Peter Asher or Brian Epstein, though not The Colonel [natch!]). Geffen had already known about Linda for several years, when he was getting in on the agency ground floor at Ashley Famous in 1968 and Linda was a client there; and, as he said in THE SOUND OF MY VOICE, he knew that Linda was going to be a big star. Only Linda herself, it seems, didn't think so, because of her own inherent and extreme insecurity.
Some more songs for Linda's consideration:
"Still", a big C&W/pop crossover hit for "Whisperin'" Bill Anderson in 1963:
"Greenfields", the big folk-era hit for The Brothers Four in 1960:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:01:33 GMT -5
This would have been interesting duet for Linda and... someone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 17:23:29 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker: As I understand it, the first Greatest Hits compilation of Linda's has sold seven million copies, as of the last I heard. Obviously this is still three million short of diamond status; but that award is so hard to achieve, unless you're Garth Brooks, or the Dixie Chicks, or Mariah Carey. And in this day and age, it may no longer be possible to achieve that sales status for a single album. If we're going by studio albums only, then Linda's biggest seller would likely be 1977's Simple Dreams, which sold 3.5 million copies in its first year of release, and spent five weeks at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart (the entire month of December, to be precise), and even a week at #1 on Billboard's C&W Album Chart. Linda's 1978 interview with Lisa Robinson is a good one for how she was faring and felt at the time of "Simple Dreams". SD seems to have been another turning point, or mini-era in her career. On songwriting... Lisa: I thought you wanted to start writing songs more, why didn't you for this album? Linda: Well, like I've said before, I don't really consider myself a songwriter, I was really amazed I wrote that song. That's not really something that I do. Some people sit down everyday and they write, but I don't do that. I have a few ideas cooking, but my goal in life is not to be a songwriter. The fact that I wrote a song was like an added bonus in my life. But something pretty intense has to happen and it's got to be something I can write about in pretty specific terms. That whole combination of events has to happen in order for me to write a song. I just don't have the kind of craftsmanship that a writer would have to have to construct things out of every day experiences, in a way that makes it real interesting. I mean Paul Simon is the most gifted at that. He can write songs outside of his own experience so eloquently. www.ronstadt-linda.com/arthp78.htm
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2021 19:52:07 GMT -5
It's the thing you can say about practically anyone who has ever led a record label, or been a manager (save maybe for Peter Asher or Brian Epstein, though not The Colonel [natch!]). Geffen had already known about Linda for several years, when he was getting in on the agency ground floor at Ashley Famous in 1968 and Linda was a client there; and, as he said in THE SOUND OF MY VOICE, he knew that Linda was going to be a big star. Only Linda herself, it seems, didn't think so, because of her own inherent and extreme insecurity.
I believe Peter Asher had the experience of seeing how Brian Epstein handled the Beatles. And while Brian did some things right with the Beatles, he also did some things wrong, such as the merchandising of Beatles relate memorabilia. Not the records but like toys, posters, glasses, cups, et al. He made deals with several companies and apparently, it wasn't always successful. He made some enemies. Which is why some believed Brian didn't commit suicide.
David Geffen is three years older than Linda, and although I've always believed that was sometimes a plus on why Linda became a success under Geffen, most of the people who were at Capitol and likely promoting Linda were also around her age or just a little bit older. Someone didn't listen. Of course, I believe part of Linda's problem, her biggest problem, was Linda herself and her reliance on covering old songs instead of doing more recent songs.
Or when she did recent songs, she covered songs written by her friends instead of songs written by known songwriters. Jackson Browne was not a big name initially when Linda covered Rock Me On The Water. The same thing was true when Linda covered three songs by J.D. Souther on Don't Cry Now. Not that there was anything wrong with those songs, but there were enough slots on Linda's albums to be filled up with original songs instead of remakes. I tend to think original songs written specifically for Linda or untouched by other artists before Linda, would've got Linda to where she wanted to be.
But, I think it's also possible her extreme insecurity led her to choosing to remake older songs over newer songs. And it's alo possible she may have been surrounded by musicians who preferred older songs to newer songs and who may have discouraged her from doing more recent material. Geffen may have had side publishing deals on some of the songs Linda recorded. Col. Parker was from the only manager or record company executive who tried to secure a piece of the action. If you write a song or songs with a view that you wanted Linda or Elvis to record the songs, the best guarantee was to agree to give the person with access to Linda or Elvis a percentage of the publishing in exchange for Linda or Elvis hearing your song. Not a guarantee they will hear it or record it, but they will hear it.
When I was writing a lot of songs in the 70s, I wasn't aware of having to grease the palms of those who worked for an Elvis or a Linda in the early 70s. Thus, when I wrote a couple of songs with Linda in mind, I thought all I had to do was send those songs directly to Linda. Or Elvis. Had some in mind for him too. What I didn't know was unsolicited songs are returned unopened to novice songwriters as that's not how songs are submitted. You had to have a manager and publisher and they had to submit the songs on your behalf. And everyone wanted and expected a piece, not just Parker. Parker was a direct to Elvis connection, so if you made a deal with him, you knew your song would possibly be heard by Elvis. I don't know if there was anyone working for Linda who could've submitted songs directly to Linda. Linda liked her friends's songs, so for Linda to have heard your song, it would had to have been through Peter or John Boylan or even David Geffen. It wouldn't have been unreasonable for any of them to ask a percentage but my belief is because David geffen was the head of Asylum, he likely would've been asking as much as Parker.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2021 20:08:04 GMT -5
Linda's 1978 interview with Lisa Robinson is a good one for how she was faring and felt at the time of "Simple Dreams". SD seems to have been another turning point, or mini-era in her career.
On songwriting...
Lisa: I thought you wanted to start writing songs more, why didn't you for this album?
Linda: Well, like I've said before, I don't really consider myself a songwriter, I was really amazed I wrote that song. That's not really something that I do. Some people sit down everyday and they write, but I don't do that. I have a few ideas cooking, but my goal in life is not to be a songwriter. The fact that I wrote a song was like an added bonus in my life. But something pretty intense has to happen and it's got to be something I can write about in pretty specific terms. That whole combination of events has to happen in order for me to write a song. I just don't have the kind of craftsmanship that a writer would have to have to construct things out of every day experiences, in a way that makes it real interesting. I mean Paul Simon is the most gifted at that. He can write songs outside of his own experience so eloquently.
www.ronstadt-linda.com/arthp78.htmI remember this interview but it was from 1978, and I remember Linda's interview from one source where she said she could write songs, but she gave her usual line of I didn't want to contribute to the world's list of bad songs excuse. She was basically owning up to the fact she was capable of writing songs all along, but she thought her songwriting would be like her singing. No good. And she just didn't want to write songs because they wouldn't be any good and thus, she would be contributing to the world's list of bad songs. Here's how I would've asked Linda about that: You said you were capable of writing songs but you didn't want to, because in your mind, that meant, you would've been contributing to the world's list of bad songs. Does that mean you would've written a bad song like Feelings?And... It wouldn't have been possible for you to have known what you written was bad unless you tried to write some songs and they were bad. So, did you? And if you did, did you judge yourself a bad songwriter? Or did someone you know scoff at your efforts and tell you that you shouldn't bother?I probably would not have been gentle with Linda on her lack of songwriting efforts, because she was capable. And I don't know if it had anything to do with the insecurity that has long dogged her career. Or if she was just being lazy, relying on friends to write their songs or the old remakes. Linda did something right in her career, but I have a suspicion her career could've been much, much greater if she had written more songs.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2021 20:25:25 GMT -5
Here is a song I would like to have heard Linda sing.
I was speaking previously about unsolicited songs. This song was sent to the Poppy Family by the songwriter on a crumbly cassette tape. For whatever reason, Susan and her-then husband Terry (yes, he of Seasons in the Sun) listened to the song, despite it being unsolicited. They liked what they heard and recorded the song. Terry's music publishing company, got the publishing option on the song. Pretty song.
Another Poppy Family song...
Written by Terry, not for himself and Susan, but for Tammy Wynette. Wynette was having problems with her then-husband George Jones. Terry was in Nashville trying to persuade her to record the song. He didn't know when to shut up and kept bothering her. And she ultimately told him what he could do with himself. So, he kept the song for the Poppy Family.
This is a song Linda could possibly have done around the time of Linda Ronstadt. Both Winter Milk and Tryin' were released on the Poppy Family album Poppy Seeds, which was released around the same time as Linda Ronstadt.
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Post by RobGNYC on Oct 10, 2021 23:36:08 GMT -5
Here is a song I would like to have heard Linda sing. I was speaking previously about unsolicited songs. This song was sent to the Poppy Family by the songwriter on a crumbly cassette tape. For whatever reason, Susan and her-then husband Terry (yes, he of Seasons in the Sun) listened to the song, despite it being unsolicited. They liked what they heard and recorded the song. Terry's music publishing company, got the publishing option on the song. Pretty song. Another Poppy Family song... Written by Terry, not for himself and Susan, but for Tammy Wynette. Wynette was having problems with her then-husband George Jones. Terry was in Nashville trying to persuade her to record the song. He didn't know when to shut up and kept bothering her. And she ultimately told him what he could do with himself. So, he kept the song for the Poppy Family. This is a song Linda could possibly have done around the time of Linda Ronstadt. Both Winter Milk and Tryin' were released on the Poppy Family album Poppy Seeds, which was released around the same time as Linda Ronstadt.Terry should have shut up. Tammy and Billy Sherrill would have killed it. It sounds like a Tammy song even when Susan sings it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 6:41:44 GMT -5
Linda could have sung the original "Le Moribond" by Jacque Brel translated to English, gender flipped. Good for a Hummin' 2
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Post by 70smusicfan on Oct 11, 2021 8:07:07 GMT -5
Went to a Patsy Cline musical yesterday. The actress had a great stage presence, but didn't come even close to matching Patsy Cline's voice. Not enough chest voice, power, and phrasing. Like the Buddy Holly musical last month (which had 3 of the songs Linda recorded associated with Buddy Holly, even if one wasn't written by BH), reminded me of the ubiquitous nature of Linda (she's hidden in plain sight everywhere).
Like Linda, Patsy didn't write her own material. Unlike Linda, she didn't get criticized for it. They are both associated with the songs they sung (usually better than the original artists).
I think Linda could have done any of the songs in the entire Patsy Cline discography. Linda has the same wide range, perhaps way more on the high end than Patsy, the power and phrasing. Too bad she didn't do such an album. What songs associated with Patsy did Linda record/perform live?
Crazy I Fall to Pieces Lovesick Blues
All three in yesterday's concert. Any others?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 9:03:20 GMT -5
Had Asylum/Capitol etc had their head screwed on, they could have released a compilation LP, or double, of Linda "tribute" songs. They had already; 2 Patsy, 2 Buddy, 2 Smokey, 2 Hank, 2 Bob, 2 Lola, 1 Elvis Presley, 1 Eagles, 1 Dolly.. others.
Some new material, see all the posts above for suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 9:11:42 GMT -5
An untapped idea was a reply-song, which Linda could have written herself. They were popular in the 1960s, used the same tune but with tweaked lyrics, or could be completely different.
Classic example
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 11, 2021 11:15:29 GMT -5
Terry should have shut up. Tammy and Billy Sherrill would have killed it. It sounds like a Tammy song even when Susan sings it. I bought both of the Poppy Family albums when they came out in 1970 and 1971. When I first played Tryin', I thought it was a Tammy Wynette song, although Terry had written the song. When the two Poppy Family albums plus Susan Jacks's first solo album ( I Thought of You Again, which essentially was a Poppy Family album produced by Terry, who also wrote most of the songs) were reissued to CD as A Good Thing Lost, the liner notes were by Terry. And the story of his trying to pitch the song to Wynette was told there. He goofed big time. It would've earned him more money if Wynette had done the song. If he had somehow gotten the song to Linda, it may have appealed to her. And she could've nailed it too. Tammy Wynette definitely would've nailed it. Susan has a beautiful voice, and she was equally at home in the rock, pop and country genres. She should've been as big as Anne Murray was, but things just never worked out that way for her.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 11, 2021 11:41:14 GMT -5
A Jim Croce song, Thursday (written by Joe Saviulo, not sure as to the correct spelling of the last name) Linda could've done in a country vein:
A Neil Diamond song or two, I could've seen Linda doing: Stones from 1971 Red Red Wine from 1966
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 11, 2021 12:25:55 GMT -5
I never heard of The Poppy Family (1968-1973) before. Have to look up origins of the group name. I guess I never heard of them as it says the end of the group was 1973 and I started buying records in like 1974. Loved "Seasons in the Sun" by Terry Jacks. On the album he recorded "I'm Gonna Love You", a song that Blondie did on "Parallel Lines" in 1978. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Oct 11, 2021 18:12:24 GMT -5
Re. "It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels"--If Linda were to have done that song, I'd bet a lot that not only would she not sound like Kitty Wells, but she'd adapt roughly the same honky-tonk C&W/rock sound of, say, her version of "I Fall To Pieces".
Two songs along a progressive rock/new age line:
"Time"--Alan Parsons Project:
"Ocean--Rachel Reinert (from her 2020 album Into The Blue) (Rachel, ironically, is a former member of the C&W group Gloriana):
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:32:11 GMT -5
More like Waylon and Jessi
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 11, 2021 22:39:15 GMT -5
I never heard of The Poppy Family (1968-1973) before. Have to look up origins of the group name. I guess I never heard of them as it says the end of the group was 1973 and I started buying records in like 1974. Loved "Seasons in the Sun" by Terry Jacks. On the album he recorded "I'm Gonna Love You", a song that Blondie did on "Parallel Lines" in 1978. eddiejinnj I've posted the Poppy Family version of Different Drum, which the group (Susan and Terry, plus lead guitarist and sitarist Craig MacPherson and percussionist Satwan Singh) performed on a Canadian TV show in 1968. There are some other performances by the band. The Poppy Family also did a short video of the Supremes's You Keep Me Hangin' On, on a riverboat. The Poppy Family played the Oklahoma State Fair in September 1972 and in an interview with the Oklahoma City Times (then the afternoon edition of the Daily Oklahoman), Susan said Terry came up with the group name while going through a dictionairy. The group's name was originally intended to be Winken, Blinken and Nod and Susan wasn't crazy about that name as she would've had the last part of the billing. Terry actually produced Seasons in the Sun for the Beach Boys and their version was on YouTube last time I checked. Not a great sound. The Beach Boys passed on the song and Terry had to be talked into doing the song. Susan and Terry were divorced by then, but she added the backing vocals to the song and to a few other songs on Terry's solo album, including a co-lead vocal on the song Sail Away.The Poppy Family's biggest single was Which Way You Goin' Billy? It reached number two on both Billboard and Cashbox, kept out of the number one position by Ray Stevens's Everything is Beautiful and the Beatles's last 45, The Long and Winding Road. The irony was the Poppy Family single had outsold both the Ray Stevens single and the Beatles's single and yet, failed to achieve the number one position. Susan is a very nice lady, fan friendly, but she and Terry had a falling out with Terry's lawyer or someone associated with him telling her not to bring up the Poppy Family on her Facebook page. Even though she had been a member of the band. She has had health problems for several years related to her kidneys and is on a waiting list for a kidney transplant. Her brother Billy (he was the inspiration for the song title) donated part of his kidneys. Unfortunately, the kidney is failing and she needs another transplant. Terry is not in great shape either, having had several strokes and other health issues. It's sad to see his reps telling Susan not to be mentioning the group. I don't knwo if he owns the group name but given their health problems, performing together doesn't seem a possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 5:22:54 GMT -5
I have a recording of "Everything Is Beautiful" as a duet sung by George Hamilton IV and Skeeter Davis.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 20:13:05 GMT -5
Found this video. Linda talking up Emmylou's songwriting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 16:33:10 GMT -5
This should have been a Linda song too.
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Post by erik on Oct 13, 2021 18:23:46 GMT -5
Another well-established country standard of the Nashville Sound era that Linda could easily have aced (in my humble opinion, of course) was "Am I That Easy To Forget?", here in Skeeter Davis' 1960 version:
Debbie Reynolds (yes, that Debbie Reynolds, also known as Carrie Fisher's mom) had a pop hit with it that same year, as would Engelbert Humperdinck in the winter of 1967-68.
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Post by MokyWI on Oct 15, 2021 9:09:28 GMT -5
Linda said she started off apologising for success, and was embarassed. Somethings in her childhood must have had a bad psychological effect, enviroment and adults (school and the housekeeper) I expect. Yeah, it’s called Catholic School in the fifties. All my siblings and my parents went to catholic school. My mom said in the 40’s and 50’s most of the nuns were AWFUL, and it wasn’t only the boys who were sexually abused by priests, many girls were as well. At least Linda didn’t have to deal with any of that, just mean nuns. I was raised catholic and we were taught to be humble almost to a fault. Luckily, I came along long after my siblings and by then my parents relaxed as far as sending me to catholic school. I am not knocking ALL catholic schools. I think Linda is self deprecating and modest due to the way she was raised. I much rather see an artist modest like Linda than full of themselves like Madonna.
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Post by erik on Oct 15, 2021 9:19:17 GMT -5
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I do think there is a middle ground that I wish Linda could have seen to stand on: of not feeling that she had to apologize for her success, but being very humble and modest in her own way all the same. Obviously, she could never be as full of herself as Madonna has been, because nobody. in my opinion, has ever been as full of themselves as Madge.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 15, 2021 23:18:23 GMT -5
I was on my Facebook and one of the Linda Ronstadt pages I'm on there, a Canadian fan asked if Linda had ever recorded any Gordon Lightfoot songs. None that I was aware of, but got to thinking if she did, this song would've been perfect for her. With some lyric changes, maybe.
Also this song
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 15, 2021 23:27:11 GMT -5
Another well-established country standard of the Nashville Sound era that Linda could easily have aced (in my humble opinion, of course) was "Am I That Easy To Forget?", here in Skeeter Davis' 1960 version: Debbie Reynolds (yes, that Debbie Reynolds, also known as Carrie Fisher's mom) had a pop hit with it that same year, as would Engelbert Humperdinck in the winter of 1967-68. When someone mentions a song Linda could've done, I go to work right away arranging how that song would've sounded had Linda done the song. Am I That Easy to Forget would've been a good song for Linda. And since you posted the version of the song by the wonderful Skeeter Davis, I decided rather than re-copy the song by her, I'll add the version by Debbie, which I believe was a top five for Debbie in the early 60s. Only in those days could something like that happen. Debbie had an affinity for rock and country music. In Elvis That's the Way It Is, you can see Debbie among the celebrities in attendance. And I would be remiss without mentioning this song I think Linda could've done a good job of singing. This version is by Tracy Huang, a singer the US should've discovered but she was from Thailand, I believe.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 15, 2021 23:41:11 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s called Catholic School in the fifties. All my siblings and my parents went to catholic school. My mom said in the 40’s and 50’s most of the nuns were AWFUL, and it wasn’t only the boys who were sexually abused by priests, many girls were as well. At least Linda didn’t have to deal with any of that, just mean nuns. I was raised catholic and we were taught to be humble almost to a fault. Luckily, I came along long after my siblings and by then my parents relaxed as far as sending me to catholic school. I am not knocking ALL catholic schools. I think Linda is self deprecating and modest due to the way she was raised. I much rather see an artist modest like Linda than full of themselves like Madonna. I wonder if the psychiatrist Linda saw in th early to mid-70s had anything to do with her Catholic upbringing and how she was treated or mistreated by the nuns? Linda in her book doesn't seem to suggest she had anything bad happen to her, but I think with any child in a situation involving child abuse, there is a denial factor within them. A "it never happened to them" sort of denial, even though it did. Just like if you had parents that were rather abusive, you learn to deny your mistreatment as it was said to be for your own good. And having known people who were born from the 30s to the 80s, many of them got beatings, some seriously. Most were forgiving, some were not. I wish I could get a read on Linda on how she was brought up, but what little she has had to say, if anything, doesn't provide the clearest of pictures. She still seems to speak out against her Catholic upbringing but then now has her name as Maria Linda, some sort of Catholic tradition. It only makes sense if Linda is still a practicing Catholic, despite what she says otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 5:59:57 GMT -5
3 women I have known were all at convent schools. My first ever girlfriend was a tomboy, but her mother wanted a house slave, so she was sent to a convent school which destroyed her original character. I only saw her once more after that, her mother's orders.
The 2nd was a manager. She might have been that way anyway, but she disapproved of women working, and was extra harsh on my female colleagues who were working mums, or still young enough to be mothers.
The 3rd was a racist bigot who had family in the SS during WW2. She got into trouble at work for her attitude.
I am glad that Linda sought help. Being self-aware, she must have realised that her school's indoctrination was affecting her career success. Also maybe how to deal with the domineering male enviroment she worked in.
Linda's views in the Wonderland 1977 Dutch documentary show she grasped the situation well, and had her male peers analysed.
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