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Post by JasonKlose on Dec 13, 2015 22:15:44 GMT -5
With the quality of pop artists and music that we are left with today (for the most part anyway), it's hard to believe just how low it has become in the last 30 years. I remember watching the Grammy Awards every year and knowing just about every artist there. Of course I had my favorites, but I can't remember too many that I didn't like. I thought it would be interesting to post this flashback to the '80s with the 1986 Grammy Awards.
Of course the lovely Linda was there, as a presenter with James Taylor for Best Pop Male Vocal Performance. One thing that's interesting to note is the irony here, with Linda and James presenting together, and then one of the nominees being Glenn Frey for "The Heat Is On." So the country-rock Troubadour scene was well represented there.
Kenny Rogers was the host and introduced Linda and James early in the broadcast.....at about the 9:00 minute mark. Linda speaks briefly about Nelson Riddle. The nominees for the category were Sting for "Dream of the Blue Turtles," Paul Young for "Every Time You Go Away," Glenn Frey for "The Heat Is On," Phil Collins for "No Jacket Required," and Stevie Wonder for "Part-Time Lover." Phil Collins won the award, which was well-deserved, as "No Jacket Required" was an outstanding album and probably Phil's masterpiece. I would also say he is my favorite male solo artist, but I'm also a Genesis fan too. Also interesting is that during Phil's speech they show his wife I believe in the audience, and off to the left is Emmylou Harris....at about 12:49.
I just thought this would be something different to post, not just for Linda's appearance, but also for all of those here on the forum that miss this era of musical entertainment as much as I do. I haven't watched the Grammy Awards from beginning to end since probably Linda's last appearance, when she and Aaron Neville won the Grammy for "Don't Know Much" in 1990. Pop music was already starting to change by that point, and in my opinion, it just went downhill from there. Sadly, those days are gone, but the music lasts forever and it's something we can cherish for the rest of our lives.
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Post by Guest on Dec 13, 2015 22:58:51 GMT -5
Thanks a lot. This is great!!!! Do you know if the video of the time Linda won a Grammy ans she was actually there to accept it is available? I think this was in late 1970's.
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Post by JasonKlose on Dec 13, 2015 23:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by rumba on Dec 14, 2015 2:12:30 GMT -5
With the quality of pop artists and music that we are left with today (for the most part anyway), it's hard to believe just how low it has become in the last 30 years. I remember watching the Grammy Awards every year and knowing just about every artist there. Of course I had my favorites, but I can't remember too many that I didn't like. I thought it would be interesting to post this flashback to the '80s with the 1986 Grammy Awards. Of course the lovely Linda was there, as a presenter with James Taylor for Best Pop Male Vocal Performance. One thing that's interesting to note is the irony here, with Linda and James presenting together, and then one of the nominees being Glenn Frey for "The Heat Is On." So the country-rock Troubadour scene was well represented there. Kenny Rogers was the host and introduced Linda and James early in the broadcast.....at about the 9:00 minute mark. Linda speaks briefly about Nelson Riddle. The nominees for the category were Sting for "Dream of the Blue Turtles," Paul Young for "Every Time You Go Away," Glenn Frey for "The Heat Is On," Phil Collins for "No Jacket Required," and Stevie Wonder for "Part-Time Lover." Phil Collins won the award, which was well-deserved, as "No Jacket Required" was an outstanding album and probably Phil's masterpiece. I would also say he is my favorite male solo artist, but I'm also a Genesis fan too. Also interesting is that during Phil's speech they show his wife I believe in the audience, and off to the left is Emmylou Harris....at about 12:49. I just thought this would be something different to post, not just for Linda's appearance, but also for all of those here on the forum that miss this era of musical entertainment as much as I do. I haven't watched the Grammy Awards from beginning to end since probably Linda's last appearance, when she and Aaron Neville won the Grammy for "Don't Know Much" in 1990. Pop music was already starting to change by that point, and in my opinion, it just went downhill from there. Sadly, those days are gone, but the music lasts forever and it's something we can cherish for the rest of our lives. Fun to see that - thanks for posting it! Yikes, what a terrible hairdo - fire the stylist! |
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Post by Belle on Dec 14, 2015 13:39:15 GMT -5
Oh, those were the days... Of bad hair and bad glasses lol. Linda was cute as ever (she appears at 9:35 minutes in). Following Whitney Houston, Madonna's singing was horrible in her nomination clip. Made me feel a little sorry for her. Thanks a lot. This is great!!!! Do you know if the video of the time Linda won a Grammy ans she was actually there to accept it is available? I think this was in late 1970's. I recall in my mind's eye seeing a picture in the mid 70's of Linda at a Grammys, standing with Judy Collins. Linda was wearing a black dress and had a colorful little purse, but I can't find that picture online, it may have been in Rolling Stone mag. The reason I remember it so vividly is because I copied the look for an event back in the day. |
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Post by Bassingermusic on Dec 14, 2015 14:22:27 GMT -5
They've been showing a documentary on The Carpenters on the local PBS Station here in Houston. There's a clip of them winning an award at the Grammys and Linda is seated right behind them and very visible in the clip!
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Post by Goldie on Dec 14, 2015 18:06:08 GMT -5
I think you are talking about this one bassingermusic:
Linda and John Boylan sitting behind Richard and Karen. I posted this before and commented Linda was wearing the same dress she wore on the Andy Williams Show.
Linda is singing Karen and Richard's arrangement of Ticket To Ride here:
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Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2015 23:04:40 GMT -5
Thanks!!!!! This is exactly the event I am referring to. Thanks for the pictures!! I saw the video maybe a year ago in YouTube however it just showed linda walking to get the award and it was cut right before accepting the award and giving the speech. Hopefully now that there is more interest in her maybe we will be seeing more videos of her including this one. |
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Post by JasonKlose on Dec 15, 2015 14:14:17 GMT -5
I wonder what was going on with Linda and John Boylan at the 1970 Grammys. When they were reading off the nominees they showed Richard and Karen Carpenter, and Linda looks spaced out or just bored and disinterested. Then when the Carpenters won the award and stood up to go on stage, Linda said something to John and he said something back. She looked upset. But they weren't applauding for some reason. I thought that was a little strange.
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Post by PoP80 on Dec 15, 2015 15:14:13 GMT -5
Actually, Karen Carpenter rather bored or sullen herself, considering she was a nominee. Maybe they were all having a bad night...
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Post by Belle on Dec 15, 2015 15:26:01 GMT -5
I think they were surprised the Carpenters beat out The Beatles, Chicago, and Jackson 5!
I love Karen Carpenter's voice as much as I love Linda's. I recently read Little Girl Blue:The Life of Karen Carpenter, and was so sad for her. I know from personal experience that emotional turmoil can cause most people to lose their appetite automatically. With sustained turmoil it gradually becomes the norm. Losing weight almost always feels good--especially the praise and admiration you get for it, and you go one step further and decide to stay ahead of the game. The desire to be thin replaces the desire to eat. You lose 10 more before the holidays in case you gain, etc... Then you lose even more at the holidays by not eating, and that's even better! You're way ahead...
With Karen, the emotional turmoil was never ending.
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Post by Goldie on Dec 15, 2015 17:08:38 GMT -5
We skinny people had problems too. Took me 50 years to get up to a weight good for a 5'11" guy. I tried every thing I could to gain weight in my youth to no avail. Maybe that is why I love heavy people even to this day. Just more to love imo. I too absolutely love Karen's voice. When one loses weight like that and isn't replacing the necessary electrolytes, minerals and vitamins then heart attacks, strokes, etc. all become probable. If one has that problem at the very least please take supplementation until you can work it out. I know Olivia Newton John was crushed when Karen died as they were close. Life sucks sometimes.
Belle, what was your favorite song by Karen or the Carpenters? Topping my list is Rainy Days and Mondays and Ticket To Ride. Also like Bless The Beast and the Children. Just about everything she sang was great. And Richard arranged in such a way that really complimented her and the music. Too much for some but I really liked his work.
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Post by Belle on Dec 15, 2015 18:44:45 GMT -5
Ha, I can never pick only one song from Linda or Karen! I listen to the following Carpenters songs on a regular basis lately:
We've only Just Begun
Close To You
Rainy Days and Mondays
Let Me Be The One
For All We Know
Superstar
A Song For You
Hurting Each Other
It's Going to Take Some Time
Goodbye to Love
Bless the Beasts and Children
I Won't Last a Day Without You
This Masquerade
Yesterday Once More
Only Yesterday
There's a Kind of Hush
I Need to Be in Love
And of course her Christmas songs:
Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
Christmas Song (Chestnuts)
Silent Night
Merry Christmas Darling
I'll Be Home for Christmas
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Post by erik on Dec 15, 2015 18:51:46 GMT -5
Quote by CubScout77:
I'd be careful not to read too much into this, especially given since this was a first time (but, of course, no means the last) at the Grammys for Linda (she was up for Best Contemporary Female Vocal, for "Long Long Time"). She probably wasn't sure how to react, is my take on it.
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Post by JasonKlose on Dec 15, 2015 18:56:13 GMT -5
Actually, Karen Carpenter rather bored or sullen herself, considering she was a nominee. Maybe they were all having a bad night... Yeah I noticed that too. She doesn't look very happy at all. Most of them don't seem to be too thrilled about being there. Yes, Karen Carpenter was an extraordinary talent, and it was so tragic what happened to her. I think it was February 1983 when she died....she was only 32. If only more was known about anorexia back then, she could've been helped. Imagine what she would've accomplished in the years since. Sadly, we'll never know the answer to that. I wonder what her brother Richard is doing these days? |
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 15, 2015 21:35:58 GMT -5
 [/quote] I knew Paul Williams was very short, height wise, but I didn't know he was shorter than Linda. But, in this photo, and the other photos of Linda with Paul, I'm thinking she was wearing high heels because she was almost as tall as Ringo. And Ringo is only 5'8"! According to Paul's entry on the internet movie database, he is the same height as Linda, 5'2". Still, I have to believe if Linda took off the shoes she wore that night, she would still have been taller than Paul. And I don't want anyone thinking I'm slagging Paul, the guy is an amazing pop songwriter. His songs in the late 60s and early 70s were like the run of success Jimmy Webb had in the mid-to-late 60s. Both were singers but both were an acquired taste as to their singing. Their greatest accomplishments came with the songs they wrote that other artists performed. They demonstrated non-writing artists need talented songwriters who are better at writing songs than singing them. |
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Post by rumba on Dec 15, 2015 21:37:00 GMT -5
Quote by CubScout77: I'd be careful not to read too much into this, especially given since this was a first time (but, of course, no means the last) at the Grammys for Linda (she was up for Best Contemporary Female Vocal, for "Long Long Time"). She probably wasn't sure how to react, is my take on it. It's wise not to read Anything from someone's facial expressions especially at award shows. Everyone is generally really nervous especially with a camera in their face. |
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 15, 2015 21:52:06 GMT -5
Yes, Karen Carpenter was an extraordinary talent, and it was so tragic what happened to her. I think it was February 1983 when she died....she was only 32. If only more was known about anorexia back then, she could've been helped. Imagine what she would've accomplished in the years since. Sadly, we'll never know the answer to that. I wonder what her brother Richard is doing these days? I was shocked upon hearing that Karen had died and that the cause was anorexia nervosa, which I don't remember hearing about at any time prior to Karen's death. It was like a new disease had sprung up overnight. She was said to suffer from low self esteem and didn't think she was especially attractive, which was surprising. I thought she was cute and a lot of guys my age also felt the same way. I don't know what she would've accomplished had she not died. The Carpenters were experiencing a down turn in their popularity at the time of Karen's death, although they could've turned it around and been on the top of the charts again. But, that is something that's unknowable, the ultimate what if story. It would've been nice to think the Carpenters would've done it again but there would always have been a chance they were done as hitmakers. |
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Post by Dianna on Dec 15, 2015 23:20:18 GMT -5
I wonder what was going on with Linda and John Boylan at the 1970 Grammys. When they were reading off the nominees they showed Richard and Karen Carpenter, and Linda looks spaced out or just bored and disinterested. Then when the Carpenters won the award and stood up to go on stage, Linda said something to John and he said something back. She looked upset. But they weren't applauding for some reason. I thought that was a little strange. Maybe she didn't hear the winners name by Cassidy..then asked Boylan..""who?". Karen & Richard both got up afterwards..and it seems like boylan is signaling to Linda.. They did.. I don't think it was anything catty.. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 16, 2015 9:27:06 GMT -5
You could see something was very wrong by the cover of I think there last album was like 1982 I believe. It wasn't a blockbuster so maybe not as many people saw it. Also, tmk it is a progressive disease and of course you see its ravages the most towards the end. They were not as visible as a group then and by the end they may have been hiding/protecting Karen. It was a real shame. God bless her soul and rest in peace. I thought she was spot on singing wise. She just had a little deep of a voice to put her over the top like my admiration for Linda's voice. eddiejinnj
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Post by JasonKlose on Dec 16, 2015 11:48:57 GMT -5
I wonder what was going on with Linda and John Boylan at the 1970 Grammys. When they were reading off the nominees they showed Richard and Karen Carpenter, and Linda looks spaced out or just bored and disinterested. Then when the Carpenters won the award and stood up to go on stage, Linda said something to John and he said something back. She looked upset. But they weren't applauding for some reason. I thought that was a little strange. Maybe she didn't hear the winners name by Cassidy..then asked Boylan..""who?". Karen & Richard both got up afterwards..and it seems like boylan is signaling to Linda.. They did.. I don't think it was anything catty.. You could be right. Linda was very shy then and still is today somewhat. Like Erik said, maybe she didn't know how to react, with it being her first Grammy Awards. I don't think she was ever that comfortable being in front of a camera and on television anyway. |
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Post by Dianna on Dec 16, 2015 17:10:34 GMT -5
You could be right. Linda was very shy then and still is today somewhat. Like Erik said, maybe she didn't know how to react, with it being her first Grammy Awards. I don't think she was ever that comfortable being in front of a camera and on television anyway. Yes and given Linda's feelings towards awards, competitions and trophies I don't think she'd care one way or the other who the winner was. |
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Post by erik on Dec 16, 2015 18:33:56 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
Well, like I said, this was fairly early on in her career; and her famous comment about awards shows ("Competition is for race horses, not artists") wasn't until after she had won her second Grammy (Best Pop Female Vocal for Hasten Down The Wind) in February 1977. In far too many ways, however, her feelings towards awards shows have been proven right, as they have devolved into unnecessary cat fights among artists, which makes for great tabloid fodder (witness Kanye West rudely [and racially] interrupting Taylor Swift at the 2010 VMAs, and basically making the Anodyne Aphrodite of Autotune a permanent household name right then and there if she wasn't one already).
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Post by Mitchell on May 21, 2023 15:00:04 GMT -5
I am sure Linda was delighted to see the Carpenters win their Grammy Award for Best Pop Vocal 1971. At the awards ceremony television broadcast, Linda was seated with John Boylan, her producer/manager at the time, directly behind Karen and Richard. Both these artist are very "non-diva" or un-showy personalities. Linda has stated several times that she is not so interested in getting industry awards, but making quality recordings.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 22, 2023 9:12:00 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, Mitchell, and thank you for your input. eddiejinnj
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