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Post by fabtastique on Nov 13, 2015 14:03:22 GMT -5
hereLinda comes in at number 57 - a very respectful performance I think!
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Post by Richard W on Nov 13, 2015 17:20:04 GMT -5
Right behind Paul McCartney!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 18:03:03 GMT -5
This seems to be based more on chart sales than artistic merit...i.e Taylor Swift, Chicago and Herb Alpert (!) in the top 10??
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Post by erik on Nov 13, 2015 18:39:57 GMT -5
Quote by robertaxel:
Well, Taylor Swift's placing in the Top 10 is extremely suspicious, even if we are going by hit singles. But I would suspect, yes, that these are based on chart statistics; that's what Billboard is there for. As for Chicago and Herb Alpert--keep in mind that Alpert's success dates all the way back to his Tijuana Brass albums of the 1960s, which at times even outsold those of the Beatles; and Chicago, like many artists that came from the late 1960s onward, was as much an album band as a singles band.
Yes, Linda's placement is galling (#57??), but that she's even acknowledged by statisticians at even a fraction of the level that peers have recognized her over her career is kind of a miracle (IMHO).
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 13, 2015 20:22:28 GMT -5
I agree erik, that I believe that she should be higher but still out of the thousands of artists since say 1940 it is high placement when I perceive it that way. She is above some impressive artists and there are ones I would rank lower than her. eddiejinnj
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Post by Goldie on Nov 13, 2015 23:38:29 GMT -5
Here is a list of the Female Artists in order from that list:
BARBRA STREISAND
MARIAH CAREY
TAYLOR SWIFT
WHITNEY HOUSTON
MADONNA
CELINE DION
JANET JACKSON
CAROLE KING
MILEY CYRUS
ADELE
BRITNEY SPEARS
SHANIA TWAIN
CARRIE UNDERWOOD
THE SUPREMES
ALICIA KEYS
LINDA RONSTADT
MARY J. BLIGE
ARETHA FRANKLIN
BEYONCE
NORAH JONES
P!NK
DIXIE CHICKS
HEART
LADY GAGA
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Post by fabtastique on Nov 14, 2015 1:15:48 GMT -5
Bearing in mind Linda has been "retired" pretty much for 15 years I thought it was good she was mentioned .... I wasn't going to open the can of worms on the validity of other peoples rankings, some highly suspicious (!) but I was pleased to see Linda on there.
Looking at their list of the great 200 albums of all time .... I started to weep though. [sigh]
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 19, 2015 17:34:04 GMT -5
is it possible for you to post link for second 100 on that list or are there copyright infringements? eddiejinnj
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Post by vikingfan on Nov 20, 2015 6:57:03 GMT -5
Not sure if this is solely based on sales. Adele is only now releasing her third album but is ranked ahead of Linda? That seems odd. Taylor Swift I can kind of see as she's had several HUGE hit singles.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 20, 2015 8:33:10 GMT -5
The Who being number 80 surprised me. Most lists would not put Janet above Linda. No Cher in the top 100 (maybe in the 2nd 100). I don't know what to say re: Miley Cyrus. I don't know her music at all though I see her in the news every day. eddiejinnj
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Post by Partridge on Nov 28, 2015 1:00:45 GMT -5
Here is an attempt at explaining the algorithm that decides the placement of these artists:  |
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Post by Pete on Nov 29, 2015 16:46:06 GMT -5
"MARIAH CAREY, JANET JACKSON, BRITNEY SPEARS, SHANIA TWAIN, ALICIA KEYS, LINDA RONSTADT"
I agree that these women are listed but not the rest.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 29, 2015 17:24:33 GMT -5
Damien, can I ask why, Britney Spears? eddiejinnj
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Post by Pete on Nov 30, 2015 6:10:46 GMT -5
For me, those six women have all been consistently good with their albums and a lot of them being masterpieces.
I'm 31 and I've grown up listening to all these women (with the exception of Linda Ronstadt as I only became a fan late last year) and I don't think a lot of people (of all ages) give Britney the credit she deserves. She's the youngest artist to have residency in Las Vegas and the show has also been very successful. She makes excellent Pop music and yeah she lip syncs but so does Janet Jackson and as I do think when the level of choreography these two women put on that lip syncing can be forgiven. I think Britney is awesome.
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Post by erik on Nov 30, 2015 10:46:49 GMT -5
I can't dispute that Britney and Janet are able to do dance moves and choreography like nobody's business, although even that is prone to unforeseen mishaps (Jane's "wardrobe malfunction" at Super Bowl 38 in 2004 being the prime example of such).
At the risk of sounding like I'm bashing Britney and Janet, however (and I have to admit I've never been a fan of either), I don't think anyone who calls themselves a singer can rely on choreography, flash, pyrotechnics, and such without running into the immovable wall of vocal projection, and having people wonder whether you can legitimately justify it all, even on the basis of mere entertainment. With all the great female singers we've had over the decades, Linda being is one of those, in the final analysis there is simply no way of getting around that.
Setting aside Britney or Janet, there's probably no better example in our current age that I can think of in this issue than Taylor Swift. Again, this is someone of whom no one can legitimately dispute is someone who knows how to put on a hell of a show, and who sells records/CDs left and right like crazy. But it's also because of all of this that she has come under heavy and legitimate criticism, particularly following that debacle she had at the 2010 Grammy Awards performing alongside Stevie Nicks, for not having a voice that is anywhere good enough to stand on its own without needing to be run through a lot of studio processing.
Linda, while she wasn't the flashiest of all performers in what she does (in fact, she had one of the strongest cases of stage fright of any performer ever), relied almost exclusively on what she was given, which was a voice whose range was far and wide, from alto to soprano, even coloratura soprano. And despite (or perhaps because) of her shyness, she became the model of what a lot of aspiring female singers wanted to do.
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Post by Goldie on Nov 30, 2015 12:47:09 GMT -5
If a singer is dancing and lip syncing then basically you are going to watch her dance. It then makes one think "can they actually sing outside of the studio?" But if you really like the singer does it matter? I admit I get more of a thrill from live singing and in Linda's case would not want to see her dance, at all lol. When you have a voice like Linda's or Barbra's or Aretha or one of the other greats you don't want to hear records during a live performance and dancing is secondary if at all. I don't understand Miley Cyrus being on the list but I have never heard her sing so I guess I will have to do that.
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Post by PoP80 on Nov 30, 2015 14:18:58 GMT -5
That's just it...the emphasis has become being a performer first and the singing part is secondary for many of these pop culture idols. I always enjoyed Linda's concerts, even when she just stood there and sang. Her voice was so expressive and powerful that it didn't require all that superfluous pomp and circumstance. Speaking of Carly Simon (from the other thread), she also suffered from tremendous stage fright and hardly performed. It's admirable that Linda pushed herself to overcome this and rose to the challenge.
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Post by Pete on Nov 30, 2015 16:02:28 GMT -5
BRITNEY SPEARS YOU GOT IT ALL
I think this is one of Britney's best vocal performances, from her 2nd album Oops!...I Did It Again 
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 30, 2015 18:52:00 GMT -5
well, the list is technically not a critique of the artists voice/abilities. Tony posted that it is sales and chart positioned based. though several of us question people's inclusion based on sales of some newer artists. eddiejinnj
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Post by moon on Nov 30, 2015 18:56:52 GMT -5
Hello Erik
what happened at the 2010 Grammy awards with T Swift and
Stevie Nicks. never saw it or heard about it...
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Post by erik on Nov 30, 2015 20:06:50 GMT -5
Quote by moon: T-Swift had what could charitably be called an "off night" vocal wise when she duetted with the Welsh Witch of Phoenix, Arizona on the 2010 Grammys, and a whole lot of people chimed in about it, both pro and con, while the thing was in progress and of course long afterwards: theboot.com/taylor-swifts-grammy-performance/ |
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Post by rumba on Dec 1, 2015 4:15:49 GMT -5
That's just it...the emphasis has become being a performer first and the singing part is secondary for many of these pop culture idols. I always enjoyed Linda's concerts, even when she just stood there and sang. Her voice was so expressive and powerful that it didn't require all that superfluous pomp and circumstance. Speaking of Carly Simon (from the other thread), she also suffered from tremendous stage fright and hardly performed. It's admirable that Linda pushed herself to overcome this and rose to the challenge. My favorite period for Linda as a performer was around 1970. I saw her a few times then and she was looser on stage and more in her body. She actually moved and danced around a bit and sang great and looked great. Something changed in the next few years and she barely moved on stage and sang often with her eyes closed. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 1, 2015 8:46:19 GMT -5
As the years went on her audiences got larger and larger. More attention was paid to her. I get tunnel vision when that happens to me (of course on a much lesser degree). IMO, with Linda, it depended on the concert. Some concerts she walked around some and sang; some she stayed close to the mic. Others she engaged with the band quite a bit. I did not see her in the 70's. I, for new members, first saw Linda at Rutgers for the Mad Love tour in '80. eddiejinnj
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