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Post by Dianna on Oct 21, 2014 14:34:23 GMT -5
Blake Shelton must be a Linda Fan....
Contestant Taylor Brashears talks a bit about Linda
You're No Good Performance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 15:58:28 GMT -5
As much as I dislike these shows, I am glad to see young performers give tribute to La Ronstadt...
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Post by Dianna on Oct 21, 2014 16:23:20 GMT -5
As much as I dislike these shows, I am glad to see young performers give tribute to La Ronstadt... Totally! It also makes one realize Linda is a very tough act to follow. In all the years I don't think I've ever heard a version of You're no Good, that can touch Linda's (including originals.) |
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Post by erik on Oct 21, 2014 17:25:51 GMT -5
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His "missus" might be, but I have my doubts about him. Linda's name does seem to have become an easy one to toss around on these voice competition shows the last couple of years, and that's what he seems to be doing...especially, and strangely enough, because "You're No Good" isn't really "country."
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Post by POP80 on Oct 21, 2014 17:39:10 GMT -5
Those ladies didn't do the song justice and it certainly reinforced Linda's singing prowess. It seems like Gwen Stefani might be a fan, since she mentioned that she loves the song (no doubt).
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 21, 2014 18:48:50 GMT -5
Taylor said she was her all-time favorite. how cool!!!!!! good taste. she should be part of the forum. wonder if she has a facebook page that somebody can invite her here. I am not presently nor will I be on facebook but just am planting the idea for those that are. would be neat to have her as a member here. eddiejinnj
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Post by charlotte on Oct 21, 2014 21:41:45 GMT -5
Never watched these shows. Glad the yungins respect and recognize Linda Ronstadt. As someone else said "Ronstadt songs are notoriously hard to sing without flaws . . ." That is why Linda is Linda - a magical instrument that soars and sails and wraps a melody is a cushion of softness or strength, sometimes both in the same song. Wish these girls all the luck in the world but this confirms my desire to keep away from such competitions. They haven't a clue to my ears.
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Post by erik on Oct 21, 2014 22:34:25 GMT -5
Quote by eddieinnj re. Taylor Brashears: Since you asked: www.facebook.com/taylorbrashearsmusicI don't doubt Taylor's sincerity about Linda, by the way. But like Charlotte, I'm dubious of these voice competitions; and as Linda herself has said on any number of occasions, dating back to when she won her second Grammy, competition is for horse races, not artists. |
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Post by Dianna on Oct 21, 2014 23:53:36 GMT -5
Yes Erik.. most here realize these talent shows suck. My point is Linda was mentioned on a mainstream tv program. I don't care how sincere the motives are, fact is our girl is getting air time..
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 22, 2014 6:57:07 GMT -5
thanks erik!!!! I can't post anything but if anybody is interested one could tell her about this site. thanks!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by Richard W on Oct 22, 2014 7:23:54 GMT -5
The good news: Thanks to Taylor for the Linda shout-out, and the show for bringing this song to the attention of a new generation.
The bad news: The performances sucked, in Bree's case literally, where her intake of breath sounded like someone having an asthma attack. Neither one captured anything the song has to offer, and Stefani is correct in her assessment of the performances and how they mangled the melody.
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Post by moon on Oct 22, 2014 9:20:51 GMT -5
Their performance on the Voice only reinforces what a great rare voice LR has.
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Post by erik on Oct 22, 2014 9:41:04 GMT -5
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Absolutely, of course; a shout-out for Linda anywhere can only be a good thing. I guess I'm such a cynical person about these things.
Quote by Richard W:
It really raises suspicions in me that these women are being forced by the judges into a narrow way of doing this song in a way that just doesn't jibe in any naturalistic way with the way Linda just launched into it back in 1974; and it also raises concerns whether either one of the judges, even G.S., ever really listened to that classic recording and studied it, like Trisha or Martina.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 22, 2014 10:39:44 GMT -5
regarding the girls performance of YNG.. I agree with Richard about what Gwen said.. they should have left the simple melody alone... but that said, having watched these type of shows over the years.. you're damned if you do and don't. had they kept the melody the same as Linda's, one of the coach's would have have complained, the girls didn't "make it their own.". maybe that' what they were trying to do. I know G.S. is a fan of emmy lou (her parents were huge folk fans) and with her comments and even singing an example, it did sound like she knew the song pretty well.
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Post by POP80 on Oct 22, 2014 11:35:12 GMT -5
It seemed to me that Taylor was trying to emulate Linda, but that's a tall order. Blake didn't do them any favors by choosing that song because no matter what, it would have paled in comparison. Sorry---no good...
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Post by Richard W on Oct 22, 2014 12:01:49 GMT -5
Besides the vocals (especially Bree and her affected, wheezing vacuum voice), neither singer caught the groove. I'm glad the song was performed and Linda's name thrown out there, but disappointed by the insincere and soulless performances. Neither seemed to feel what the song was about.
Just shows how much talent and technique it takes to take a straight-up melody and sing it with committed gusto and genuine soul.
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Post by travis222 on Oct 22, 2014 13:03:42 GMT -5
After listening to the performances, I literally had to put on Heart Like a Wheel,first song. Those girls sang the song like two young girls would sing it. Linda sang it like a talented, passionate woman would sing it. Good luck to them, but I think teen pop/lite music is their future...not that there is anything wrong with that...LOL
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Post by Goldie on Oct 23, 2014 5:45:24 GMT -5
I actually liked Bree's version better and as far as competition goes unlike Linda I think it is a good thing. There is so much talent out there these days, more than ever before and it is so dog eat dog that if they can't battle it out on a tv show competition then they will never make it in the real world. This kind of competition has been going on for years it just has a sharper edge. Remember Star Search? how about those 50's and 60's talent shows? This strengthens the singers.
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Post by lance on Oct 23, 2014 11:59:00 GMT -5
Actually Blake got it right! Heart Like A Wheel was #1 on the Pop and Country album charts! Reba McEntire even recorded a version in the late 90's! So the song really does cross genres.
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Post by Richard W on Oct 23, 2014 14:22:14 GMT -5
I actually liked Bree's version better and as far as competition goes unlike Linda I think it is a good thing. There is so much talent out there these days, more than ever before and it is so dog eat dog that if they can't battle it out on a tv show competition then they will never make it in the real world. This kind of competition has been going on for years it just has a sharper edge. Remember Star Search? how about those 50's and 60's talent shows? This strengthens the singers. I would argue, Goldie, that they aren't making it in the "real world." They go from obscurity to 15 minutes (plus or minus) of fame with fame being the goal. People being people, I'd also add that talent has always been around in about the same proportion as today, it's just that there are more venues to put that talent (and I use the term loosely for the large part) on display. Previously, a person had to earn their fame and, in the process, develop their talent by perseverance and hard work. That process separated the grain from the chaff (generally speaking). Now it's just so many musical "lottery instant winners" who are foisted on the TV way before whatever nascent talent they may have has a chance to develop and mature. It's not about talent, it's about TV. As for Bree's alleged talent, I'll just say it sounds as if someone (everyone?) told her she has a "smoky" voice and now she affects that quality to make her stand out. I mean, just listen to her opening lines on YNG; there's nothing genuine about that performance; she's simply trying to sell that "smoky" commodity that people keep reinforcing and completely smothers the song with it. She's not selling the song, she's forcing the song to sell her, and it all comes across (to me!) as artificial, to say nothing of superficial. |
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Post by Dianna on Oct 23, 2014 17:02:17 GMT -5
Richard W. I agree with you for the most part. but you always makes sense. ha ha.. Only thing, most of these kids have worked hard getting their own music heard and trying to build a fanbase. Many of them are in bands and have been performing for some time so most are professional singers/musicians made to sing karaoke, I wish they'd actually sing their own stuff (the ones that write) . These talent shows are simply another way to get what they need.. a bigger fan base. In terms of super stardom, if that's what they're aiming for, when you look at the odds, it's very slim. Aside Carrie U. and Kelly C. there isn't anyone else who have had major success.
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Post by Richard W on Oct 23, 2014 17:46:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Dianna, for the vote of confidence!
You make sense, too.
But can I say that expecting the big break, fame, etc., before you're even 20 years old means that you've been chasing your dream for, what, five, six years? Less if you're younger than that.
While I say, good for you if you decide to take these shows up on their offers of exposure (why not?), I think that exposure is more often than not premature, and engender premature expectations of instant fame.
Ideally, the fame should follow, not be chased for its own sake.
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Post by charlotte on Oct 23, 2014 17:47:26 GMT -5
Richard, as someone who just experienced this Voice competion I fully agree. The "coaching" thing is, for me, kind of creepy. Just as the judging on American Idol seems hostile. And I could tolerate a qood talent show - even enjoyed some rather rowdy nights at the Apollo. I really think these shows have little to do with singing or music -they are style/wanna be celebrity competitions with the drama manufactured. But to Dianna's point, I don't want to be the old lady on the lawn telling the neighbors kids to stop having fun and confiscating that ball that keeps landing on my doorstep. I suspect there are folks who appear that are interested in getting ahead in a tough field. None the less the coaches and premise is what chilled me the most.
Speaking of Creepy and Weird -thanx Dianna for the American Horror Story tip. I am hooked! I was a big admirer of Tod Browning back in film school who did the classic film "Freaks". Can't wait for the next episodes.
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Post by POP80 on Oct 23, 2014 19:44:39 GMT -5
The problem is that there are too many shows of this type, so it's not possible for all these contestants to achieve major success. There are some talented people out there, but how much originality can there be after a while. I would much rather listen to a true artist than a manufactured star assigned to a major label. Linda was unique in that she didn't seek fame, but lucky for us, her music career took off.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 23, 2014 21:33:30 GMT -5
I don't want to be the old lady on the lawn telling the neighbors kids to stop having fun and confiscating that ball that keeps landing on my doorstep. Speaking of Creepy and Weird -thanx Dianna for the American Horror Story tip. I am hooked! I was a big admirer of Tod Browning back in film school who did the classic film "Freaks". Can't wait for the next episodes. Ha! That made me laugh Oh good, I'm glad you like the show. I think Ryan Murphy has done a great job. I started watching Season 2 Asylum, then we bought the dvd for Season 1, Murder house. I love how each season it is a different story, most of the same actors but with each series change characters. |
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Post by Dianna on Oct 23, 2014 21:42:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Dianna, for the vote of confidence! You make sense, too. But can I say that expecting the big break, fame, etc., before you're even 20 years old means that you've been chasing your dream for, what, five, six years? Less if you're younger than that. While I say, good for you if you decide to take these shows up on their offers of exposure (why not?), I think that exposure is more often than not premature, and engender premature expectations of instant fame. Ideally, the fame should follow, not be chased for its own sake. True, but in todays music business, they keep getting younger and younger. I think they are all looking for "their big break," and this is another platform to get your name and talent out there.. I guess if I wanted it that badly I might do the same. Maybe if circumstances were different and if young Linda were starting out today, she too might have given it a shot (I have no doubt she would have won or got a big contract too) The Winning or doing well in a talent show means nothing if you can't sustain an audience and gain new fans afterwards. even if all she ever wanted to do was just sing and have enough money to pay the bills. |
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Post by erik on Oct 23, 2014 22:25:41 GMT -5
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One of the problems I have always had with these competition shows is that, when it comes to the female contestants, there is often an encouragement on the part of the judges, especially on American Idol, to get these women to hit every high note in existence a la Whitney, Mariah, and Celine. Just speaking for myself, I just don't think the world needs any more divas of that kind, the ones who think that their every fiber of their being rests on a few big notes. I suppose my feelings about these televised singing contests accounted for the initial knee-jerk reaction to the very idea of Idol's best-known female winner Carrie Underwood appearing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and singing "Different Drum" during the segment devoted to Linda; and I must say I was very pleased by her strong but effective (and not overdone) performance of it, arguably the highlight of the entire show.
But I really think that if you're going to have these TV vocal talent competitions, the contestants ought to show what they themselves are to the world and let the audience judge, instead of just trying to squeeze them into some kind of pre-conceived "package", a trend that I think makes so much of today's pop music as generic and as repetitious as I feel it is.
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Post by POP80 on Oct 24, 2014 10:26:16 GMT -5
But I really think that if you're going to have these TV vocal talent competitions, the contestants ought to show what they themselves are to the world and let the audience judge, instead of just trying to squeeze them into some kind of pre-conceived "package", a trend that I think makes so much of today's pop music as generic and as repetitious as I feel it is.
The downside is when the audience participates, it often becomes a popularity contest, rather than judging the talent. I know what you mean about the hitting high notes, which can become a screaming contest (sometimes less is more). Carrie Underwood is the real deal and I think she will have a long successful career. Most of the others have or will eventually fade away, although some have crossed over into Broadway (i.e. Fantasia, Constantine Maroulis).
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Post by Dianna on Oct 24, 2014 10:50:57 GMT -5
But I really think that if you're going to have these TV vocal talent competitions, the contestants ought to show what they themselves are to the world and let the audience judge, instead of just trying to squeeze them into some kind of pre-conceived "package", a trend that I think makes so much of today's pop music as generic and as repetitious as I feel it is.The downside is when the audience participates, it often becomes a popularity contest, rather than judging the talent. I know what you mean about the hitting high notes, which can become a screaming contest (sometimes less is more). Carrie Underwood is the real deal and I think she will have a long successful career. Most of the others have or will eventually fade away, although some have crossed over into Broadway (i.e. Fantasia, Constantine Maroulis). Erik.. I think many of the contestants try to. it's only when the judges or the coaches screw these kids up and pick them apart limb by limb trying to make them into something they are not.. I have no problem with constructive criticism but last season on American Idol I wanted to slap J-Lo and Keith Urban with their stupid suggestions to the contestants, 1 in particular. she was fine, obviously they liked her enough in the auditions to put her through, and she sang her own song, but not everyone moves around on stage, this girl stood there with her guitar and just sang. I was feeling her, but apparently, per j lo she needed to dance around.. that clearly wasn't her style ..and with these shows those judges are a big influence on the audience and affects voting, they parrot what that j lo says. |
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Post by erik on Oct 24, 2014 13:59:54 GMT -5
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And I happen to agree that a lot of these contestants want to be who they really are, but, when confronted by "judges" like J-Lo and Keith Urban (neither of whom I'd ever give a damn about), they then listen too much to advice that I personally think is full of faults. Not everyone can be a Whitney, Mariah, or Celine (nor should they), nor can they necessarily strut their stuff like MJ and his Moonwalk.
My God, just let these singers be themselves, for crying out loud!
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