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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 11, 2021 12:49:14 GMT -5
I had thought I posted on this thread this morning but maybe I didn't send it. I had said I particularly liked the Vocal Lesson vid. Thanks for posting, all!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by PoP80 on Jul 11, 2021 16:34:31 GMT -5
Not to mention how Beth highlights Linda's vocal style as exemplary for her "Vocal Coach 101" lesson. She was captivated by every note, even though this analysis would surely make Linda cringe. Why would it make her cringe? I don't think Linda would enjoy anybody studying her so closely and critiquing her vocals that way, especially since she thought her singing was awful in those days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 17:55:18 GMT -5
Why would it make her cringe? I don't think Linda would enjoy anybody studying her so closely and critiquing her vocals that way, especially since she thought her singing was awful in those days. The self-biter being bit? Possibly being used as a good example might displease Linda. However she had acquired some singing experience by then already, and had developed some skill by the time of that performance. For a beginner singers, which is who Beth is talking to, Linda seems a good model. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 18:09:14 GMT -5
The original release of Different Drum on the first pressing of the LP differed in length from the 45 RPM version and all subsequently released versions of the song in that the music interlude was different. This original version ran 2:45 instead of 2:38 or less. The compact disc pressings of Evergreen Vol 2 have the shortened 45 version. If anyone is interested in having this original version, I am providing the link below for a limited time. This is converted to mp3. If anyone would prefer a flac or wav version, let me know. Download link: we.tl/t-Y2iVRbr6sh It is 2:45 on ".... A Retrospective" LP-only album, but 2:38 on Greatest Hits. Also 2:45 on "Evergreen 2" CD and "Box (CD) Set". "A Retrospective" also has longer &/or different takes of "Some of Shelley's Blues" and "Silver Threads". www.discogs.com/Linda-Ronstadt-A-Retrospective/release/2305473 |
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 11, 2021 23:20:57 GMT -5
The original release of Different Drum on the first pressing of the LP differed in length from the 45 RPM version and all subsequently released versions of the song in that the music interlude was different. This original version ran 2:45 instead of 2:38 or less. The compact disc pressings of Evergreen Vol 2 have the shortened 45 version. If anyone is interested in having this original version, I am providing the link below for a limited time. This is converted to mp3. If anyone would prefer a flac or wav version, let me know. Download link: we.tl/t-Y2iVRbr6sh It is 2:45 on ".... A Retrospective" LP-only album, but 2:38 on Greatest Hits. Also 2:45 on "Evergreen 2" CD and "Box (CD) Set". "A Retrospective" also has longer &/or different takes of "Some of Shelley's Blues" and "Silver Threads". www.discogs.com/Linda-Ronstadt-A-Retrospective/release/2305473I couldn't get the song to play, but as to the 2:45 version of Different Drum, is that the version with the harpsichord break in the middle played twice in the song with an extra bar of the music of harpsichord played before the first part of the harpsichord break is repeated? Or is the harpsichord just played through one time and the extension of the song is achieved through mastering the song at a slightly slower speed, with the 2:38 version being the single version of the song? The only difference to the version of Some of Shelly's Blues between the albums Linda Ronstadt, the Stone Poneys and Friends, Different Drum and Linda Ronstadt A Retrospective was one of the versions featured a steel guitar. Believe that was on the Different Drum album. All three versions of the song on the three albums had roughly the same run time, 2:04 to 2:10. I've never been able to locate a three minute version of the song on any copy of Different Drum. ANd believe me, I have tried locating a three minute version of the song. Something else I have wondered about Some of Shelly's Blues is whether Nick Venet produced the session for the song? Or if the session was produced by its composer, Michael Nesmith? Nesmith produced a Monkees version of his song Nine Times Blue, and it almost has the same feel as Linda's version of Some of Shelly's Blues. Maybe Nesmith gave Linda a session tape copy for Some of Selly's Blues as a thank you for Different Drum. A Monkees version of Some of Shelly's Blues would remain unreleased until 1991. And Nesmith's own solo version would not be recorded and released until 1973. However, a bare bones version of the song of just himself and Red Rhoades on steel would be recorded in 1972, but not made available by Sony/RCA until just a couple of years ago as a download. ANd just released this year in CD form. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 7:14:30 GMT -5
Full 4 verse for male singers lyrics are;
Well, you and I
Travel to the beat of a different drum
Can't you tell by the way I run
Every time you make eyes at me
Yes, you cry and moan
And say it'll work out
But honey child, I've got my doubts
You can't see the forest for the trees
Now don't get me wrong
It's not that I knock it
It's just that I am not in the market
For a girl
Who wants to love only me
And I'm not saying that you ain't pretty
All's I'm saying's that I'm not ready
For any person place or thing
To try and pull the reins
In on me
Well, I feel pretty sure
That you'll find a man
Who will take a lot more than I ever could or can
And you'll settle down with him
And I know that you'll be happy
So goodbye
I'm a-leavin'
I see no sense in you cryin' and grievin'
We'll both live a lot longer
If you live without me, babe
(Ah, go 'head)
Well, I feel pretty sure
That you'll find a man
Who will take a lot more than I ever could or can
And you'll settle down with him
And I know that you'll be happy
So goodbye
I'm a-leavin'
I see no sense in you cryin and grievin'
We'll both live a lot longer
If you live without me, babe
If you live without me, woman, woo
If you live with out me
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Post by Biff McFly on Jul 12, 2021 9:03:49 GMT -5
I was watching the lyrics of Different Drum while listening to the long version of Different Drum. It struck me that Different Drum is the true theme song of Linda's life. Especially the line about pulling in the reins in on me. The harpsichord break is so much better in the long version. It doesn't properly resolve in the short version. I haven't heard the long version in decades. The long version should have been in the box set. Naughty whoever for not putting the long version in the box set or in one of the other greatest hit thingies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:10:03 GMT -5
I was watching the lyrics of Different Drum while listening to the long version of Different Drum. It struck me that Different Drum is the true theme song of Linda's life. Especially the line about pulling in the reins in on me. The harpsichord break is so much better in the long version. It doesn't properly resolve in the short version. I haven't heard the long version in decades. The long version should have been in the box set. Naughty whoever for not putting the long version in the Box Set or in one of the other greatest hit thingies. I have played my Box Set & Evergreen CD tracks, both the same, both the shorter. So much for track times on the packaging.  Ditto the Retrospective LP So where can I find the full length DD on vinyl? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 13:04:52 GMT -5
See the reply from "Marty from Michigan" on this page www.songfacts.com/facts/linda-ronstadt/different-drumMarty from Michigan "I have (2) Evergreen 2 LP's. One of them is a Scranton pressing and Different Drum is the long version. My other version is LA pressing and Different Drum is a short version like the 45 single. What continues to be strange about this is they both say they are 2:45 long." So that probably explains how the short versions are given the full length times, Capitol was confused. Evergreen Vol.2 was released in both stereo & mono versions. It could be that the mono has the longer DD. |
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 12, 2021 14:27:32 GMT -5
For whatever reason, the file doesn't play on my computer. I actually have the extended version on vinyl; it's a Capitol Records Club edition, which I got in 1971. What I believe is the extended version was released by mistake, possibly limited to one pressing plant, maybe two. It seems to be an ultra rare edition and those of us who have the copies could probably get some big bucks for what we have. Except that it would be over my dead body before I ever sold it. |
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 12, 2021 14:40:55 GMT -5
See the reply from "Marty from Michigan" on this page www.songfacts.com/facts/linda-ronstadt/different-drumMarty from Michigan "I have (2) Evergreen 2 LP's. One of them is a Scranton pressing and Different Drum is the long version. My other version is LA pressing and Different Drum is a short version like the 45 single. What continues to be strange about this is they both say they are 2:45 long." So that probably explains how the short versions are given the full length times, Capitol was confused. Evergreen Vol.2 was released in both stereo & mono versions. It could be that the mono has the longer DD. Just now saw that you have two copies of the extended version of Different Drum. As I was saying maybe the extended version was released by mistake, but as to the longer version being a mono copy, my copy is a stereo copy. Capitol albums in the 60s released in mono would be cataloged with a T preceding the catalog number; stereo copies would be released with an ST preceding the catalog number. I've tried to find and acquire a mono copy of Evergreen, Vol. 2 to see if it contained the extended version of DD. I'm guessing it would come down to if the Scranton plant was the only plant pressing up copies of the album containing the true longer version of the song and if they pressed mono copies as well as stereo copies. I think all the other pressing plants probably had the single version and the extended version is probably lost in the Capitol archives. |
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 12, 2021 14:47:50 GMT -5
I was watching the lyrics of Different Drum while listening to the long version of Different Drum. It struck me that Different Drum is the true theme song of Linda's life. Especially the line about pulling in the reins in on me. The harpsichord break is so much better in the long version. It doesn't properly resolve in the short version. I haven't heard the long version in decades. The long version should have been in the box set. Naughty whoever for not putting the long version in the box set or in one of the other greatest hit thingies. I think the same about Different Drum being the true theme of Linda's life and thought it should've been the title of her book. Simple Dreams just didn't describe her life in music as a fiercely independednt artist. I believe the extended version of the song is lost in the Capitol archives, and no one knows where it is. Even scarier is the fact Capitol employees may not know it even exists, so when a retrospective or greatest hits package is being assembled on Linda, they just get the known version and don't realized it's not the extended version. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 18:12:52 GMT -5
See the reply from "Marty from Michigan" on this page www.songfacts.com/facts/linda-ronstadt/different-drumMarty from Michigan "I have (2) Evergreen 2 LP's. One of them is a Scranton pressing and Different Drum is the long version. My other version is LA pressing and Different Drum is a short version like the 45 single. What continues to be strange about this is they both say they are 2:45 long." So that probably explains how the short versions are given the full length times, Capitol was confused. Evergreen Vol.2 was released in both stereo & mono versions. It could be that the mono has the longer DD. Just now saw that you have two copies of the extended version of Different Drum. As I was saying maybe the extended version was released by mistake, but as to the longer version being a mono copy, my copy is a stereo copy. Capitol albums in the 60s released in mono would be cataloged with a T preceding the catalog number; stereo copies would be released with an ST preceding the catalog number. I've tried to find and acquire a mono copy of Evergreen, Vol. 2 to see if it contained the extended version of DD. I'm guessing it would come down to if the Scranton plant was the only plant pressing up copies of the album containing the true longer version of the song and if they pressed mono copies as well as stereo copies. I think all the other pressing plants probably had the single version and the extended version is probably lost in the Capitol archives. The playing time is wrong on my CD covers, they have 2:45 but are 2:38 and are the shorter version. I have a mono Evergreen LP in the mail, shall see what that is. Sorry the link doesn't work. Its a clean digital sounding version, not a vinyl sounding track at all, works on Chrome. I wish it was downloadable. Possibly a bonus extra track from a CD, my next line of investigation.... |
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Post by Holly on Jul 12, 2021 18:19:32 GMT -5
Works fine on my computer. Nice cover photo with it as well. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 12, 2021 19:29:43 GMT -5
Actually, was just catching up thorugh reading of above and that really is a great idea or thought that her auto-bio be called "Different Drum". That is more Linda's style and better reflects Linda's music eclecticism; one of her standouts in her legacy (first being the most gorgeous voice ever). eddiejinnj
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Post by RobGNYC on Jul 12, 2021 20:04:03 GMT -5
Actually, was just catching up thorugh reading of above and that really is a great idea or thought that her auto-bio be called "Different Drum". That is more Linda's style and better reflects Linda's music eclecticism; one of her standouts in her legacy (first being the most gorgeous voice ever). eddiejinnj Agree. I love the book but I always thought that it was unoriginal to title it after her best-selling album with a cover from the photos for that album. Maybe the publisher talked her into the Simple Dreams idea because it was good marketing. I would have liked a photo of Linda from around the time that she wrote the book. |
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 16, 2021 11:22:31 GMT -5
I was just wondering why, if Linda didn't like the pop version of the song, she didn't re-record it once Nick was no longer producing her records? Linda redid Silver Threads and Golden Needles, probably more to her liking than the version that was produced by Monkees and Turtles producer and bassist Chip Douglas. Chip was a member of the Turtles and had played the bass on Happy Together and had arranged that song. Very talented guy. He was also a member of the Modern Folf Quartet and can be seen in the 1963 Warners movie Palm Springs Weekend, along with the other members of the MFQ in a nightclub sequence. The movie starred the young actors who were signed to Warners. I think Linda's view of the record that was a hit has changed and softened over the years. She may have regretted not including the song as part of her concert set list. Linda may not have liked her singing on the record but ostensibly, it was her first hit and demonstrated her vocal prowess when she was just 20 years of age. Her vocal was defiant and tough and putting the guy on notice there was no future for them. It was quite a contrast to the songs she did where her vocals conveyed a sadness in her singing, usually of lost love. Linda's claim she wasn't a good singer, in my mind, was totally bunk. Her singing was beautiful from the beginning and she was pitch perfect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 11:51:17 GMT -5
DD & many other of Linda's performances could have come straight from musicals. She was such a strong performer, in the mould of not only Lola Beltràn, but Doris Day, Betty Hutton, Debbie Reynolds etc.
Definitely Linda sang as a character addressing another with theatrical zest, and Linda has & does influence many others.
But its who she wanted to be I think that frustrated her, and not wanting to be labelled as just a single genre singer. Pirates & Nelson Riddle was not just the change, but also Linda's self-approval that made her feel she'd arrived.
It is a shame Linda links her career dissatisfaction with her singing prowess. To me she started great & only her health stopped her rise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 6:29:55 GMT -5
Listening to the 3 Stone Poneys albums, they are all mostly "Linda's Songbook". Linda to me, sings better than in some of her country rock songs, and always best in emotional songs. The Stone Poneys guys at their best, are close to The Seekers whose lead singer Judith Durham, is another greatly talented lady singer. I would love to ask Linda & Judith how they regard each other's talent.
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 17, 2021 23:22:51 GMT -5
Listening to the 3 Stone Poneys albums, they are all mostly "Linda's Songbook". Linda to me, sings better than in some of her country rock songs, and always best in emotional songs. The Stone Poneys guys at their best, are close to The Seekers whose lead singer Judith Durham, is another greatly talented lady singer. I would love to ask Linda & Judith how they regard each other's talent. Linda has three solos on the first Stone Poneys albums. All the other songs were mostly Linda singing with Bobby and Kenny. Evergreen Vol. 2 was mostly Linda becoming the de facto lead singer with Bobby and Kenny on backing vocals (with exceptions). The third and final Stone Poneys album was in all honesty, the first solo album by Linda. Kenny and Bobby were gone and as Linda said, they were taken off the books, so the third album was Linda solo, likely fulfilling the record contract for the Stone Poneys but having to pay Capitol back for the recording of the album. And probably for unsold copies of the album and maybe even touring. I would be curious as to what Linda would have to say about Judith Durham of the Seekers, but that might not be a question one may want to ask as Linda may not know who Judith is or was or remember. Or she could be dismissive of her, as she was of Elvis when she said he never grew as an artist. I don't think Linda listened to all of Elvis's extensive catalog and the 711 known songs he recorded. I was shocked when she said in an interview with Goldmine last year that Merle Haggard and Frank Sinatra grew as artists, but not Elvis. Sinatra and Haggard released fewer albums than Elvis. Merle and Sinatra, as far as I can remember, remained within their respective genres. Merle, a country singer and Sinatra, a pop crooner. Elvis was like Linda, all over the musical map: rock, pop, soul, country, gospel, show tunes. He didn't cover the old American Songbook standards but he covered some. Linda and Elvis were more alike than not alike, and if Linda grew as an artist, Elvis grew as an artist as well, and substantially so. I want to believe Linda's illness was playing tricks with her mind at the time of the interview, rather than Linda being a musical snob. . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 8:51:49 GMT -5
I think Linda's illness, age, and obstinacy (maybe for its own sake) are an element in her expressed opinions, very understandable really & maybe need to be taken with a pinch of salt sometimes.
Linda is Linda, why we love her, never afraid to be outspoken.
Any song Linda takes part in, she owns if her voice is distinct enough to be heard clearly in. The 'Ponies lasted as long as they did, because of Linda, Nik Venet or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -5
Looking at the musicians for Different Drum from Capitol's "Retrospective" album, Kenny Edwards is listed under Acoustic Guitars. If that is correct, then only Bobby Kimmel had no part in the production.  |
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Post by erik on Jul 18, 2021 12:43:06 GMT -5
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Yes, that quote that Elvis never grew past his original 1954-55 Sun output probably enraged me more than any other thing Linda had ever said about anybody or anything, because it was parenthetically false. Sinatra never really could change anyway, because he was much more tied to the past than almost any other major singer in history; and as for Merle, though he was known for his cantankerousness, well, he did stay inside of country, but his reputation as a right-wing hippie hater was vastly overrated, given that he did once call Linda the best female singer he had ever heard.
I'm also inclined to believe as you do, slide, with the notion that maybe her memory was slipping when she made that comment. Elvis may have had bad management (hell, he may have had the worst manager ever, period), but the vast majority of catalog of songs he covered was second-to-none.
And if she thought about it long and hard enough, practically every major female singer worth her salt, especially in roots-rock, folk, and country, including many of the Usual Suspects (Trisha; Carrie; Sheryl, etc.), has gone out of their way to explore Linda's vast catalog at some point during their careers, including Carrie doing "Different Drum" at Linda's 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. Linda must have done something right (IMHO).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 10:48:55 GMT -5
SUCCESS! My mono "Evergreen Vol.2" LP, T 2763, delivered today, & straight into my turntable. YES! "Different Drum" is the full length version with its full harpsichord. JUSTIFIED! The price for this album! Linda sounds great in double mono!  |
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Ditto the Retrospective LP 
