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Post by MokyWI on Feb 11, 2013 21:50:37 GMT -5
Just read a review of Part 1 of the Eagles Documentary that covers the formation of the band up until the breakup in 1981. If Ronstadt is not in part one of the documentary I see little reason for her to be in part 2 since by then her part of the story was long over. If I was to bet money, I would say she is not in the documentary at all, at least not anything current from her. I know I have read where she is one of those interviewed in the documentary, but The Hollywood Reporters review was negative to the fact that she was not interviewed in part 1, they have yet to review part 2 I guess.
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Post by erik on Feb 11, 2013 22:01:07 GMT -5
Rick said that she in fact is, so I guess we'll have to see for ourselves.
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Post by rick on Feb 12, 2013 2:03:29 GMT -5
Just read a review of Part 1 of the Eagles Documentary that covers the formation of the band up until the breakup in 1981. If Ronstadt is not in part one of the documentary I see little reason for her to be in part 2 since by then her part of the story was long over. If I was to bet money, I would say she is not in the documentary at all, at least not anything current from her. I know I have read where she is one of those interviewed in the documentary, but The Hollywood Reporters review was negative to the fact that she was not interviewed in part 1, they have yet to review part 2 I guess. I do not get Showtime. I am only going by what I have read from the press release from Showtime and that was featured on Deadline.com. Anything is possible. Here again is the Deadline.com piece along with the press release verbatim from Showtime -- www.deadline.com/2013/01/sundance-showtime-picks-up-history-of-the-eagles-documentary/ <snip> More than 25 new interviews were conducted with all current and former band members, as well as with many others who have been closely involved in their history, including Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt, seminal artists in the 70s music scene. <snip> |
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Post by memac62 on Feb 12, 2013 17:36:54 GMT -5
Here's what was said in THR review:
Notably absent is Linda Ronstadt, who gave Henley and Frey an early opportunity to break out of the Troubadour scene and make some money on the road. Ronstadt does show up in good vintage interviews, though, alongside plenty of period footage of the Eagles onstage and off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 18:11:30 GMT -5
no reason for me to watch it, then.. If they are sloppy enough to leave out a major factor in their formation, then what else did they get wrong?
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Post by the Scribe on Feb 12, 2013 19:38:42 GMT -5
no reason for me to watch it, then.. If they are sloppy enough to leave out a major factor in their formation, then what else did they get wrong? Yeah, that is just wrong if true. Was this produced by Jann Wenner or the Rock Hall of Fame or something? |
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Post by Partridge on Feb 12, 2013 20:04:39 GMT -5
I think Linda is notably absent from interviews that were
recorded recently. Probably because she is not available.
I think she is represented in interviews from the '70s, and
in performance clips.
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Post by Partridge on Feb 13, 2013 22:34:20 GMT -5
"No one likes a spoiler who reveals the great stuff from a film before most people see it. You won't find pithy lines here or learn what happens in the most remarkable scenes -- and there are plenty of both, some featuring a '70s-era Linda Ronstadt, some a contemporary Jackson Browne. And that kooky Joe Walsh... "
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Post by MokyWI on Feb 14, 2013 11:55:47 GMT -5
Thanks Tony, I was disappointed that once again our girl was overlooked. If I were to guess I would say a lot of these things that we think a no brainer that Ronstadt will be a part of and then it turns out she is not, have more to do with her turning the offers down or not being able to take part in them, than it does her not being asked to.
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Post by wdcats on Feb 16, 2013 1:47:13 GMT -5
Linda was in Part 1 if only in old footage of her singing "Desperado" and the old interview of her in her bedroom in Malibu.
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Post by Partridge on Feb 16, 2013 1:58:19 GMT -5
I just typed a very long review and comments and the damned
cat walked across my computer and powered it off-
There was also some early footage of Linda singing
Jackson Browne's Nightingale- and Yer No Good-
and Lovesick Blues- and It Doesn't Matter Anymore.
Since John Boylan was interviewed for the documentary, I would
assume Linda was probably also contacted but declined.
I never considered Desperado album to be a flop as the Eagles
did, because I didn't consider them a supergroup at the time.
Henley credited Linda with popularizing the title song.
I was a fan of the first three Eagles albums and paid not much
attention to them after those. I did buy The Long Run and
found it lacking in every way.
Part 1 was so interesting that I am also recording Part 2, which
I thought I would have no interest in.
I give a big "thumbs up" to Part 1--
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Post by rick on Feb 17, 2013 14:10:35 GMT -5
There was also some early footage of Linda singing Jackson Browne's Nightingale- and Yer No Good- and Lovesick Blues- and It Doesn't Matter Anymore. Tony, I wound up calling my cable company and got a good deal on adding Showtime. I have watched Part One, too. You mentioned that Linda sang Jackson Browne's Nightingale. Is that where you hear Linda sing, "There Goes My Baby"? So, based on what I have seen so far then, the press release from Showtime was incorrect and The Hollywood Reporter was correct. At least Linda is represented. Will write more after watching Part Two. Am wondering if a DVD release will have bonus material that includes more of Linda. |
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Post by erik on Feb 17, 2013 14:55:57 GMT -5
Quote by rick:
Well it's actually "here comes my baby", but no big deal; everyone gets it crossed up. In any case, even though it doesn't include anything new from Linda, yes, at least she is represented, and is in fact there in spirit.
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Post by rick on Feb 17, 2013 15:20:07 GMT -5
Quote by rick: Well it's actually "here comes my baby", but no big deal; everyone gets it crossed up. Erik and Tony, I only watched Part One of "History of The Eagles" once. While performances are being shown, many times one line of a song will be heard and then there will be voice-over narration. To be honest, I thought this was Linda singing the Drifters' song, "There Goes My Baby." According to this site, www.alpinecom.net/mspace/linda_ronstadt.htmlit lists the song as "Nightingale (There Goes My Baby)" Those are the lyrics that I thought I heard Linda sing. Will have to go and listen more closely. |
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Post by Partridge on Feb 17, 2013 16:20:08 GMT -5
Rhonstadt is also briefly seen in Part 2 of the documentary. It closes with a current interview
with Gov. Jerry Brown and there is a close-up photo of Linda and Eagles at a benefit concert
for Jerry-- similar to the one where she is lifting her dress, but taken briefly before or after
that moment. Part 2 only runs slightly more than one hour.
On subsesquent showings, Showtime is combining parts 1 and 2 into one three-hour timeslot.
I didn't realize that the Eagles still had internal conflicts even after getting back together,
and that Don Felder was kicked out of the band. But to me, brutally handsome tho he is,
and he added greatly to the band musically, he was not an "original" Eagle anyway.
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Post by erik on Feb 17, 2013 20:13:09 GMT -5
Quote by Partridge:
I think the whole thing there was that the internal dissensions they, meaning specifically Henley and Frey, had really died hard and took a very long time to resolve. As for Felder, while he wasn't an original member, he was bought in to give the band a heftier rock sound, which he did on On The Border; but as I understand it, after Joe Walsh came onboard and added some more "guitar power" as it were, he felt that he was being edged out, as Bernie Leadon had been, and as Randy Meisner eventually felt he was. The usual issues over who got what share of the money were what got Felder 86ed from the band as it were, which I thought was a terribly typical decision based on business and personality.
It might be of interest to know that some of the preliminary work on what became Long Road Out Of Eden was supposed to have gotten under way on September 11, 2001. We all know why it didn't, of course; and why it took another six years before we saw the final two-CD result.
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Post by the Scribe on Feb 18, 2013 11:00:35 GMT -5
Hopefully it makes it to youtube. Once my favorite Eagle left (Bernie) I somewhat lost interest and by the time Felder forcibly left I was quite disenchanted. I have a hard time liking music by people I personally have trouble liking no matter how good the music is. I think personal greed made their whole situation ugly.
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Post by erik on Feb 18, 2013 14:56:33 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
I think that's true of a lot of groups in the business, perhaps starting with the Beatles; the Eagles were just the most obvious one to us. In this sense, it may be a good thing that Linda was never part of a working group, because otherwise she might have gotten sucked into the Greed Zone and done battle over the fair share of ticket receipts, album royalties, and all the rest.
Unfortunately, the whole thing about the music business is that, at some point, probably in the 80s if not sooner, it became almost all about the business and almost nothing about the music.
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Post by JasonKlose on Feb 18, 2013 16:49:56 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz: I think that's true of a lot of groups in the business, perhaps starting with the Beatles; the Eagles were just the most obvious one to us. In this sense, it may be a good thing that Linda was never part of a working group, because otherwise she might have gotten sucked into the Greed Zone and done battle over the fair share of ticket receipts, album royalties, and all the rest. Unfortunately, the whole thing about the music business is that, at some point, probably in the 80s if not sooner, it became almost all about the business and almost about nothing the music. I can understand what ronstadtfanaz said about not being able to like music by someone you don't like. They sometimes go hand in hand. How can you like someone's music if you don't admire and respect the person? But there are a lot of artists who's music I like, but I really don't know much about the person or their personal life or really care.....I just love the music and that's all I need to know. In the case of Linda, I love HER as much as I love her music. She's a sweet person, and I think to a degree her music is a reflection of her personality and vice versa. Always has been. As far as Linda getting caught up in the greed and corruption of the music business, I don't think we would've had to worry about that. She was and still is WAY TOO SMART to fall into that trap. I already knew how intelligent Linda was, but when I heard the conversation with her at Grace Cathedral......WOW! She is the most intelligent woman I think I've ever heard. I wonder what her IQ is? I'm also wondering why she was not interviewed for the Eagles documentary? Either she wasn't asked or she was asked and declined. Maybe she was asked and declined because of what I mentioned about the music business. Although she did speak very fondly of her time with the Eagles the other day. I also remember there was a documentary a few years ago about the country-rock movement of the late '60s and early '70s.....the Eagles were featured in it. It's on YouTube and I think it was done by the BBC in England. They only showed archival footage of Linda and parts of an old interview with her back in the '70s. Does anyone know the one I'm talking about? Linda wasn't interviewed for that one either, but her long time producer Peter Asher was and also Bernie Leadon mentioned Linda as well. |
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Post by erik on Feb 18, 2013 23:12:52 GMT -5
Quote by jasonk: Yes, the BBC's Hotel California: From The Byrds To The Eagles. It's funny it should have come from the Brits, and not from MTV or VH-1 (grumble, grumble)  . |
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Post by rick on Feb 19, 2013 15:30:58 GMT -5
So, I did some research. Here is the text from the press release issued by Showtime... Directed by Alison Ellwood, HISTORY OF THE EAGLES is an intimate, meticulously crafted patchwork of rare archival material, concert footage and never-before-seen home movies ... More than 25 new interviews were conducted with all current and former band members, as well as with many others who have been closely involved in their history, including Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt, seminal artists in the 70s music scene. " I called Nicole Elice, Showtime's director of entertainment public relations. She was very nice and told me that the show was being handled by a woman in the New York offices of Showtime. I sent her the following email last week -- " Nicole Elice in your West Coast office gave me your contact information. I hope you won't mind my asking you a question. In the news release you sent out during the Sundance Film Festival regarding the documentary about The Eagles, it states: Directed by Alison Ellwood, HISTORY OF THE EAGLES is an intimate, meticulously crafted patchwork of rare archival material, concert footage and never-before-seen home movies ... More than 25 new interviews were conducted with all current and former band members, as well as with many others who have been closely involved in their history, including Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt, seminal artists in the 70s music scene. " In the review that appeared in The Hollywood Reporter www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/history-eagles-part-1-sundance-415671 it stated that the filmmakers had to go back four decades to find an interview with Linda Ronstadt. However, in the news release, it lists Linda Ronstadt as one of the individuals in the "more than 25 new interviews." Do you know which statement is accurate? Is there only archival footage of Miss Ronstadt or are there clips of a present-day Miss Ronstadt as being among the "more than 25 new interviews"? " Here was the response I received today -- " so sorry for the delay in this! And perhaps you now know the answer. However it was an old interview – there are no new photos or footage. " I then called the number at the end of her email, thanked her for her reply and asked if she knew if any new footage of Linda Ronstadt had been taken and had she even been approached? The woman said that this was an "acquisition," meaning that it was produced by a company outside of Showtime and it had nothing to do with the production. She said that she would ask for me. I also asked if there would be a DVD, perhaps with bonus footage? She wrote back just now: " My pleasure, and happy to look into your questions! I should be able to get you an answer for the first question, but as of now I don’t believe there are plans for a DVD release. That said – there may be one down the road. As for if Linda was approached – I am not sure, but I will ask. I can’t guarantee this is information the network, or the production company will release. I hope you enjoyed the documentary! And I do apologize for the confusion. " |
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Post by erik on Feb 19, 2013 18:50:01 GMT -5
At least we've got all that straightened out; Linda's there in spirit and (very) old footage.
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Post by rick on Mar 13, 2013 0:33:27 GMT -5
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