markv
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Post by markv on Jan 10, 2012 19:14:53 GMT -5
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Post by fabtastique on Jan 11, 2012 6:19:21 GMT -5
Wow.....dream come true!!!
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 11, 2012 8:55:19 GMT -5
yeah, i will definitely buy this one. wonder how many extra songs the set will include? eddiejinnj
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Post by linda2006nicci on Jan 11, 2012 9:33:16 GMT -5
Wow! Great news!
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Post by erik on Jan 11, 2012 9:38:05 GMT -5
Quote by eddieinnj:
If it's a box set, there may be quite a few extra tracks. I just hope she lets Linda and Dolly know about this.
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Post by MokyWI on Jan 11, 2012 11:53:49 GMT -5
pretty sure it couldn't happen without Ronstadt and Parton's consent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 17:28:17 GMT -5
pretty sure it couldn't happen without Ronstadt and Parton's consent. exciting news, and I look forward to getting it.. isn't it the record company who has the rights to approve it though?
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Post by MokyWI on Jan 11, 2012 21:25:05 GMT -5
The stuff that was on the two Trio albums they can repackage and release, but the unreleased material I am pretty sure they must have the consent of the artists, but then that depends on their contracts when they signed on for the projects I would think. I should ask Mark Islam this, he might know.
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Post by erik on Jan 11, 2012 21:44:49 GMT -5
Quote by mikekoecher:
This would be an intriguing question to have answered, since, when Raven re-released all of Linda's four solo albums she did for Capitol/EMI, they included "She's A Very Lovely Woman", "Can It Be True?" and the Free Creek version of "He Dark The Sun", and Linda would almost certainly have had to grant approval (IMHO).
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Post by Robert Morse on Jan 12, 2012 15:42:27 GMT -5
This is great news!!!!
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 13, 2012 1:48:31 GMT -5
The stuff that was on the two Trio albums they can repackage and release, but the unreleased material I am pretty sure they must have the consent of the artists, but then that depends on their contracts when they signed on for the projects I would think. I should ask Mark Islam this, he might know. The record company would need the consent of the artists because of the previously unreleased material would require their approval. There's also the royalty payments that could be subject to renegotiation as ostensibly, the Trio box set is a new package. I don't believe any of the artists are currently signed to Warners and while old royalty arrangements could normally apply to reissues, Linda, Emmylou and Dolly could use the unreleased material to obtain a new royalty rate for themselves.
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Post by fabtastique on Jan 13, 2012 1:52:40 GMT -5
Hopefully this has already been negotiated and agreed as, from Emmylou's comments it sounds like a done deal! I am so looking forward to some new product from Linda and she was in fantastic voice at this period of her career Can't wait
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 13, 2012 1:56:13 GMT -5
Quote by mikekoecher: This would be an intriguing question to have answered, since, when Raven re-released all of Linda's four solo albums she did for Capitol/EMI, they included "She's A Very Lovely Woman", "Can It Be True?" and the Free Creek version of "He Dark The Sun", and Linda would almost certainly have had to grant approval (IMHO). Unless the record company owned the rights to any of the recordings outright (such as RCA/BMG/Sony owning the rights to all of Elvis's songs recorded up to March 31, 1973), they would need the approval of the artists on any reissues. Even though she may have cringed at the thought, Linda probably granted her approval for the reissue of her solo albums on Capitol and when the same were reissued on Raven in Australia. The record companies involved may have sweetened the deal by offering a higher royalty as an enticement to gain her approval, or she could've asked for a higher royalty in exchange for her approval. The same may be true with the forthcoming Trio box set since unreleased material is involved.
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Post by Richard W on Jan 13, 2012 3:30:01 GMT -5
That previously unreleased live version of "Long Long Time" was worth buying the reissue for. Even better than the classic studio version on Silk Purse. Linda's singing on the live version is a pearl of pure emotion and artistic control.
As for the Trio box, I assume some remastering will be done on the existing tunes. It would be interesting if the tracks from the two albums were intermingled since the two albums have their own flavor. The juxtaposition of the (mostly) Appalachian/Americana sound of I with the more polished country/pop of II might be intriguing.
I am looking forward to the unreleased tracks especially, though. New Trio music doesn't come along every day! I suspect (and rather hope) that however many tracks there are, they come from the Trio I sessions since I love hearing them sing this style of music together.
I somehow suspect that there weren't many extra tracks from the Trio II sessions since this had such a contentious history and three of the songs recycled on Linda's own record were also included on the final Trio studio album, as if there weren't too many eggs left in the basket.
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Post by fabtastique on Jan 13, 2012 5:01:29 GMT -5
There is a clip of the Trio singing a live version of "Calling My Children Home" on a TV show around the launch of the first album, looks like that was recorded - with Emmylou saying she thinks it will be a real nice surprise I'm hoping for a lot!! Nice not to be too disappointed
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Post by fabtastique on Jan 13, 2012 5:12:43 GMT -5
And a DVD! Music videos for To Know Him Is To Love Him and Those Memories Of You...plus some live clips (Trio on The Dolly Show where they sing 3 songs springs to mind!)
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Post by jeffmeister on Jan 13, 2012 13:19:21 GMT -5
It would really be nice if they'd release a track or two as "singles".
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Post by frenchfan on Jan 15, 2012 15:04:18 GMT -5
Hi everybody, Don't know if some fans remember me here, I was on the previous forum under the same nickname, FrenchFan, I had the privilege to meet Linda in a show in Hutchinson, KS, in April 2007, shit, 5 years !!!! And I met Mark Islam that day, just two days after seeing her onstage in Little Rock. I didn't took time since that to write on that forum I love, I still love listening to Linda. I learned today that there will be a new box set of Trio Recordings. That's great !!! I'm agree with richwar who hopes for more unreleased songs from the first album's sessions. It reminds me of an announce for a best of called THE COMPLETE TRIO RECORDINGS some years ago on the UK's website HMV. And it reminds of me, when I imagined a box set of Linda, Emmylou & Dolly, that was here : ronstadt-linda.com/v-web/bulletin/velco2/viewtopic.php?t=981&highlight=trioSince my "delirium", my "dream", there was the Emmylou's box set with a few unreleased trio's songs....
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 15, 2012 18:49:24 GMT -5
i went to the old thread. did they really do all the songs on the "angel voices" list? was really surprised to see "have i told you lately that i love you" and those 3 additional Christmas songs in addition to "light of the stable" which i have heard. i mean that list of songs would more than make a third album. also, i suppose this compilation was never released by rhino otherwise i would have it lol. eddiejinnj
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Post by frenchfan on Jan 16, 2012 10:45:12 GMT -5
Sorry Eddie...
...just my imagination, running away with me...
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Post by fabtastique on Jan 17, 2012 3:36:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately I'm preparing to be underwhelmed rather than hoping to be overwhelmed..... Prove me wrong please!
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Post by erik on Jan 17, 2012 10:10:06 GMT -5
It's kind of hard not to feel a certain sense of anticipation with this 25th anniversary release because the three of them not only recorded material for the two actual Trio albums that didn't make the final cut, but also for the aborted sessions they did in 1978. That, and the fact that hints were dropped as to what exactly was recorded that hasn't yet seen the light of day.
I think the operative phrase here will be "Wait and see."
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 17, 2012 19:04:03 GMT -5
Wasn't there a third album planned that never materialized because Linda and Emmylou either couldn't get Dolly on board for the project or she didn't stick around long enough to complete it? I recall seeing a story on an unfinished "Trio" album in which Dolly had some rather harsh words about Linda, calling her a diva and also talking about Linda taking too long in the studio, saying Linda wanted everything to be too perfect. I think Linda and Emmylou went ahead with the project and it became the "Western Wall" album, I think. I also believe Dolly also complained she had other commitments she couldn't get out of and said she would've been happy to have finished the project once her other commitments were finished, but she again put the blame on Linda for not working with her on her schedule. Dolly seemed to have turned against Linda in that article, and I always wondered if they patched things up? I couldn't imagine Linda being the way she was being presented by Dolly in that article. The impression I got from the story was that Dolly didn't want to do another "Trio" album and may have simply used the disagreements to bow out. If Linda was being a diva, I figure so what? Dolly was being just as much a diva, and an even bigger one at that, not to mention giving the impression of being a pain in the a** about it.
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Post by Partridge on Jan 17, 2012 20:01:46 GMT -5
Around 1995, Linda and Emmylou were planning a duo album. Linda wanted to ask Dolly if she would like to join in as a guest on a song. Dolly wanted to do a full Trio album, and cutting to the chase, they recorded that album and made plans for promoting it. In the meantime, Dolly got a chance to do a TV show (what do you call when you record a sample show, the word escapes me) and wanted to put the Trio album on hold. Not that it mattered to Dolly, she already had a whole solo album recorded and ready to go. We never would have known the true story, but Dolly said some things in an interview in Ladies Home Journal (probably meant somewhat in jest) that irritated Linda enough that she came out and told the whole story.
That Trio album was never released... Linda took it apart and restructured it as her Feels Like Home album-- a far superior album.
About 4 years later, the animosity subsided and Trio II was released in its original form, including some songs that we already knew from Feels Like Home
The interview with Linda is on the website.
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Post by erik on Jan 17, 2012 21:55:08 GMT -5
If I remember right, Linda just wanted to invite Dolly on to the album for a few tracks, but Emmy was rightly concerned about Dolly wanting it to be a full-on Trio II or nothing if she was going to come onboard. Furthermore, Bob Krasnow, who was the head of Elektra at the time, wasn't enthused at the idea, telling Linda that Dolly had a reputation for being unreliable. Linda felt otherwise, obviously, saying that Dolly had given her word. Verbally, I guess she did; but that turned out to be a very costly mistake for Linda when Dolly pulled what she did.
And in all honesty, I'm not sure that the blame for the initial collapse of Trio II can be squarely put on Dolly's shoulders alone. If Dolly's comments about Linda in Ladies Home Journal were harsh, then they may have been a response to what Linda said in the New York Times back in September 1992 regarding the release of her Latin/jazz album Frenesi, when she said: "Look, I didn't grow up in Tennessee, so Dolly Parton is more of a stranger to me than Mexican singers." Is it possible that Dolly had held a grudge for that comment, and sabotaged the album for that reason?
In any case, it resulted in that terrible split between the two that lasted for four years, until they finally patched things up and finished it in late 1998.
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Post by MokyWI on Jan 17, 2012 23:53:04 GMT -5
I doubt that Dolly held it against Linda for making that comment about Parton being more of a stranger to her (Ronstadt) than Mexican singers. That sounds like something out of sleezy gossip rag you find in the check out ile. I think Parton gave her word, didn't stand by it because she thought she had more important things that needed to be completed and promoted first. Ronstadt was not too happy about it. I wouldn't doubt Linda wanted things to be perfect as much as possible and that caused issues as well. Parton might have felt the project was taking to much time to complete and maybe used that as an excuse to put her other projects before Trio 2's release and promotion. It would take a pretty childish 48-49 year old to take that Mexican/Tenn. comment as a put down...IMO. They had their problems to work out, but I doubt it had anything to do with the Mexican/Tenn. comment. I can't imagine Linda leaving the real story out of her memoir. I hope she explains what really went on.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 18, 2012 0:28:04 GMT -5
It's possible, I think, that Dolly may have reacted to Linda's comments in the NYT in 1992 and possibly held a grudge against Linda for her comments. If Dolly did bear some sort of grudge, then it's certainly another possibility that she got back at Linda by sabotaging the second Trio album. But, I think Linda's words may have come out wrong as even if she had grown up in Tennessee, she wouldn't have heard of Parton as she and Parton are the same age, basically, Dolly being about six months older.
And as close to country music as what Linda was in the 60s and 70s, it's also possible she may not have heard much of Dolly's music from that time. I can't say I can ever recall seeing an interview in which Linda was asked more in depth questions about her personal musical tastes. Linda may only have had a superficial knowledge of Dolly as a singer, maybe something like an album or two or 45 in her personal collection. In that way, Linda would've been no different than many of us because I'm sure every person has an album or two by a certain artist or band in their personal collection. Who are we likely to know better? The artists we've bought every album on or the one off artists in our collections?
Also, given the accounts I've read here and elsewhere about Linda in person being a very sweet person, I can't imagine her comments being said in a mean spirited way. Dolly, on the other hand, from the accounts I've read on her over the years, there is a suggestion that she does have quite a temper when crossed. And someone easily prone to losing their temper are usually the types who will blow up over a comment in which no harm or criticism was intended or meant.
Luckily, they did patch things up though I'd hate to hear of another disagreement between the two. Four years is a long time but it could be worse. I know of other singers-musicians who worked together (usually in a band) who had a disagreement and who have not spoken to each other in over a decade. The situation between former CCR guitarist-singer John Fogerty and the other surviving members of CCR is a case in point. Fogerty has carried a grudge against Stu Cook and Doug Clifford that's gone on since CCR broke up in the early 70s. And he even bore a grudge against his own late brother Tom, dating back to his split from the group in '71. Thankfully, Linda's and Dolly's split didn't last quite that long.
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Post by Partridge on Jan 18, 2012 0:31:54 GMT -5
snippets from the Dolly Parton interview:
Parton said she can nail a song "just as good the first time as the hundredth"
Ronstadt "loves to live in the studio and works so slow, it drives me nuts. I wanted to say, 'Wake up, bitch, I got stuff to do.' "
Parton: "We were never all that close- just girlfriends in the business."
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Post by Partridge on Jan 18, 2012 0:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by Partridge on Jan 18, 2012 0:39:01 GMT -5
Unfortunately I'm preparing to be underwhelmed rather than hoping to be overwhelmed..... Prove me wrong please! Emmylou has impeccable taste, and since she seems to be the major force behind this re-release, I think she will deliver the goods. I would want a "complete" Trio, which would bring the 1978 tracks, including My Blue Tears which was already included on Get Closer, and every out-take song.
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