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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 27, 2021 15:24:14 GMT -5
I never thought of DCN as a bad mix. I am no audio expert but for my ears the production seemed crisp to me. eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 30, 2021 22:37:09 GMT -5
"Don't Cry Now" was a bad mix. I have tried many releases. The best, that brings it to life most, is the Japanese mini-LP CD. Warner Music Japan released DCN, PID, HDTW, SD & LITUSA (I have them all). Of those DCN, PID & SD are much better than any other for getting ALL Linda's singing front & centre, an aspect other releases fail at. If you want downloads, try 192khz 24 bit FLAC versions of Linda's 70s Albums. Really? Don't Cry Now was a bad mix. I don't look at it that. The mix was fine for the times. You've got to remember most albums were mixed for stereo reproduction. And most stereos were basically left and right separation of the instruments and voices, knobs for the volume, bass and treble for the music coming from a turntable, eight-track player or cassette player, a tuner for radio stations, and amplifier to run all the stereo components. There was some bad mixes in the 60s and maybe in the 70s, but I don't think Asylum was known for bad EQ-ing. Many Capitol albums in the 60s and 70s had bad mixing and EQ-ing. And in the days when albums were released in mono and stereo, different mixes could sometimes be found. The thing is, the stereo equipment just kept getting better and better. Home equalizers were introduced in the 70s, and that allowed you to adjust the way you heard the music to your own liking. Some of the home equalizers could remove the vocals or instruments. And that was something the music business didn't especially want the home listeners to have. I always liked putting echo on some of the vocals (very little of Linda's) and guitar solos, burying or bringing up certain instruments (never much cared for the steel guitar and some keyboards work), and EQ-ing the songs in a certain way so you heard some things you might otherwise miss. I'd rather have a stereo of old and the way I used to listen to music. I don't much care for the downloads and listening to music that way. I don't care for the reselling of music I have already bought at least twice, maybe three times. What can they give me in sound that I haven't already heard? My old 45s and LPs and CDs are still playable. I love the whole packaging of the old records and CDs. The lyric sheets and inner sleeves, the artwork. If I rebuy Linda or any artist I collect, I want to hear something new that wasn't there before in the mix it was heard in. And if all I am doing is rebuying the same music I have bought before, I'm not getting anything really for my dollars. And I just hope Linda is getting paid.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 31, 2021 6:27:47 GMT -5
Amen, slide!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 7:31:14 GMT -5
"Don't Cry Now" was a bad mix. I have tried many releases. The best, that brings it to life most, is the Japanese mini-LP CD. Warner Music Japan released DCN, PID, HDTW, SD & LITUSA (I have them all). Of those DCN, PID & SD are much better than any other for getting ALL Linda's singing front & centre, an aspect other releases fail at. If you want downloads, try 192khz 24 bit FLAC versions of Linda's 70s Albums. Really? Don't Cry Now was a bad mix. I don't look at it that. The mix was fine for the times. You've got to remember most albums mixed for stereo reproduction. And most stereos were basically left and right separation of the instruments and voices, knobs for the volume, bass and treble for the music coming from a turntable, eight-track player or cassette player, a tuner for radio stations, and amplifier to run all the stereo components. There was some bad mixes in the 60s and maybe in the 70s, but I don't think Asylum was known for bad EQ-ing. Many Capitol albums in the 60s and 70s had bad mixing and EQ-ing. And in the days when albums were released in mono and stereo, different mixes could sometimes be found. The thing is, the stereo equipment just kept getting better and better. Home equalizers were introduced in the 70s, and that allowed you to adjust the way you heard the music to your own liking. Some of the home equalizers could remove the vocals or instruments. And that was something the music business didn't especially want the home listeners to have. I always liked putting echo on some of the vocals (very little of Linda's) and guitar solos, burying or bringing up certain instruments (never much cared for the steel guitar and some keyboards work), and EQ-ing the songs in a certain way so you heard some things you might otherwise miss. I'd rather have a stereo of old and the way I used to listen to music. I don't much care for the downloads and listening to music that way. I don't care for the reselling of music I have already bought at least twice, maybe three times. What can they give me in sound that I haven't already heard? My old 45s and LPs and CDs are still playable. I love the whole packaging of the old records and CDs. The lyric sheets and inner sleeves, the artwork. If I rebuy Linda or any artist I collect, I want to hear something new that wasn't there before in the mix it was heard in. And if all I am doing is rebuying the same music I have bought before, I'm not getting anything really for my dollars. And I just hope Linda is getting paid. Talking about the original here. Generally the tracks sound veiled in DCN, early CDs sounded worse than the vinyl versions. In particular when Linda is singing with full band, her vocals sound drowned out, and generally backstaged, bad mixing. On solo singing, its better, but still veiled, perhaps bad mastering too. The original HLAW suffered from the above to a lesser extent, but Linda's earlier albums for Capitol, and Stone Poneys, have greater clarity. Simpler tech for simpler media may have been beneficial, higher tech was still in its infancy, and upgrade for upgrade's sake may have been almost running before learning to walk. Linda's developing greater sophistication of style, and delicacy of emotion in her singing were ahead of what could capture it IMO. Stridency & belting out will always punch through, but gentler songs can get stifled.
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 1, 2021 17:11:01 GMT -5
Talking about the original here. Generally the tracks sound veiled in DCN, early CDs sounded worse than the vinyl versions. In particular when Linda is singing with full band, her vocals sound drowned out, and generally backstaged, bad mixing. On solo singing, its better, but still veiled, perhaps bad mastering too.
The first CD reissues were essentially reissues of the original vinyl albums. No remixing, no remastering, no EQ-ing. What you heard on the vinyl record was what you heard on the first CDs. I believe the record companies just didn't understand the new technology of CD, that you could have greater depth for the music, you could turn up the music almost as loud as you wanted and the disc wouldn't skip (unless your speakers were set too close) and you could hear almost all of the musical instruments and vocals. And more. First CDs missed all that because no one thought it needed to be reworked for the new technology.
The original HLAW suffered from the above to a lesser extent, but Linda's earlier albums for Capitol, and Stone Poneys, have greater clarity. Simpler tech for simpler media may have been beneficial, higher tech was still in its infancy, and upgrade for upgrade's sake may have been almost running before learning to walk.
People were pretty smart about the changes in higher tech and expecting more for their bucks. It was the record industry which really dropped the ball. They were actually very anti-tech and against CDs being released without some way to prevent copying. Some CDs were encoded to make copying not possible. That just caused all sorts of more problems. And all it did was make the record buying public mad. The record company got what it deserved, imho.
Linda's developing greater sophistication of style, and delicacy of emotion in her singing were ahead of what could capture it IMO. Stridency & belting out will always punch through, but gentler songs can get stifled.
You would think Linda with her keen ear would've made her appreciate everything CDs were able to capture. But, she still criticized her own singing. I remember Linda being pro-vinyl in interviews, just like Neil Young, even though she had always criticized herself on her performances on records. I don't believe there was a way, nor even now, that Linda was ever going to be happy about her singing. Sometimes you wanted to her, Linda, methinks you doth protest too much!
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Post by RobGNYC on Aug 1, 2021 17:28:24 GMT -5
I think this thread went off the topic. Don’t Cry Now doesn’t seem related to Linda and the Eagles.
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Post by erik on Aug 1, 2021 18:27:51 GMT -5
Quote by heartbreaker re. Linda and the Eagles: I don't know that Linda has ever gotten annoyed about anyone bringing the Eagles up in interviews...unless you count the disastrous interview with Chris Mundy (who really seemed to be baiting her into a lot of "Gotcha!" questions) from Rolling Stone in July 1995. On this day, she was truly irritated (link below): ronstadt-linda.com/artrs95.htmlExcerpt: I wonder if, back when they got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998, they weren't asking themselves why Linda wasn't also being inducted right there and then. But their only mention of Linda that I can come up with from that ceremony was from Bernie Leadon, and that was only in the context of John Boylan having been Linda's manager and producer back in 1971, when she got the (soon-to-be) Eagles together for her self-titled album. The other thing that is truly weird is that, when Glenn Frey was interviewed on the night Linda did get inducted back in April 2014, he had said that he had spoken to her by phone and that she was gracious about the honor, but he also said that it was the first time he had heard from her directly since the Millennium Concert in Los Angeles on New Year's Eve 1999, which was more than fourteen years before. Obviously, she couldn't make the 3,000-mile flight to NYC for the ceremony because of the onset of what we know now was Progressive Supranuclear Palsy; her own opinion that getting awards isn't what she ever sang for; and also for the fact that, even if she still could sing, she might not have shown up anyway because, as was so often the case with the Eagles, she and Rolling Stone publisher (and then-RRHOF chieftain) Jann Wenner had been at a low-level war since RS did the story on her South African tour in 1983. In recent times, Linda has regretted at times taking the friends she has had for granted; and the Eagles may have been one of those groups of friends. In general, however, she has remained very gracious towards them (IMHO).
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 1, 2021 18:28:02 GMT -5
Point well taken, Rob. Back to Linda and the Eagles!!!! For some reason I didn't see Erik's post. What I have noticed is that finally she is acknowledging "her" helping to form the Eagles imo, while seeming to understand the significance of it. This has been what like the last five years or so? eddiejinnj
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 1, 2021 18:46:26 GMT -5
Didn't she play just one venue in SA? She might have done more than one show there (that I think I recall) but I don't recall her quote touring to a different venue. Entertainment biz people and artists can be brutal and she really got truly weird treatment in that story. I remember I went to hang outside after college one day to read the new Linda article and said in terms of the day WT.? Sorry, I digress from the Eagles but I wanted to ask Erik that question. Thanks!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Aug 1, 2021 19:11:50 GMT -5
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I stand corrected; it was that one appearance in Sun City, which obviously was extremely controversial at the time. At that time, and for the longest time, I thought was a very poor decision of hers to have gone down there in violation of the UN boycott because of the South African government's aparthid policies, until seeing her interview with that Australian TV talk show host, where she put it all in the context that there was no place anywhere she could perform in the world, including here in America, where racism didn't exist.
The point of my last post was that the she and Jann Wenner had been at a low-level state of war since at least 1983, if not before. Given this, even if her voice were still intact, that would have made the possibility of Linda of just showing up, let alone performing, at her own RRHOF induction ceremony almost zero. She and the Eagles had long held the magazine in contempt, save for a few of their writers (Cameron Crowe; Ben Fong-Torres). As it was, and though some might disagree with me on this, having Sheryl Crow, Stevie Nicks, Emmylou Harris, Bonnie Raitt, and Carrie Underwood, with support from Glenn, in her stead paying tribute to her was, in the minds of many, the highpoint of the 2014 ceremony.
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Post by Biff McFly on Aug 1, 2021 22:08:04 GMT -5
I always thought the whole dust up about Sin City was strange. No other liberal artist was called out on it. I always respected Linda for being a true believer in liberal causes and the Democratic Party. It just shows where their loyalties lie, just to themselves. She even continues that loyalty. I sure wouldn't have, but that's me. I figured she must have ticked off the Powers That Be or something and that they were telling her straighten up. She was really spot on in the Don Lane interview. I really liked how she mentioned racism in Boston showing that it's not really just a "Southern thang" so to speak.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 2, 2021 5:57:51 GMT -5
I was really impressed with the line up they had for her induction. Like you always say, Erik, it shows her amazing influence and admiration from many musical artists. Glenn did an excellent job and really framed her influence in helping to form and support what would become the Eagles. All have a great day. eddiejinnj
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Post by ausfan2 on Aug 2, 2021 20:31:47 GMT -5
Linda's 1983 South African Tour was undertaken in late May (and possibly early June) and consisted of 6 concerts in the Sun City Casino, Sun Bowl, Bophuthatswana, South Africa
One concert was held on 31 May 1983.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 7:07:25 GMT -5
The question is "why did Linda go to perform in South Africa"? She might have defended it later, but why in the first place? The country's regime was "Jim Crow", not just parts as in the USA.
Was Linda pressured to go? Did she need or want the money that badly?
If it was after Nelson Mandela was freed, and was governing, that would have been the right time.
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Post by erik on Aug 3, 2021 8:49:31 GMT -5
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I think it may have been because Frank Sinatra had dropped out of doing shows there, and they somehow thought it would be great to have Linda do shows there.
Was Linda pressured to go? Hardly. If anything, there was pressure from all around telling her she shouldn't go because of the apartheid policy and the UN arts boycott. Was money a contributing factor? One doesn't want to be so overtly cynical, but one would have to be naïve to think that money didn't play at least some part. In any case, she went, knowing full well that once she got back there would be a target on her back.
Anyway, I apologize for my having gotten so off-target with this thread; it's supposed to be about Linda and the Eagles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 11:24:52 GMT -5
I know that after Linda's...issue in that hotel where she dedicated "Desperado" to and praised Michael Moore (for Farhenheit 9/11), the Eagles & other performers boycotted the place. So if not before, she had redeemed herself. Crazy time even before #45.
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Post by erik on Aug 3, 2021 22:30:40 GMT -5
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And as has often been said about what I like to call the Dust-Up In The Desert, reports about people throwing drinks and committing breakage out of anger of Linda expressing her highly progressive political beliefs were greatly exaggerated.
As for "Desperado" itself--the Eagles would not have had any problem with Linda doing this. They know her well enough, and still very much respect her to the hilt.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 4, 2021 5:51:25 GMT -5
Glenn has said as far as I know on a few occasions publicly that he had interest in Linda relationship-wise and JD beat him to it. I often wonder what would have happened if JD didn't get to her first. eddiejinnj
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 6:30:27 GMT -5
Glenn has said as far as I know on a few occasions publicly that he had interest in Linda relationship-wise and JD beat him to it. I often wonder what would have happened if JD didn't get to her first. eddiejinnj Lowell George maybe? Though his self-destructiveness might have been a deterrent.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 4, 2021 7:12:28 GMT -5
Lowell was married according to Linda. He didn't tell her at first. She found out I think from his wife. eddiejinnj
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Post by PoP80 on Apr 7, 2022 15:23:26 GMT -5
It's a wonderful documentary and there are some really cute clips of Linda when she was very young.
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Post by rick on Jan 15, 2023 3:18:33 GMT -5
This sort-of cobbled-together video appeared on YouTube on Saturday, Jan. 14, 2023 --
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