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Post by rumba on Aug 28, 2016 1:24:35 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz: I think Linda did feel that Randy's bass-playing style was a bit too busy, although she may have expressed it in somewhat sinister terms back then with a couple of evil-eye glances. In the end, though, I don't seem to recall Randy having anything terrible to say about her. The media tends to make a lot of stuff up that isn't exactly true, as we're all too painfully aware of (IMHO). I don't remember Randy Meisner playing for Linda. When would that have been?
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Post by nobody's nobody on Aug 28, 2016 3:03:40 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz: I think Linda did feel that Randy's bass-playing style was a bit too busy, although she may have expressed it in somewhat sinister terms back then with a couple of evil-eye glances. In the end, though, I don't seem to recall Randy having anything terrible to say about her. The media tends to make a lot of stuff up that isn't exactly true, as we're all too painfully aware of (IMHO). I don't remember Randy Meisner playing for Linda. When would that have been? Again, from Wiki: Linda Ronstadt is the third solo album by Linda Ronstadt, released in early 1972 on the Capitol Records label. The album was a sales failure, prompting Linda's exit from Capitol Records. It peaked at #163 on Billboard's Pop Album Chart and #35 on Billboard's Country Album Chart. It is considered to be a front-runner in the country rock music genre.[1] History Before recording the album, Ronstadt hired guitarist Glenn Frey to assemble a touring band; Frey did so with members of drummer Don Henley’s band Shiloh, who were signed to Amos Records at the same time as Frey’s previous band, Longbranch Pennywhistle. The touring band, augmented by pedal steel guitarist Sneaky Pete Kleinow and producer John Boylan on guitar, accompanied Ronstadt on six of the album’s ten tracks, including three that were recorded live at The Troubadour nightclub in West Hollywood, California during March of 1971. The other members of the original Eagles lineup, guitarist Bernie Leadon and bassist Randy Meisner, appeared on other tracks as session musicians, with Meisner accompanying Ronstadt on backing vocals with the live band on “Birds” and “Rescue Me”. Frey, Henley, Leadon and Meisner formed the Eagles, with Ronstadt’s approval, after the album’s release. Other notable session musicians on the album include violinist Gib Guilbeau, pedal steel guitarist Buddy Emmons, and Herb Pedersen on guitar, banjo and backing vocals.
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 28, 2016 4:00:18 GMT -5
All four of the guys played with Linda at a Disneyland gig.
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Post by ausfan2 on Aug 28, 2016 6:24:17 GMT -5
The Disneyland and Troubadour concert dates were
12 June 1971 Tomorrowland, Disneyland, Anaheim, California (4 concerts of 20 min duration) Linda Ronstadt backed by the original Eagles line-up (Henley; Frey; Meisner; Leadon)
27 July 1971 to 1 August 1971 The Troubadour, Los Angeles, California Linda Ronstadt – Live recording of all concerts 3 tracks released on the 1972 Linda Ronstadt album
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 28, 2016 14:56:17 GMT -5
Again, from Wiki: Linda Ronstadt is the third solo album by Linda Ronstadt, released in early 1972 on the Capitol Records label. The album was a sales failure, prompting Linda's exit from Capitol Records. It peaked at #163 on Billboard's Pop Album Chart and #35 on Billboard's Country Album Chart. It is considered to be a front-runner in the country rock music genre.[1] Linda's exit from Capitol, I think, was more her idea than Capitol's, being sought by David Geffen for his Asylum label. I believe Linda made a deal with Capitol to record one more album for them if they would release her and free her to sign with Asylum. It was a risky move for Linda, jumping labels. Although she hadn't been a big seller for Capitol on any of her albums up to 1973, they didn't seem to be in no great hurry to lose her, unlike other artists who would be dropped after releasing one album that sold about the same as what Linda was selling. There was no guarantee things would improve by moving over to Asylum but things did improve significantly. But, one has to wonder if Linda's debut album for Asylum Don't Cry Now, would've been just as big a seller if it had been released by Capitol? I believe a lot of Linda's problems with her Capitol solo recordings was the lack of songs with the potential to be strong selling singles - except for Long Long Time. Silk Purse and Linda Ronstadt were fair albums but not great albums. And especially not great recordings. All three of Linda's early Capitol albums suffered from a problem Capitol had with many of their released albums, a lifeless mix when it came to the sound. But, I think the Capitol executives believed in Linda and were likely perplexed over what it would take to break Linda with the public. And I think they would've stuck with her even if she hadn't jumped ship and continued to only be a fair seller.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Aug 28, 2016 18:31:36 GMT -5
I think the self-titled album was great overall as a founding album in the country rock genre. Her singing on this album has some of her most emotional ever and moments where I go my God how can somebody since like that (way good thing). Significant single catchy early 70's it was not. You are right about that single wise. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Aug 28, 2016 19:58:27 GMT -5
I think Linda said in a number of interviews following the Parkinson's diagnosis and the publication of her memoir that she didn't fault Capitol for not being able to promote her properly, because she also admitted that her style would be hard to fit in a neat box anyway; and the same could be said for a lot of the other country-rock acts of that time. Obviously, she found a home at Asylum (no pun intended) for that style, but I think Capitol did have the best of intentions when it came to her.
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Post by markv on Aug 28, 2016 20:06:36 GMT -5
I think the "Linda Ronstadt" album is lovely as well eddie.
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 28, 2016 20:09:47 GMT -5
Capitol knew what they had in Linda. But, for Linda, she may have been her own worst enemy when it came to her recordings as in 1971 (when much of "Linda Ronstadt" was recorded), she was not a fan of her own work. Her dislike of her recordings seemed to have lasted her whole musical career, and it made one want to ask her why? What was so terrible about her singing? I didn't think there was anything wrong with her singing. Did she believe Capitol was responsible for something in her singing she didn't like? Thinking that was something that might improve when she switched to Asylum, only it didn't? It was never her singing, I feel.
As mentioned, the Capitol albums had a sound that didn't come across very well on vinyl wax. Capitol albums in the 60s and 70s all had that terrible sound - maybe even albums from the 1950s too. Capitol albums were frequently cited in magazines like Goldmine and Discoveries for having poorly mixed stereo albums. And in those days, most people didn't have high end stereos or expensive stereo systems and were mixed for what systems in those days could handle.
I also feel Linda may have been embarrassed by the fact much of her recorded work was made up of covers, although I don't think she would've said that publicly. But, was she offered first options from songwriters whose works hadn't been recorded back then? It would seem odd she wouldn't have been interested. And that her record company and her management wasn't watching out for songs she might have been interested in recording and were pleased with umpteenth versions of songs like "Crazy Arms," "I Fall to Pieces," "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" and "I'm Leavin' It Up to You."
But, maybe behind the scenes Linda was catching flack from Capitol executives about what she was and was not recording for them?
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 28, 2016 22:54:54 GMT -5
Maybe Linda had a "love/hate" complex with her voice and being a perfectionist any frozen in time performance leads to a feeling it could have been done better. I know I would absolutely cringe if I had to listen to my own voice. I just couldn't do it. She has said she was very appreciative of her fans and those who liked her music. I don't think Capitol knew what to do with her but Asylum did and by then she already had her direction. At least for a little while lol. As Roseanne Cash said about Linda Ronstadt "she cannot be denied!"
Linda unfortunately was held to a different standard regarding songwriting. Many of her peers during her heyday wrote music but that just wasn't something she did, on purpose. BUT, just as many of her peers DIDN'T write music yet she seemed to be the target of the many idiotic music critics. That being said when you look at old reviews and compare them to the reviews of much of todays singers she actually came off quite good so I guess we really can't complain. One thing we can't accuse Linda of that runs true with singer songwriters is that very little of her music sounds the same or has that sameness that makes you want to scream after a while.
My biggest fascination with Linda from the beginning was her persona and directness. Being a hot chick helped but she was so much more. I felt a great sense of heart and altruism behind her persona and scoured the tv guide for any possible appearances and then had to fight over the tv with 5 siblings. So I got a job and bought my own tv when I was 15 as I didn't always win the battle of the great television wars. You get up to go to the bathroom and you lose power and control of the airwaves. My kidneys were always about to explode whenever she finally came on. Those were the days!
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Post by erik on Aug 29, 2016 8:58:19 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
That Linda was held to a different standard from her peers with respect to songwriting is indisputable, to say nothing of the fact that it is a standard set by people who have never either sung a note or written a single song. I do also feel, however, that Linda does tend to rationalize the reasons for her not being a writer. when she once said something to the effect that she'd hate to add to the ever-increasing pile of bad songs. The truth of the matter is that not every songwriter can be a Johnny Mercer or Irving Berlin, or, in our rock and roll context, a Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Jimmy Webb, or Randy Newman. I don't think, though, judging by "Try Me Again", "Lo Siento Mi Vida", or "Winter Light", that Linda could have written a bad or poorly constructed song, because her heart and her intelligence are such that they'd never have let her write a piece of hackwork. This isn't to say that she should have written only her own songs and not done someone else's as well, only that I think her songwriting capacity was probably greater than she was willing to admit.
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 29, 2016 15:09:51 GMT -5
Seems like Linda could do anything musically when she put her mind to it. Her heart just wasn't into writing.
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Post by erik on Sept 2, 2016 9:18:54 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
There is one other aspect that Linda has said she regrets not getting better at, and that was playing guitar. She was very competent at it, but she admits she could have been far better.
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Post by terryarceneaux on Sept 16, 2019 11:50:50 GMT -5
When the eagle were part of Linda Ronstadt Band ,were the Eagles using another name for there band before going solo and how did the Eagles get hooked up with Linda.
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Post by Partridge on Sept 16, 2019 13:07:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that's covered in the movie too.
Henley and Frey, who we will acknowledge as the co-founders of Eagles, were in Linda's band, as also were original Eagles members Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner. Don Henley was in a previous band called Shiloh (which also included Mike Bowden of the country duo Pinkard and Bowden). Linda first became acquainted with Henley when she saw Shiloh performing at the Troubadour doing a version of Silver Threads and Golden Needles very similar to her arrangement.
I guess they would have been called LRB- the Linda Ronstadt Band. although I like to think of Linda, Don, Glenn, Bernie and Randy as the original Eagles. Then Linda left to pursue a solo career and then Eagles became an all-male band.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 17, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -5
That's a cool take on it,Tony. It feels like a net here (RIP R Palmer). The humdidity lol! eddiejinfl
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Post by rick on Jan 5, 2021 21:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Jan 5, 2021 23:24:07 GMT -5
Shocking to think that it has been close to fifty years since Linda got these four characters together for her backing band, even if it was just for that one gig on the Tomorrowland stage for Grad Night at Disneyland. Nobody could have guessed what lay ahead for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 9:12:32 GMT -5
I remember taping this when VH1 showed it during 'Eagles Week'..
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Post by erik on Jan 6, 2021 10:01:03 GMT -5
I am reminded of what Linda said in that 1976 Wonderland interview (much of which was used in THE SOUND OF MY VOICE) about rock and roll being male-dominated and fraught with misogyny, which I don't doubt was (and in many ways still is) true; and yet, the closeness between her and the Eagles remained very strong. Linda has always been a straight shooter, and the Eagles were always aware of this, which, in my view, is why they always worked well together whenever they got the chance to.
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Post by 70smusicfan on Jan 7, 2021 11:14:20 GMT -5
Given the huge number of Linda's guest performances on other artist albums (she and Nicolette were favorites of Neil Young), I was always surprised that the Eagles were one group that Linda didn't do any guest vocals for on any of their studio recordings.
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Post by cymru56 on Jan 7, 2021 14:52:22 GMT -5
Difficult to imagine how she would fit as a vocalist with the Eagles. What really surprises me is the lack of her recording with Jackson.
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Post by rick on Jan 25, 2021 17:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Jan 25, 2021 19:23:40 GMT -5
Quote by cymru56:
Well they all had their own things going. But as for Linda fitting in with the Eagles, she'd stand out anyway by virtue of being a woman, especially with a wide-ranging voice; and this would be the group to stand out in, especially since they started out as her backing group, even if it was only for a short time in 1971.
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Post by linda2006nicci on Jan 27, 2021 12:21:12 GMT -5
Given the huge number of Linda's guest performances on other artist albums (she and Nicolette were favorites of Neil Young), I was always surprised that the Eagles were one group that Linda didn't do any guest vocals for on any of their studio recordings. I agree. I was surprised, too.
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Post by erik on Jan 27, 2021 18:47:48 GMT -5
The other thing to keep in mind is that, at the height of their fame, the Eagles recorded most of One Of These Nights, Hotel California, and The Long Run not in Los Angeles but at Criteria Studios in Miami because, according to legend, their producer Bill Szymcxyk had a morbid fear of earthquakes and was more comfortable recording in Florida (where they have a morbid fear of hurricanes, of course [LOL]). Would Linda have gone all the way down there to lay down vocals for a track or two if asked by the guys? Perhaps, since she knew all of them--though obviously not for an entire album, which for that band could have taken upwards of eighteen months (as had happened with The Long Run).
It is a shame that Linda and the Eagles didn't do more than just that Don Kirshner special, because that showed how well they, and Jackson Browne, worked together (IMHO).
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 27, 2021 19:21:17 GMT -5
It was a monumental performance!!!! eddiejinfl
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 9:43:05 GMT -5
Yeah so Linda is the "Godmother" of the Eagles.
But as a whole for her career, awards, albums and hits, is Linda bigger than the Eagles?
I get annoyed that interviewers always bring the Eagles up when talking to Linda about her past, (so might Linda).
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Post by RobGNYC on Jul 26, 2021 13:22:48 GMT -5
The Eagles had five #1 singles and six #1 albums. Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) is the best-selling American album ever. Based just on those statistics, the Eagles are "bigger" than Linda. I never got the impression that Linda minds talking about the Eagles as part of her history, rather she seems proud that she brought them together and is responsible indirectly for their success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 7:36:43 GMT -5
Again, from Wiki: Linda Ronstadt is the third solo album by Linda Ronstadt, released in early 1972 on the Capitol Records label. The album was a sales failure, prompting Linda's exit from Capitol Records. It peaked at #163 on Billboard's Pop Album Chart and #35 on Billboard's Country Album Chart. It is considered to be a front-runner in the country rock music genre.[1] Linda's exit from Capitol, I think, was more her idea than Capitol's, being sought by David Geffen for his Asylum label. I believe Linda made a deal with Capitol to record one more album for them if they would release her and free her to sign with Asylum. It was a risky move for Linda, jumping labels. Although she hadn't been a big seller for Capitol on any of her albums up to 1973, they didn't seem to be in no great hurry to lose her, unlike other artists who would be dropped after releasing one album that sold about the same as what Linda was selling. There was no guarantee things would improve by moving over to Asylum but things did improve significantly. But, one has to wonder if Linda's debut album for Asylum Don't Cry Now, would've been just as big a seller if it had been released by Capitol? I believe a lot of Linda's problems with her Capitol solo recordings was the lack of songs with the potential to be strong selling singles - except for Long Long Time. Silk Purse and Linda Ronstadt were fair albums but not great albums. And especially not great recordings. All three of Linda's early Capitol albums suffered from a problem Capitol had with many of their released albums, a lifeless mix when it came to the sound. But, I think the Capitol executives believed in Linda and were likely perplexed over what it would take to break Linda with the public. And I think they would've stuck with her even if she hadn't jumped ship and continued to only be a fair seller. "Don't Cry Now" was a bad mix. I have tried many releases. The best, that brings it to life most, is the Japanese mini-LP CD. Warner Music Japan released DCN, PID, HDTW, SD & LITUSA (I have them all). Of those DCN, PID & SD are much better than any other for getting ALL Linda's singing front & centre, an aspect other releases fail at. If you want downloads, try 192khz 24 bit FLAC versions of Linda's 70s Albums.
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