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Post by laurenm57 on Aug 25, 2013 20:04:56 GMT -5
Everyone's remark's have been so interesting and eloquent. I have a ticket to see Linda on 8/19/13 in Brookline and I will tell her how grateful I am for her talent and her musical gift and to be strong. Lauren
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Post by Long time HOTlanta lurker on Aug 25, 2013 20:30:29 GMT -5
Dear Friends of the board who have been so eloquent in praising our beloved Linda: You are all so right. Her newly divulged diagnosis means her singing voice has lost its beautiful luster; her mind and her thoughts and words are just as powerful now as they have ever been. She is a survivor and I wish she could browse this fabulous forum (and its predecessors back to the late 90's listserve group of which I was proud to be a member) to see how much she is truly loved for her art. As we live our lives, we know we all have a destination: but it's the trip that is in the now. So now she has told us. Now shall we march along side her. Now go on out to the book readings. Now go on out to the conferences. Please let her know she is our Champion, evermore.
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Post by geh on Aug 26, 2013 0:59:17 GMT -5
It is so tragic to me that this disease has taken away Linda's singing abilities. Not just because one of the most beautiful voices in history is being silenced, but also because Linda has always said how much singing has been a part of her entire life...we've all read about how her family sang while sitting around the dinner table and while doing the dishes, etc.. I can't imagine how disturbing losing her singing capabilities must be to her on a personal rather than on a professional level. This situation brings back memories of the "Aids Crisis" back in the eighties. I knew an artist (painter) and a photographer who both went blind, a literature professor who got dementia and a model who got carposis (sp?) sarcoma, a disfiguring form of skin cancer. It was almost as if the disease was able to target certain aspects of people's lives that would hurt them the most emotionally as well as physically.
Thankfully, we have a huge catalog of outstanding music that Linda has created over the years, that we can enjoy forever, and we'll soon have her musical memoirs which will undoubtedly make us all even bigger fans of Linda's than we already are!
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Post by ausfan2 on Aug 26, 2013 3:00:05 GMT -5
I was saddened by the news that Linda has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease.
My thoughts and prayers are with her and the time ahead. God Bless Linda.
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 26, 2013 12:22:45 GMT -5
Here is the actual article that was linked in the original post:
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 26, 2013 12:52:15 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me but 2 + 2 should equal 4. She already knows she was bitten and that damn Lyme Borreliosis wreaks havoc. I would go to a Lyme disease specialist that is also a neurologist if there is such a person before I started any heavy meds down that Parkinson's path. It could make things worse for her. I went to a crappy neuroligist myself years ago with similar symptoms and found those guys who think they know it all from an allopathic view need more schooling. One must do one's own research and find an open minded doctor willing to explore with their patients. And now with the internet there are so many informational paths but for god sake Linda please keep that laptop off of your lap.
Info about Linda's tick disease:
AARPLyme Disease: How Do 30,000 Cases Jump to 300,000? August 20, 2013 by Candy Sagon Oops. Guess there’s been a little miscounting when it comes to Lyme disease. It’s really 10 times more common than we thought. Not 30,000 cases a year, but 300,000, according to new research by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Kudos to the CDC for making this concerted effort to find out the complete scope of this insidious, tick-borne disease.
It comes, however, after years of controversy over Lyme, including patients complaining that doctors didn’t fully understand it, under- or mistreated it, and disregarded patient complaints of its lingering effects.
The traditional way the disease has been tracked is by doctors reporting diagnosed cases to state health departments, which then report the numbers to the CDC. But too often, the disease is never reported, and the agency realized it needed to look at different ways of tracking its spread.
So researchers surveyed laboratories that do Lyme testing, talked to patients across the country and reviewed insurance-claim information from 22 million people over six years. The results were presented Sunday at the 2013 International Conference on Lyme Borreliosis and Other Tick-Borne Diseases in Boston.
What the data confirms is that “Lyme disease is a tremendous public health problem in the United States, and clearly highlights the urgent need for prevention,” said Paul Mead, M.D., an infectious disease specialist who oversees the agency’s tracking of Lyme disease.
To which many sufferers of this disease might say, “It’s about damn time.”
Catherine Clarke Fox, 52, of Herndon, Va., who’s had two go-rounds with Lyme disease from tick bites she got while gardening, tells AARP that the CDC’s new statistics “are an incredibly important step” toward more in-depth research to both treat and prevent the disease.
She also warns that doctors, and their older patients, may dismiss the initial aches and fatigue of the disease as a normal part of aging.
“I got bitten shortly before turning 50, and I thought it was just age that was making me so tired and my legs hurt. And so did my doctor, so I didn’t press it, until one day I couldn’t walk up the stairs,” says Fox, who blogs about Lyme at LifeLoveLyme.
Lyme disease is named after Lyme, Conn., where it was first identified in 1975. It’s transmitted by infected ticks, each no bigger than a poppy seed, that bite humans, causing fever, headache, fatigue and usually — but not always — a telltale bull’s-eye rash.
Most cases occur in the Northeast — from upper New York state and Maine and south to Virginia — plus the upper Midwest. In areas where Lyme disease is prevalent, up to 30 percent of black-legged or deer ticks can be infected, which means people who go outdoors in grassy or wooded areas without adequate protection face a substantial risk.
Most people recover if treated with antibiotics within 72 hours of being bitten, but often people don’t realize they have the disease — up to 30 percent of people don’t get a rash — or that they need to be tested. If left untreated, the disease can spread to joints, the heart and the nervous system.
Some people can also become chronically ill from Lyme disease, suffering debilitating fatigue for months or longer.
Although chronic Lyme disease had been discounted by many doctors, the CDC now recognizes it as a real problem, Mead told NPR. “The question is whether it’s due to persistent infection or some immunologic effect, and what’s the best way of treating it,” he said.
The best way to avoid getting a tick bite is by prevention: wearing insect repellent, covering skin with clothing and checking for ticks when you come back inside. Studies show that showering within two hours of being outside reduces the risk of infection, NPR reports. And in the shower, you can check for ticks in places like armpits, groin and scalp.
One thing in our favor, notes the CDC, is that the tick must be attached and suck our blood for 36 to 48 hours before the infection can be transmitted, which is why it’s so important to find and remove the little suckers (with tweezers!) before they have a chance to do real damage.
Check the CDC’s Lyme disease page for more information. Other organizations with helpful advice include the Lyme Disease Association.
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Post by profstadt on Aug 26, 2013 13:09:10 GMT -5
Saw this statement on the current Ultimate Classic Rock website that ran a piece honoring Linda: "The degenerative condition has weakened Ronstadt to the point where she needs poles when walking on uneven ground, and requires a wheelchair when she travels." I hadn't realized the condition had progressed so far. How sad for Linda. Will keep her in my thoughts and prayers.
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Post by profstadt on Aug 26, 2013 13:13:23 GMT -5
I wonder if in some way she felt compelled to mention this now with a somewhat gruelling book tour coming up? Perhaps, perversely, disclosure of her condition will increase/revive interest in her and ultimately enhance sales of the book.
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 26, 2013 14:11:44 GMT -5
Since I started visiting the internet, which of course includes internet forums and the social media I must admit that my opinion of the human species has taken a spectacular nosedive. And that opinion wasn't all that positive to begin with. There are far more fruitcakes out there than we think. I don't know what it is with the trolls, why they get so angry and are so full of hate towards a person they don't even know. I suspect it has everything to do with Linda's political beliefs, maybe whatever she believes or doesn't believe about religion, or some sort of class envy that Linda was able to become a wealthy woman just by being a singer. Maybe all of the above. Such anger and hate, imo, clouds their thinking process and the thing is, the anger and hatred they express borders on being psychotic, maybe dangerously so. I don't think they pose a danger to Linda but they are an irrational and illogical lot, and may pose more of a danger to the people around them.
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 26, 2013 14:59:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me but 2 + 2 should equal 4. She already knows she was bitten and that damn Lyme Borreliosis wreaks havoc. I would go to a Lyme disease specialist that is also a neurologist if there is such a person before I started any heavy meds down that Parkinson's path. It could make things worse for her. I went to a crappy neuroligist myself years ago with similar symptoms and found those guys who think they know it all from an allopathic view need more schooling. One must do one's own research and find an open minded doctor willing to explore with their patients. And now with the internet there are so many informational paths but for god sake Linda please keep that laptop off of your lap.
Given that Linda has lived with the Parkinson's diagnosis for eight months, and probably has been taking medication for the disease since that time, I suspect her doctor checked for other possible causes before coming to the conclusion that it was Parkinsons, unless it was that obvious. Most doctors I think are a little more cautious than they should be, especially if they're dealing with a person with a potentially life threatening illness. They don't want to misdiagnose because a misdiagnosis could result in them being sued, or the hospital they work for being sued. That said, I think they do tend to get caught in their medical dogma or pharmaceutical dogma, as to what works, what doesn't. When it comes to the treatment, they want to go with the tried and true, what has worked for others in the past even though there were some for whom the drugs prescribed did absolutely nothing. I also suspect Linda's doctors were a little more cautious in their diagnosis because of LInda's other health problems (the diabetes and thyroid issue), plus the tick bite she had and the surgery she had on her shoulder. The diabetes can cause problems with the feet in the form of neuropathy, one of the problems being people with neuropathy can lose their balance while standing or walking and fall. When I read of Linda having difficulty walking on uneven ground, and having to use a pole to balance herself, I thought it more likely she could be having a problem with neuropathy. I haven't heard of someone using a pole to stay balanced while walking on uneven ground - think a cane would be more useful in that regard. But, whatever Linda's medical issues are, I'm sad for her, that the health problems keep piling on her like they do. She's handled it well so far and hoping nothing else bad will happen to her health wise. I hate to think of some other bad health issue happening to her that would be the one to overwhelm her and cause her to give up. She's a fighter but a health setback after health setback after health setback has a way of wearing a person down to the point where death becomes preferable. I'm hoping that doesn't happen with Linda but she's already dealing with two major health problems, maybe three (if the thyroid issue is a serious health problem), and that's far too many to happen to anyone.
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 26, 2013 15:16:09 GMT -5
So sorry to hear this! Perhaps a voice had gone, but the person and the legend no! Exactly Julian! And with this revelation Linda will begin to "feel the love." Lots of it. I hope she can accept it as receiving praise has always been difficult for her. Maybe she can finally come to terms with that little "flaw." She is now more loveable than ever while on mortal footing.
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Post by Richard W on Aug 26, 2013 18:00:42 GMT -5
Although Linda -- and we -- have been robbed by Parkinson's of even more music from her, there still remains the fact that perhaps no singer has left a better and broader record of her voice and all its many colors than Linda has.
All that eclecticism now appears more important to her artistry and legacy than ever.
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Post by JasonKlose on Aug 26, 2013 19:58:52 GMT -5
Although she said she could feel some of the effects of Parkinson's maybe as far back as eight years, it didn't look like it to me when I saw her perform here in L.A. on July 7, 2006. She sang as fabulously as she had ever done and had a solid connection with the audience. I had seen her twice before this, in May 1995 (for her Feels Like Home tour), and in July 2004 (just three days after the political firestorm of Las Vegas); at each of these shows, she was in fine vocal form, and very much connecting with her L.A. audience. As I left the Universal Amphitheater after the 2006 show, I had the sneaking suspicion that this was probably it; but I somehow didn't want to believe it, given the fact that she still performed for another three-plus years after, and had appeared at the two big pro-immigration rallies in her home state in 2010. When she gave the interview at Grace Cathedral back in February, and made mention of the diminishing of her voice, I think there was still that sense of disbelief, that even a Linda in a diminished vocal state was better than what we could get from today's "hot stars" who shall remain nameless. Now that we know that she has Parkinson's, and that it has claimed her voice, the reality has set in; and we can only rely on the memories and the music. At the same time, however, we should also remember that a lot of really quality female singers who have named Linda as a big influence on their approach to music are out there, from Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood, and Martina McBride, up to current faves like Tift Merritt and Caitlin Rose. This is a huge legacy that, in my opinion, dwarfs all of Madonna's and Lady Gaga's shenanigans. And of course we can't forget the Eagles (who probably wouldn't have become a band had they not met her) or Emmylou. As I've said, she's up there with Elvis and the Beatles, and she is totally irreplacable. That's how I will always be remembering her. Well said Erik! I know some people who would strongly disagree with putting Linda in with Elvis and the Beatles, but I agree with you 100%. Linda came on the scene in the right place at the right time. There will never be another one like her. She was so groundbreaking in a huge way. And she has influenced a lot of artists. Unfortunately, most of them are so obscure and overshadowed by all these pop tarts and their shenanigans like you say. In fact I just saw Miley Cyrus on the news this evening and what she did at the MTV VMA Awards. Was that totally disgusting or what? In my opinion, she is just following Britney Spears' example, who followed Madonna's example. Sadly, that is what sells today and what young people want to watch and listen to. This sad news about Linda makes it even worse.........to have to accept the fact that we will never see another artist and person with her beauty, class, grace and integrity. That is now sadly a lost era in music......and Linda like you said is irreplaceable.
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Post by JasonKlose on Aug 26, 2013 20:23:05 GMT -5
I was just thinking about what you said......about not having the memories and experiences others have had. I'm sad because you and I......and I'm sure there are others like us......will never have the joy, excitement and anticipation of a new Linda Ronstadt album. We will never have the experience of seeing Linda live in concert......sitting in the front row and seeing her in the cub scout uniform or in cut-off jeans, and hearing that powerful yet sweet voice of hers. We will never know how it feels to have Linda as our first crush and to have her posters plastered on our bedroom walls and in our lockers at school. Although I have sort of created that experience........I do have a large poster of Linda on my bedroom wall, and I continue to collect other photos of her and memorabilia. And I do have a crush on Linda......even today! I suspect I always will.
I wish too we could have seen Linda together. But like you said.......in light of this sad news, I have every intention of making the experience of meeting Linda the highlight of my life. I know it will be.
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Post by Texasfan on Aug 26, 2013 22:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by Robert Morse on Aug 26, 2013 22:48:48 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the link Texas!
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Post by charlotte on Sept 1, 2013 11:45:19 GMT -5
labloga.blogspot.com/2013/09/linda-ronstadt-i-aint-saying-you-aint.htmlLovely appreciation. Viva Linda Also, last night Johnette Napolitano (lead singer of the great indie band Concrete Blonde) was at NYC's Joe's Pub and earlier stated she was devasted by the news as Linda was a profound influence. "JOEY" was a great song and one of the few female vocals that was even close to being in Linda's league.
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Post by Caron on Sept 2, 2013 20:00:45 GMT -5
I just returned from vacation and I am heartbroken over the news of Linda's illness. I never saw her sing live since I lived in London and when she came in the 70's I was in school. But I always dreamt of seeing her one day. I have listened to her voice for so many years that she has been like a close companion throughout my teenage and adult life. Linda you have given me such pleasure I just wanted to say 'thank you' for sharing your gift. I am praying that a cure be found so that you can sing again, if just for yourself. Love you always Linda. I wish you well on your book promotion, you have the love and support of many fans. To all Linda's supporters Don't cry now. Linda is strong
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Post by sdorage on Sept 3, 2013 14:09:33 GMT -5
Such sad news. Blessing to Linda and her family. Also, a suggestion for those with PD symptoms, please start studying Qigong and/or Tai Chi. These slow movement, deep breathing, relaxing practices have shown great promise in arresting the symptoms of Parkinsons (many studies are on the web). And with the right clinician (a wholistic, functional medicine physician, or someone like Dr. Mark Hyman, "The Ultra-Mind Solution") can be expanded to get at the root cause of PD onset and start the reversal process (similar to diabetes). We're blessed with one body - let's nurture ourselves to remain healthy. Blessings!
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Post by erik on Sept 5, 2013 9:42:19 GMT -5
Audio of Alanna Nash being interviewed by morning radio host Tara Servatius on WTMA in Charleston, South Carolina on her AARP interview with Linda and the bombshell that Linda dropped regarding the Parkinson's diagnosis:
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 5, 2013 11:42:01 GMT -5
Awesome interview. It brought Linda's plight even closer to home as hearing it from one's mouth is so much more real than reading it in the papers. sigh God Bless Linda Ronstadt!!!
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 5, 2013 12:04:53 GMT -5
we do have a huge amount of music for all of us to listen to for a lifetime. I believe Madonna's last one mdna was her 11th album. she has been around since 1982 and only has 11 studio albums. linda has what 31. big difference plus all her other works with other people and soundtracks etc. we have been blessed by her output. eddiejinnj
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 5, 2013 12:34:42 GMT -5
we do have a huge amount of music for all of us to listen to for a lifetime. I believe Madonna's last one mdna was her 11th album. she has been around since 1982 and only has 11 studio albums. linda has what 31. big difference plus all her other works with other people and soundtracks etc. we have been blessed by her output. eddiejinnj Not only that eddie but in many cases the songs she has chosen to sing really did showcase a singer of her talents i.e. the American Songbook but especially the Mariachi music. Other genres showed her flexibility and authenticity but did not allow her voice its required nakedness and beauty. While we all wish she had done even more I think that will eventually happen as I predicted years ago: ronstadt-linda.com/v-web/bulletin/velco2/viewtopic.php?t=6666
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Post by revin2go on Sept 5, 2013 12:53:51 GMT -5
Wow! Dwindling savings? I thought she was worth $115 million. Yes, she does live in San Francisco and yes, she did send her children to private school, but she still has to be very well off. I'm sure her royalties can't be that much in this day, but she no doubt has a very nice nest egg along with a very competent financial planner. I always wondered what she commanded for a concert fee, both in her heyday and in later years. I know Diana Ross is still out there touring and commands a very high fee...and gets it! It's too bad Linda didn't enjoy performing more. She could have made more money in her later years by giving the fans what they wanted, but she suffered for her art and now she suffers. It probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be. Most senior citizens panic about finances when the bread and butter that carried them for so many years is gone. Life lesson #1: there is no such thing as security.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 5, 2013 15:55:47 GMT -5
Wow! Dwindling savings? I thought she was worth $115 million. Yes, she does live in San Francisco and yes, she did send her children to private school, but she still has to be very well off. I'm sure her royalties can't be that much in this day, but she no doubt has a very nice nest egg along with a very competent financial planner. I always wondered what she commanded for a concert fee, both in her heyday and in later years. I know Diana Ross is still out there touring and commands a very high fee...and gets it! It's too bad Linda didn't enjoy performing more. She could have made more money in her later years by giving the fans what they wanted, but she suffered for her art and now she suffers. It probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be. Most senior citizens panic about finances when the bread and butter that carried them for so many years is gone. Life lesson #1: there is no such thing as security. Thd biggest misperception the public has about celebrities is that the are incredibly wealthy. Some of them are incredibly wealthy but in most instances, their wealth is still overexaggerated by the professional number crunchers. Howard Hughes's personal wealth was thought to be worth over a billion dollars but when he died, his estate was only $70 million. That's still far from poor but nowhere near the estimate given by the pros. I wouldn't exactly think Linda is poor but I wouldn't think she'd be as near wealthy as many would think. Since much of her wealth would've come from her mid-to late 70s through 80s albums, how much she made off those albums would depend on what her artist royalties were during that time. The top artist rate in the mid-70s was right around $1.50 per album sold. The tope rate for an artist may have cracked two dollars per album in the late 70 but more likely in the 80s, and I think Michael Jackson received three dollars per album after "Thriller." It's possible Linda's artist royalty was renegotiated and increased as her popularity grew but an increased royalty would only be paid on albums sold after the date the renegotiated contract was signed. It's also possible her artist royalty decreased as her popularity waned. With the artist royalty, there were also downsides that could subtract some of the income an artist would expect to see, like manager's/agency's commissions, receiving an advance on royalties that had to be paid back (usually with interest), and possibly most damaging of all to an artist's income, having to pay back for record company's overpressings on singles and albums. Record companies really tried to charge off every dollar spent on the artist's career to the artist. It was said some artists were lucky to see 10% of their artist royalties after record companies nickled and dimed them on every little thing and the artist managers took their cut. And not to mention the various state and federal taxes. Linda also commanded some high concert fees but out of those fees, she had to pay the salaries of her musicians, personal assistants, road crews, drivers, fuel expenses, hotel expenses, per diems, et al. And again, the commission paid to her managers and various taxes. An artist's take home after the expenses of a concert tour was reported one time in the news as being between 10% and 25%. Touring was also required by the record companies and they sometimes paid the expenses but as might be expected, the expenses had to be paid back with interest. Little wonder some artists did not like to tour or want to tour. As to guessing on how much money Linda made during her prime, I really don't know but for the guesses made by the so called experts. It's the same on guessing how much her wealth is now. Given her peak earning period was almost three to four decades ago, $115 million could be on the high end. I think her wealth could be much less but think she still has enough money to last her the rest of her days, if it's managed right.
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Post by JasonKlose on Sept 5, 2013 17:32:19 GMT -5
Audio of Alanna Nash being interviewed by morning radio host Tara Servatius on WTMA in Charleston, South Carolina on her AARP interview with Linda and the bombshell that Linda dropped regarding the Parkinson's diagnosis: Good interview. But I will say this........I don't think the reporter, Alanna Nash, knows much about Parkinson's disease. My grandma and dad had Huntington's disease and I was involved in their care, especially with my dad. The symptoms are very similar between the two diseases. First of all, Linda is actually in the very early stages of the disease, not deep into it as Nash said. Her symptoms are trembling and trouble walking. Those are early signs. In the later stages of the disease, patients develop cognitive problems.......problems with thinking, memory loss, trouble speaking, and behavioral problems. Then later it turns into depression and dementia. Linda is certainly no where close to that yet. I know because I saw my dad go through those same stages. The early signs started many years ago but eventually progressed. Early on he had trouble with balance and coordination, then of course he had problems walking and needed a wheelchair. In the later stages, his memory started to go, his speech became slurred, then eventually a little dementia started to set in. The journalist who interviewed Linda said she spoke very well in the interview. If she spoke anything like she did back in February at Grace Cathedral, then she's the same Linda we've always loved. Her mind and speaking voice are obviously in perfect condition, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to write a book and then read it as well for the audio version. She said she is happy, so that makes me feel a little bit better. I just hope she seeks the very best treatment for herself, so she can have the best quality of life possible.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 5, 2013 18:30:06 GMT -5
I fully expect to see some big breakthroughs coming soon, especially with stem cell therapy, immune modulation therapies, etc. to slow down or stop the progression and eventually reverse it. I was glad to hear that Linda is pursuing or at least considering alternative therapies as well. If anyone reads or hears about these kinds of things please post them here: ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/427/cancer-mms-health-alternativesI happen to think diet is also very important to speed up healing. Thanks!
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 5, 2013 21:54:14 GMT -5
I fully expect to see some big breakthroughs coming soon, especially with stem cell therapy, immune modulation therapies, etc. to slow down or stop the progression and eventually reverse it. I was glad to hear that Linda is pursuing or at least considering alternative therapies as well. If anyone reads or hears about these kinds of things please post them here: I'd like to see some big breakthroughs coming soon but the skeptic in me believes that any big breakthroughs would still be in the territory of managing the disease, and not in the curing of the disease. Still, if in managing the disease, they find some way to keep the disease from advancing any further, that would be okay, I guess. But, the skeptic in me (again) believes that any drugs they develope will be very high priced. Having worked in pharmacies at one time as part of a job I had at one time, two things I know about what drugs there are is that there's no such thing as a safe drug, and that the cost to the pharmacies on the majority of drugs is usually quite expensive. Maybe they can develope a once-a-month pill or even better, a once-a-year pill but I just can't believe in the possibility of a complete cure, the research center in Oklahoma City not withstanding. Maybe that is a goal too far out of reach, at least in our lifetimes and in Linda's lifetime?
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Post by jhar26 on Sept 7, 2013 12:12:54 GMT -5
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 7, 2013 18:22:45 GMT -5
I agree the last couple times I saw her like in 08 she was spot on vocally. she did a great job on the webb duet and that was in 2010 and had some strong notes in the song as well as more poignant moments. eddiejinnj
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