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Post by Pete on Sept 29, 2016 18:03:59 GMT -5
I haven't posted on here for a few months (sorry) but I've still been working my way through Linda's albums. I'm learning 'Feels Like Home' at the moment. I've not been as committed to learning Linda's albums this year as I was last year simply because I felt I neglected so many of my other artists last year.
I was blown away by 'The Waiting' and 'High Sierra' in particular but was left a little disappointed when I heard 'After The Gold Rush' - does Linda just stick to the backing vocals on here? I can't understand why anyone would agree that Linda doesn't the lead on everything!
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Post by fabtastique on Sept 30, 2016 0:04:57 GMT -5
It's more of a group piece.... harmonies, harmonies, harmonies!
It's a better version than the one on Trio, Dollys voice (lovely that it is) is too prominent in that record.
I remember when that album came out I dreamed a whole music video for that song!!
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Post by Pete on Sept 30, 2016 3:28:50 GMT -5
I watched a live version on YouTube but it's disappointing to watch Emmylou Harris and Dolly Parton have Linda just harmonising with them.
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Post by Pete on Sept 30, 2016 10:18:14 GMT -5
I've listened to this song quite a few times now and I'm stuggling to hear Linda. Is she actually on this song? 😀
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 11:04:58 GMT -5
Linda has always been modest, and has stated that she originally wanted to be a member of a group rather than a solo artist. I don't think it is like her to be a dominant vocalist, and she may just be content to be a harmony singer in such talented company...
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Post by Pete on Sept 30, 2016 16:01:22 GMT -5
I understand that, on the song 'My Blue Tears' from the Get Closer album though you can hear Linda, Emmylou Harris and Dolly Parton all singing. On 'After The Gold Rush' I can't hear her. I just find it odd for any artist to put a song like that on their own album. Didn't Linda sing backing vocals on a couple of Neil Young songs? (I could be wrong, if I'm right though it would seem odd for the songs to be put on her own solo album and I feel this with 'After The Gold Rush')
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Post by Guest on Sept 30, 2016 16:11:47 GMT -5
Linda merely substituted Dolly's voice with Valerie's voice. That was the only change as it was a master from the Trio sessions. She probably could have sung lead herself and maybe there is a take out there where that happened but she must have thought Valerie's version was the better one. Valerie's voice is ethereal and perfect for this song.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 30, 2016 16:33:34 GMT -5
I seem to hear Linda's voice almost as much as Valerie's on the "Feels Like Home" version. I like that version better. As far as the perception that Linda let another lead be on her solo album, I think she wanted the song out there and Valerie's vocal is closer to Linda's than Dolly's and artistically it came out great. eddiejinnj
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Post by Pete on Sept 30, 2016 16:51:15 GMT -5
I actually enjoy the Trio album and found all their voices did work nice together. I did think 'Farther Along' shoud've had Linda singing the last verse as Emmylou Harris sounded like she was struggling to hit high notes, and at times she was difficult to understand. I think she sounds like a little girl on 'After The Gold Rush' (or is that Valerie Carter? I'm not up on their voices that much)
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Post by Tony on Sept 30, 2016 21:59:54 GMT -5
I don't follow this conversation. On the version of After the Gold Rush that is on the Feels Like Home album, Linda is singing prominently out front on most of the song. I love the contrast of Valerie Carter's voice on the piece that she sings.
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 1, 2016 0:38:00 GMT -5
I can definitely hear Linda in both versions of After The Goldrush - she's definitely in there. The mix of voices is better on FLH though and for me this is the better version.
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Post by Pete on Oct 1, 2016 11:35:05 GMT -5
Can someone list the lyrics with each singers specific line as I'm struggling to hear Linda and would like to (try) and hear what other people are hearing.
I've just listened to the song again, I still can't hear Linda singing any lead vocals and I'm stuggling to hear her on backing vocals. I can recognise Emmylou Harris' voice as it's a bit childlike, I listened to other songs on YouTube by Valerie Carter to get her voice in my head and it's definitely both her and Emmylou singing lead. If anyone thinks different then please break down the lyrics but I cannot hear any lead by Linda.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 1, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -5
Can someone list the lyrics with each singers specific line as I'm struggling to hear Linda and would like to (try) and hear what other people are hearing. I've just listened to the song again, I still can't hear Linda singing any lead vocals and I'm stuggling to hear her on backing vocals. I can recognise Emmylou Harris' voice as it's a bit childlike, I listened to other songs on YouTube by Valerie Carter to get her voice in my head and it's definitely both her and Emmylou singing lead. If anyone thinks different then please break down the lyrics but I cannot hear any lead by Linda. LINDA AND VALERIE Linda re-engineered that song by deleting Dolly's vocals and inserting Valerie's vocals. Everything else was left the same. If you listen to the Trio version is not Dolly the most prominent voice? Same with the FLH version where Valerie is the most dominant voice. Yes the others are harmonizing but clearly Valerie is up front on that song. The result is magnificent. Yes, it would have been interesting and nice for Linda to replace Dolly with her own voice and one can only guess at why she didn't. Maybe she did and it sounded weird so she and George decided they needed a different voice there. The only time I have ever been fooled or confused as to whether it was Linda or not was on Adieu False Heart where Linda's voice was tapered down and not belting. Her and Ann sound very much alike on some songs. sample of Valerie's voice (oh how I love her voice) cool song written about Valerie Carter
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Post by moe on Oct 1, 2016 16:19:59 GMT -5
I too have more trouble finding Linda in "Goldrush" than usual but after extensive listening I think I came up with a few examples. First, however perhaps it is a fools errand trying to pick out one of the ladies singing harmony. The whole purpose of singing background is to enhance the lead singers performance and to add depth and weight to the entire effort. In Trio especially a stated purpose of the ladies was to share a unique sound resulting from blended voices. So the totality of the sound, in their minds, took precedence over any single voice. In much of Goldrush, even with Dolly (or Valerie) in the lead there is a lot going on in the background. In fact they may have even utilized the Brian Wilson trick of doubling and tripling voices ala "Adios"
Given all the rambling above, I think I have found Linda in a few places ( just as a hint- it may be instructive to watch the first "Goldrush" video posted by Rob above (the one with CMT in the lower right corner) in addition to the little girl, carousel, etc, the when the ladies are shown, they are shown in combinations that appear to reflect who is singing at that moment.) Anyway here goes:@0:57 2nd "mother nature on the run" i'm pretty sure that it is Linda way up high. @1:06 once again Linda up high in "lying in a burned out basement" @1:42 "I was thinking about what a friend had said" finally @ 2:15 right after the piano interlude and before the glass armonica picks up I think that is Linda on the "Ah-Ah' s.
That, for what it's worth, is my take- feel free to correct me if I missed by a mile.
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Post by goldie on Oct 1, 2016 21:41:12 GMT -5
At 2:28 in both videos begins a solo of each lead singer, Dolly and Valerie. That is how closely the songs match up. You get a real feel for their voices there and throughout.
There is layering because you can hear Linda's high ahhhhs in the background as well as her lower vibrato under both singers voices.
An even larger mystery is Valerie's third leg in that photo of her and Linda who seems to be holding matching shoes for that singular leg. It appears to be attached to nothing and is following the girls possibly in hopes to get its shoes back.
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Post by lindafan on Oct 1, 2016 21:45:59 GMT -5
I have also never understood why this was included on the "Feels Like Home" album. It's not a Valerie Carter album. It's a Linda Ronstadt album.
Also, on Trio 2. That is an album by Linda, Dolly, and Emmylou. Of course each of them do not sing lead on each song. Kind of silly to insinuate that Linda should sing lead on everything. In fact, she sang lead on the majority of the tracks on the album. She is very prominent on the "Goldrush" harmonies. If you have a hard time picking her out, just watch one of the live performances and listen to those mega-high harmonies.
If you want to talk about a missing vocalist, Dolly is pretty much non-existent on "The Blue Train".
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Post by goldie on Oct 1, 2016 21:56:05 GMT -5
I have also never understood why this was included on the "Feels Like Home" album. It's not a Valerie Carter album. It's a Linda Ronstadt album. If you want to talk about a missing vocalist, Dolly is pretty much non-existent on "The Blue Train". My Blue Tears on Linda's Get Closer album has Dolly seemingly up front on a Linda album. It might sound that way at least because Dolly is at the higher register and Linda the lower. It is a great example to exhibit the roles of each. Emmy kind of gets lost here as well.
Here is an example of just Linda singing My Blue Tears and you can definitely see the difference.
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Post by lindafan on Oct 1, 2016 22:05:44 GMT -5
"My Blue Tears" is a track from the original Trio record that I'm guessing Linda loved so much she wanted to make sure it was released. Emmy is definitely prominent, maybe not as much as Dolly & Linda, but she's there. Her voice is so distinct that it's hard not to be able to pick her out.
I love Linda's solo version of "My Blue Tears", as well. It's much prettier with the acoustic Trio arrangement, though.
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Post by goldie on Oct 1, 2016 22:16:52 GMT -5
"My Blue Tears" is a track from the original Trio record that I'm guessing Linda loved so much she wanted to make sure it was released. Emmy is definitely prominent, maybe not as much as Dolly & Linda, but she's there. Her voice is so distinct that it's hard not to be able to pick her out. I love Linda's solo version of "My Blue Tears", as well. It's much prettier with the acoustic Trio arrangement, though. Yes, it is from the original, original mid-70's recordings some of which seem to be left out of the current package as well. It is angelic.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 1, 2016 22:46:34 GMT -5
This photo came out in the 1970's. Not sure whose house that is but it looks like it is from back east. Probably Dolly's. That might have been around the time the original Trio recordings were put down on tape. Emmy appears to be very pregnant.
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 2, 2016 12:01:03 GMT -5
the mix of My Blue Tears and PPPM is kinda strange . . . but Linda's voice is amazing so I'll forgive anything!
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Post by MokyWI on Oct 2, 2016 14:07:52 GMT -5
I LOVE what they did with the two songs. "My Blue Tears" bleeding into "Poor Poor Pitiful Me" I wonder what tour they did this on. I saw the second leg of the Get Closer Tour on the Boston Common on July 22, 1983 but can't remember if they did those two songs like this on that date.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 2, 2016 14:28:04 GMT -5
I LOVE what they did with the two songs. "My Blue Tears" bleeding into "Poor Poor Pitiful Me" I wonder what tour they did this on. I saw the second leg of the Get Closer Tour on the Boston Common on July 22, 1983 but can't remember if they did those two songs like this on that date. It was an ingenious idea.Linda Ronstadt 1979-02-27 Budokan Hall
Live at The Budokan Hall Tokyo, Japan 27.2.79 - Linda Ronstadt (Bootleg)
www.mixcloud.com/sinlopez/linda-ronstadt-1979-03-02-budokan-hall-tokyo-japan/favorites/
Bitrate : 192Kbps Source : Soundboard
Tracklisting : (set list matches both dates)
01. Lose Again 02. That'll Be The Day 03. Blue Bayou 04. When Will I Be Loved 05. It Doesn't Matter Anymore 06. Willin' 07. Alison 08. All That You Dream 09. Love Me Tender 10. Just One Look 11. Desperado 12. Mohammed's Radio 13. It's So Easy 14. Someone To Lay Down Beside Me 15. My Blue Tears/Poor Poor Pitiful Me 16. Tumbling Dice 17. You're No Good 18. Sorrow Lives Here 19. Back In The U.S.A.
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Post by lindafan on Oct 2, 2016 14:34:47 GMT -5
This photo came out in the 1970's. Not sure whose house that is but it looks like it is from back east. Probably Dolly's. That might have been around the time the original Trio recordings were put down on tape. Emmy appears to be very pregnant. Yep, that's Dolly's home in Brentwood, TN, just south of Nashville.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 2, 2016 17:02:11 GMT -5
I've listened to this song quite a few times now and I'm stuggling to hear Linda. Is she actually on this song? 😀 You're not the only one..Call me selfish and I love the song but I'd rather hear Linda sing lead.. version with Valerie Carter or Dolly.. Linda is singing higher and softer..
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Post by moe on Oct 2, 2016 18:37:53 GMT -5
Dianna, you once again utterly blew me away with your amazing avatar selection! Well played-my hat is off. Where did you get that pic? It took a while to decide if that was really Linda. I wonder, is that is a wig or Photoshop? Once again I stand in awe before the master.
P.S. I do prefer Linda's hair, like my coffee-black.
Oh-by the way were we talking about "After the goldrush"? I forget-oh never mind!
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Post by Dianna on Oct 2, 2016 20:01:37 GMT -5
well thanks Moe.. No, I did it messing around with hairstyles, eye color and makeup from the Linda photo For Rolling Stone Mag. Mad Love... Halloween Linda. LOL
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Post by Pete on Oct 3, 2016 14:34:22 GMT -5
I've actually removed it from the album on my iPod and now have Feels Like Home as a 9 track album.
In my opinion, the only artists who are in the same league as Linda Ronstadt when it comes to the vocals are Tina Arena, Sarah Brightman, Mariah Carey, Dina Carroll, Deborah Cox, Jennifer Hudson and Wendy Moten.
Ren Harvieu is the closest I've heard to Linda Ronstadt, I would love to hear her sing one of her songs one day. Ren Harvieu actually supported Jimmy Webb last month.
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Post by Guest on Oct 3, 2016 16:24:35 GMT -5
Sorry but that is just dumb. That's like removing all the songs from Trio Linda didn't sing lead on or removing My Blue Tears from Get Closer. To each his own.
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Post by Pete on Oct 3, 2016 17:04:06 GMT -5
I can hear Linda singing on 'My Blue Tears'.
I think 'After The Gold Rush' sounds more out of place on the album. It's a Linda Ronstadt album and a lead vocal track from two other artists on her own album is what I think is dumb.
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