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Post by angleseykev on Sept 19, 2016 8:58:30 GMT -5
In the charts at number 25. Not only me buying it then! Dollys Pure And Simple number 22.
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Post by MokyWI on Sept 19, 2016 13:20:24 GMT -5
Did the collection chart here in the U.S.? I didn't see it at all listed in the top 200 Billboard Album Chart or the top 25 Country Album Chart for the date of September 23rd. Unless I missed it, not a good sign that it will chart at all here in the U.S. Most albums chart the first week then fall off the second these days unless they are big hit albums.
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Post by Richard W on Sept 19, 2016 20:24:24 GMT -5
I checked: no.
Hard to believe that Jackson's "Thriller" (#200) is selling more this week than the Trio set.
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Post by Guest on Sept 19, 2016 21:41:05 GMT -5
September 9th releases including Trio, The Live Beatles, Wilco are not yet reflected on the charts dated September 23rd in the US. They will be on the next chart listing. I suspect Trio will do quite well. It is #3 in Australia.
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Post by kgreen on Sept 20, 2016 7:32:32 GMT -5
The Complete Trio sessions entered Billboard on today's October 1 charts. #7 Top Country albums and #125 Billboard 200.
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Post by erik on Sept 20, 2016 8:34:41 GMT -5
Quote by kgreen:
Also:
Americana/Folk Album Chart: #8
Top Album Sales: #40
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 20, 2016 12:56:14 GMT -5
What publication or site are the 2 positions you posted from, erik? eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Sept 20, 2016 14:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by Guest on Sept 20, 2016 15:27:02 GMT -5
#7 Country #40 Album sales BILLBOARD Nice entry for a compilation priced over $20+ of acoustic music from 30 or so years ago. It is #3 in Australia because of the TV interview they did on a very popular show. Only wish they could find a way to do the some TV here. The online stuff has been good but they have an older audience(thus the chart including streaming services etc. has it much lower). It is such a special collection. I bought two complete sets.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 20, 2016 17:23:58 GMT -5
How is the Album Sales chart different than the Top 200 album chart? I never heard of that chart. How can it not be number one on the Americana chart? Might be lack of knowledge of artists now in that genre. eddiejinnj
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Post by Richard W on Sept 20, 2016 17:47:40 GMT -5
My guess, Eddie, is that Album Sales are sales of physical albums/CDs, while the Top 200 is everything -- physical albums, downloads, etc.
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Post by erik on Sept 20, 2016 18:19:32 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
I agree that this is likely the case. And in any real sense, I really didn't expect to see The Trio Collection debut in a very high position, for a variety of reasons: ageism (Emmylou is 69; Dolly and Linda are both 70); sexism (country radio has a problem with women getting airplay, to the point where only Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood are allowed on with any real frequency); and the fact that promotion for it is extremely limited because of Linda's health problems. There's also the question of how many stores the collection is being sold at that fall under Billboard's Soundscan system of detecting physical CD sales; if it isn't many, then that becomes a problem.
Truth be told, however, I don't think anyone should give a damn about whether the collection is going to go Gold or Platinum in terms of sales, because in my opinion it's a moot point. We ought to be talking about the quality of the project as much as we can, and leave the quantity problem to the bean counters.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 20, 2016 20:09:12 GMT -5
For me, it would be great at Linda's age and point in her massively important career to have a last Gold or Platinum album. It is just a gauge of public appreciation. How the album is received critically by her peers and various music publications and associations is of equal importance. eddiejinnj
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Post by rumba on Sept 20, 2016 21:03:57 GMT -5
I don't think most people even know about this outside of fans. I've seen little promotion. Saw Dolly on Fallon a couple of weeks ago and she didn't even mention it which was dismaying.
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Post by erik on Sept 20, 2016 21:19:26 GMT -5
Quote by rumba:
Well if she wasn't asked about the project, then what could she have said?
I think we may be reading a bit too much into this. Promotion for this project was always going to be limited because of the thing that's totally out of Linda's control. And even if she wasn't afflicted by Parkinson's, people seem to be forgetting about the issues of ageism and sexism that plague the music industry. You can't realistically pretend that those things don't exist.
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Post by erik on Sept 20, 2016 22:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 21, 2016 4:48:45 GMT -5
Well to be honest I did not see the Fallon show but if she was promoting her new album I think with Dolly's nature she would mention I also have the Trio project coming out. Without all knowledge, am not being critical of Dolly. Who knows maybe things have gotten so scripted that there was not time for it. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Sept 28, 2016 9:07:42 GMT -5
At least on its online site, Billboard lists The Trio Collection in none, I repeat none, of the listings for October 8 that it was in on October 1.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 28, 2016 11:30:19 GMT -5
So it not on the country charts. I understood what you said but just wishing it not true. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Sept 28, 2016 14:44:26 GMT -5
Quote by eddieinnj:
I'm afraid so. It was listed a week before in the Top 200 Album; Country; Folk/Americana; and Album Sales listings. It is on neither one now, much to everyone's everlasting dismay, and mine.
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Post by MokyWI on Sept 29, 2016 7:09:16 GMT -5
I have lost interest in the charts the last ten years. With the impact digital downloads have had on CD/album sales releases can hit number one the first week and be off the chart within two weeks selling less than 100,00 copies. Rarely do you see any release moving up the charts. The first week is the highest position and most drop off the charts within three weeks.
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Post by erik on Sept 29, 2016 8:33:09 GMT -5
Quote by MikeKoecher:
Yes, it's probably pointless to even care about what the charts say, and I've said as much myself. All the same, however, however one feels about them (whether they are rigged in favor of one artist/group or against another), people still do look out for them. In the end, what it seems to say about the pop music culture these days is that the standards of quality are in the basement on the basis of the industry having become so corporatized and getting its rocks off about digital downloading and all the rest of the Internet stuff.
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Post by MokyWI on Sept 29, 2016 10:13:05 GMT -5
I agree Erik. I am having a hard time trying to understand why I have lost interest in music. I no longer look for new artists who I might enjoy. I have heard many artists say once they get older that they don't listen to music like they did when they were younger. Maybe its an age thing, as some of us age we don't find in listening to music what we did when we were younger. Or it might well be, that, coupled with the sound quality that comes with digital music, I am not getting the full emotional impact I once did. Neil Young says so. Maybe sound quality coupled with the quality of music being made today just does not hold up. I do know I have to make myself sit down and PAY ATTENTION to new releases by artists I used to make time for without making myself sit down and listen to. I also think CD's diminished the ability to connect just by their size alone. No longer could I sit and read the album notes or read the lyrics as I listen. The art work lost some punch too by being smaller. I buy LP's again as well as CD's but I don't have a great sound system to play the LP's on. Today a music lover really has to do their homework because what is promoted and what the charts reflect are most likely not going to bring attention to new artists of substance. Or at least artists I find interesting.
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Post by fabtastique on Sept 29, 2016 14:12:39 GMT -5
I think its also about quality, I really do not think the quality is there any longer. And here I'm talking about songwriting, musicianship and vocals - the whole package is watered down, uninspiring and just plain poor. Music is now made for people with the attention span of goldfish, 3 second memory. I don't think many people actually sit and listen to music any longer, there are too many other distractions.
"Artists" without any talent, are made stars and autotuned to the max. They mean nothing to me . . . but they are everywhere and forced down our throats.
I do buy CDs and vinyl still, I love that vinyl is having a comeback and I bought a nice turntable just for this. I love listening to albums I've had for 20+ years, brings back so many memories and I'm pleased to be able to make new vinyl memories with recent purchases.
I wasn't expecting Trio to sell loads, its for us - the fans. There aren't many of us left really but I'm so pleased to have had this, the 3 canciones/latin reissues (even without any extras) and the hits packages. lets just hope for more!
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Post by erik on Sept 29, 2016 19:17:59 GMT -5
Quote by MikeKoecher:
It could well be all of those things, plus the perception (or is it now the reality?) that nobody is exactly trying to write songs with a modicum of intelligence and heart like what had been done in decades past, that it's now only about money, awards, bling, and stuff like that. It's very hard to know whether we're going to ever get back to quality songs like, say, "Yesterday" or "Desperado". I myself don't exactly see or hear it. And perhaps most troubling is that, with all the great people we've lost in the music industry this year, including Glenn Frey, Prince, and Merle Haggard, virtually nobody seems to be following in their footsteps and creating anything that just might be of lasting value.
And consider this: What happens when Linda or Dolly or Emmylou are no longer around? How are they going to remembered; and what kind of a music industry (if there is even one still left) is there going to be to remember them by? Yes, we have a lot of very good singers of the current generation who have followed very admirably in the footsteps of the Trio, as I pointed out in my Amazon review, but the industry isn't exactly opening their arms to these women, especially not at country radio (the ballcaps-worn-backwards Bro-Country dudes still rule the roost for the most part over there). This is why I feel that the Trio Collection is an important collection to have, so that everyone will be reminded of what these ladies have wrought.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 29, 2016 22:45:42 GMT -5
Erik is right about Country Radio and their policy to NOT play any person OVER 50. I have read that elsewhere. That would make it difficult for any one fitting that description to get airplay on terrestrial radio but even they are a dying breed. I don't know if that policy would extend to satellite, cable, non-traditional media. That may be too early to benefit the Trio but eventually that is what is going to happen and it will be a free for all musically if an act is lucky to catch on somehow. Movies may become the way for musical acts to be heard so much so that the movies are created solely for that purpose. Or even as forced ad music clips on yahoo instead of the annoying ads we see now.
What happens after they (TRIO individually and collectively) are dead? About 10-15 years ago on the old forum I posted a thread entitled Linda Ronstadt Sings Every Song Ever Written or something like that. At least Linda, her image, voice and persona will be immortalized in laser holography with sound. It will be difficult to tell the new Linda from the old Linda. Any song can be programmed to match with precision every single note, pitch, phrasing...all of it...into an amazing show. They can even present young Linda and old Linda physically at the same show. She can do her hits OR whatever the hits are of the day. My guess is this would be limited to mostly the bigger stars in the music world like Linda, Frank, Barbra, Ella, Elvis, etc. and it may even find a home in Vegas or their hometown theatres...and even a music museum. So that has been my vision of what if for quite some time. Each of these people and other historical figures will be recreated. After all, most things are an illusion....even now.
It is already happening to a lesser degree.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=musical+holigraphic+shows#id=38&vid=fb944322aef48c400baa9377000b91a2&action=clickaugmented reality with Microsoft Hololens
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