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Post by Dianna on Jan 20, 2016 0:43:56 GMT -5
>> of The Oscars
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Post by erik on Jan 20, 2016 10:28:50 GMT -5
While what Ms. Hubert says is very caustic, she is right on this in my opinion.
And while I will admit that Will Smith should at least have been given a Best Actor nomination for CONCUSSION, I firmly believe that the work involved in filmmaking must be judged on merit alone, not whether the participant is white, Black, Hispanic, Jewish, or any other race, religion, or ethnicity. To just spread the wealth around to look more "diverse" is a form of political correctness which I absolutely abhor.
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Post by Dianna on Jan 20, 2016 15:55:55 GMT -5
I haven't seen Concussion yet.. and there is one thing "Aunt Viv," said that is a pet peeve of mine lol.. she mentioned Will's accent in the character he played for that movie.. wasn't that good .. this is one of the things that bugs me about actors.. (DiCaprio).. his character accents aren't that good IMO or up to par to others.. dont get me wrong, he's a very good actor (Gilbert Grape) but he aint no Meryl Streep.
Another thing Will SMiths response when she asked him to be their advocate in getting more money during Fresh Prince.. I know it's he said she said. but I can picture him saying that, and that to me is kind of chicken shit of him...
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Post by goldie on Jan 20, 2016 23:20:09 GMT -5
I don't think there would be much of a problem if there were more roles for people of color. Address that first and this controversy goes away. Just like life so many of our black and Hispanic youth are unemployed and in my opinion the USA suffers from institutional racism so much so that non-minorities don't seem to notice or understand what is going on.
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Post by Dianna on Jan 21, 2016 0:52:42 GMT -5
Here is Whoopi Goldberg's (from The View) opinion
She gets too out of hand and doesn't want to hear the other persons opinion... oy
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Post by goldie on Jan 21, 2016 1:23:47 GMT -5
Good discussion. I think Whoopi hit the nail on the head!
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Post by Dianna on Jan 21, 2016 19:11:33 GMT -5
Good discussion. I think Whoopi hit the nail on the head! I get the hot topics on my newsfeed.. the discussions have been pretty good lately.. I don't listen to a lot politics on tv or the radio because I usually zone out.. |
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Post by erik on Jan 21, 2016 19:57:37 GMT -5
I am reminded of the fact that, thirty years ago, there was a film with a primarily all-African American cast that included Whoopi and Oprah called THE COLOR PURPLE, which was highly acclaimed by critics and was a box office hit. But come Oscar time, it gets 11 nominations and walks away with...none. And a similar bunch of African-American activists back then just ratted on this film and its depiction of blacks, despite the fact that it is based on a highly acclaimed book by an African-American (Alice Walker), primarily because it was directed by a White guy, and a Jew no less: Steven Spielberg.
So when I hear this bellyaching going on about this year's Oscars, I am reminded about the b****ing that was done over a film that had a cast of really great black actors and actresses, and I'm thinking to myself that this is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended in any way).
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Post by Dianna on Jan 21, 2016 20:52:47 GMT -5
I don't know what happened back then in regards to the color purple.. but IMO whoopi does bring up a valid point.. until lead roles that are now predominately white such as i.e. batman, superman, spiderman ect or as she mentioned characters in avengers and not just a few tokens.. it won't change. and when it does happen.. that people quit pointing out the obvious. OMG the new batman super hero is african american .. we don't do that with white actors/actresses..we say OMG Ben Affleck is the new batman
* or Avatar.. a movie beginning with an "A" lol
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Post by Belle on Jan 21, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5
Janet Hubert - You go girl!  I thought George Clooney had a decent response to the issue: George Clooney: If you think back 10 years ago, the Academy was doing a better job. Think about how many more African Americans were nominated. I would also make the argument, I don’t think it’s a problem of who you’re picking as much as it is: How many options are available to minorities in film, particularly in quality films? I think we have a lot of points we need to come to terms with. I find it amazing that we’re an industry that in the 1930s, most of our leads were women. And now a woman over 40 has a very difficult time being a lead in a movie. We’re seeing some movement. Jennifer Lawrence and Patricia Arquette have made the loud pronouncement about wage disparity, have put a stamp on the idea that we got to pay attention. But we should have been paying attention long before this. I think that African Americans have a real fair point that the industry isn’t representing them well enough. I think that’s absolutely true. Let’s look back at some of the nominees. I think around 2004, certainly there were black nominees — like Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman. And all of a sudden, you feel like we’re moving in the wrong direction. There were nominations left off the table. There were four films this year: “Creed” could have gotten nominations; “Concussion” could have gotten Will Smith a nomination; Idris Elba could have been nominated for “Beasts of No Nation;” and “Straight Outta Compton” could have been nominated. And certainly last year, with “Selma” director Ava DuVernay — I think that it’s just ridiculous not to nominate her. But honestly, there should be more opportunity than that. There should be 20 or 30 or 40 films of the quality that people would consider for the Oscars. By the way, we’re talking about African Americans. For Hispanics, it’s even worse. We need to get better at this. We used to be better at it. Variety Article - George Clooney |
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Post by Dianna on Jan 21, 2016 22:15:24 GMT -5
Nichelle Nichols - Star Trek (Uhura) explains it well too. |
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Post by Belle on Jan 22, 2016 17:19:31 GMT -5
This is going around Facebook today...  |
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Post by erik on Jan 22, 2016 18:15:47 GMT -5
Quote by Belle:
Oh well, as Robert is right to quote, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?
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Post by goldie on Jan 22, 2016 23:15:32 GMT -5
I don't know that it is an intended and/or organized effort to keep minorities out of films but when you put them collectively together for any year the omission is very obvious. If one or two companies cast and made every movie then it would seem somewhat conspiratorial but the old movie system is gone and there seems to be a system that is not interconnected that can fill in the dots as in this case. If half of the movie audience is Black than someone somewhere is missing some golden opportunities. What do you want to be we see a glut of inclusiveness in the near future?
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Post by Dianna on Jan 23, 2016 20:19:41 GMT -5
yes.. I see stuff like that all the time and roll my eyes.. almost everything on tv caters to white audiences, simply because the majority of people watching American tv are white. The same with Black History month. Or the claim to be offended by the name "cracker or cracka" verses the N word.. |
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