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Post by rick on May 28, 2015 0:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by diego on May 28, 2015 5:26:30 GMT -5
found this as 73 on Linda Ronstadt rarties on youtubes. winder if iz the same ?
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Post by Richard W on May 28, 2015 8:40:04 GMT -5
The same. The Second Disc blog credits Silver Wings from that album as the track on the new compilation.
Honestly, I've always been disappointed with Linda's reading of this song. I mean, I love the song itself and, of course, Linda, and was anticipating being blown away by the combination of the two. Instead, Linda's reading is, to my ear, rather emotionally monochromatic and pedestrian. Not bad (not with that voice) by any means, just not the emotional punch I expected.
As opposed to the other Linda track on that album, the duet with Tracy Nelson on Rock Salt & Nails. Now THAT is a killer track. Too bad that song wasn't included on the new compilation instead.
But who am I? People hear different things. I mean, if John Rockwell can dismiss Linda's version of Blue Bayou as "not very interesting" in his review of Simple Dreams, then others may find Linda's Silver Wings stunning. And good for them.
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Post by erik on May 28, 2015 8:59:05 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
Linda always talked about that period in her career as being something on the order of her "lost years", in which she seemed to be so self-conscious of every note she sang, which may account for why "Silver Wings" doesn't do what one would normally think it would do in Linda's hands.
Then again, I read it somewhere with respect to "Rock, Salt, And Nails" that Tracy herself recalled Linda being seated in what to Tracy seemed to be in a horribly scrunched-up position and reaching a note that Tracy remarked she herself couldn't get to if somebody had goosed her.
You just never know when it comes to Linda's own perceptions of what she was doing in those supposed lost years (IMHO).
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Post by Richard W on May 28, 2015 11:50:02 GMT -5
Good points, Erik.
In my mind, Silver Wings + Linda Ronstadt = devastation. Instead, for me, the formula = OK. Just sort of comes and goes without leaving a mark.
Rock, Salt & Nails, however, is a gem. Both Tracy & Linda really put it across, and their harmonizing on the choruses is chilling.
Back to topic, that compilation looks to be a great collection. And glad to see Linda included, as she should be for a country-rock roots album.
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Post by Dianna on May 28, 2015 14:34:51 GMT -5
found this as 73 on Linda Ronstadt rarties on youtubes. winder if iz the same ? Nice.. but I'm kind with Richard on this. I wonder if it's because I am so used to and fond of Haggard's version. |
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Post by Guest on May 28, 2015 15:04:19 GMT -5
I found Linda's version of Silver WIngs stunning when I first heard it upon its release. I had never heard the song before. It is still a favorite of mine. I like all of her Bluegrass material, much of which is bootleg.
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Post by Earl's Influence? on May 28, 2015 18:06:44 GMT -5
I have to wonder if Linda's performance isn't what Earl Scruggs wanted. As a guest artist, wouldn't she be beholden to take direction from the primary artist?
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Post by erik on May 28, 2015 18:13:52 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
I suppose so. But there's a right way of doing this (and Linda did so with Tracy on "Rock, Salt, And Nails"), and a wrong way of doing it as well ("High Sierra", one of her worst vocal performances...and no, on this one, I will not budge).
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Post by Tony on May 28, 2015 23:23:56 GMT -5
Don't you ever go back and listen to High Sierra again to see if maybe you're missing something? I think Linda hit exactly the notes she
was aiming for in this song. I only say this because sometimes I hear a Ronstadt song that is one of my cringers ("People Gonna Talk," for example)
and find that my mood for that song is right that day.
That said, I have never ever listened to the song "Don't Cry Now" and appreciated it. That may never happen.
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Post by Guest on May 29, 2015 1:23:41 GMT -5
High Sierra is an awesome song. I am so glad it was Linda doing the lead vocals. Her albums have personalities. We Ran was not one of my overall favorites although I liked certain songs more than others. Now, years later I can't stop playing that masterpiece!!! And whoever said Linda Ronstadt abandoned Rock and Roll was wrong unless Winter Light and We Ran are figments of my imagination. She has an exceptional songbook that will live on as long as this world still exists. And yes, Rock Salt and Nails is a show stopper but I wouldn't necessarily compare it to her other two songs on that lp. I have read some criticism by Mariachi purists on Amazon telling readers to forget Linda Ronstadt (Canciones and Mas Canciones) and buy the "real thing." What they don't get is none of those "real things" has Linda's voice which is what brings us along on her musical journeys. While I will listen to Linda singing mariachi I have no desire to hear it by anyone else. Her voice has a very special, underlying quality to it. Like a siren song that holds you captive, plays with your mind,heart and senses until it finally lets you go but it keeps you addicted wanting for more.
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Post by erik on May 29, 2015 8:51:56 GMT -5
Quote by Tony re. "High Sierra":
I have tried over the last twenty years in repeated listenings to find something about her rendition of that song that I've missed, and to this day it hasn't happened. I have often made clear here that while the Nineties saw quite a bit of her best material, it is also the same decade that I felt she slipped in places. Compared to some of the past occasions when she handled traditionalist country material as well (like "Rock, Salt, and Nails"), "High Sierra" is where she sounds way too mannered and vocally all over the place to my ears. I'm sorry, but I am not convinced there's anything about it to change my opinion.
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Post by Richard W on May 29, 2015 10:52:43 GMT -5
Have to agree with Erik on "High Sierra". I don't find the song that compelling, and Linda seems to have acquired some vocal mannerisms on that song that I just don't like, especially adding an "H" sound on second notes/syllables ("fee-heel"). I've yet to take to it.
"Don't Cry Now"? Didn't take to it for 40 years, then BAM! Now? I absolutely love it. I think what kept me from it for so long was the choruses; Linda's and Wendy Waldman's voices often sounded hard and strident in their harmonizing. Somehow got over that and came to love their intricacy.
So you never know.
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Post by Love "High Sierra" on May 29, 2015 12:17:25 GMT -5
I guess this is why they make Chevys and Fords. People like different things. I adore her phrasing and emotion on High Sierra. Honestly it is in my Ronstadt top ten. There is one moment in the song that is chilling and gorgeous. When she sings "I've been cussed and I've been praised and I've been nothing these days." Linda said she rarely likes an entire song of hers but appreciates how she performed a line here and there. For me those moments are usually where her voice sounds pushed and guttural, complimenting the usual ease and sweetness of her voice. Another example is in Trouble Again "I was bl-i-i-i-i-i-i-nd." and in The Waiting "I'll be your bleeding heart, I'll be crying your fool. Don't let too far, don't let it get to you." I also just love "Crazy Arms" and "Silver Wings" I think those are the two of the most powerfully emotive songs of her first decade in recorded music.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 29, 2015 16:28:54 GMT -5
I love high sierra. not in my linda top ten but I love it. I too like the "I been cussed and I been praised and I been nothing these days." she sounds like she is living the song not literally but emotively. eddiejinnj
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Post by moe on May 29, 2015 17:19:06 GMT -5
I want to say first off I like "High Serria" but I can see how it could be a "not favorite". Linda is pushing her voice about as hard as it can go going right up to the edge of yelling. I feel sorry for the engineer who had to Mike her! At any rate I can see how one could view this as a -forgive me-Houstonesque gratuitous demonstration of vocal prowess. I think in my ignorance of the tradition of the work, which may demand a gentler treatment, that the full out approach works for me as a I understand the theme of the song. In the final analysis we are all fans and admirers not sycophants and don't have to love every syllable Linda uttered.
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Post by Tony on May 29, 2015 21:47:35 GMT -5
Have to agree with Erik on "High Sierra". I don't find the song that compelling, and Linda seems to have acquired some vocal mannerisms on that song that I just don't like, especially adding an "H" sound on second notes/syllables ("fee-heel"). I've yet to take to it. "Don't Cry Now"? Didn't take to it for 40 years, then BAM! Now? I absolutely love it. I think what kept me from it for so long was the choruses; Linda's and Wendy Waldman's voices often sounded hard and strident in their harmonizing. Somehow got over that and came to love their intricacy. So you never know. Fee-heel... I hate when singers break up the syllables like that-- odd I never really noticed it in High Sierra. My least favorite songs of Linda's are the ones where she shouts- So Right So Wrong, People Gonna Talk, etc. Maybe the slow shouters don't bother me as much.
It is absolutely the background/harmony vocals that irritate me with the song Don't Cry Now. I've probably only made it all the way through the song one time in the last 15 years. But next time it comes up, I will try to muddle through.
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Post by Guest on May 29, 2015 23:27:24 GMT -5
If I haven't started singing from the beginning of this song by 1:57 I can't resist and join in as she shucks the lyrics don't let it kill you babe don't let it get to you don't let it kill you babe don't let it get to you I'll be your bleeding heart I'll be your problem don't let this go too far don't let it get to youuuuuu. This is such a great song by Linda. Wish she had done more Petty songs which brings up a point. Had she been a songwriter we would have missed out on so much. Thank god she picked great songs from others.
And seeing her sing Feels Like Home in person was such an emotional experience for me...she was just a few feet away and I almost lost it. There was just a trace of sorrow in her eyes. On record it never had that effect. I was taken by surprise.
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Post by louder pussycat on May 29, 2015 23:32:29 GMT -5
My least favorite songs of Linda's are the ones where she shouts- So Right So Wrong, People Gonna Talk, etc. Maybe the slow shouters don't bother me as much.
The more screams and shouting the better. I love my LOUD Linda. If any girl rockers want a great name for a girl group they should call themselves "the Screaming Lindas." Few can scream in key like Linda Ronstadt.
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Post by Tony on May 29, 2015 23:52:24 GMT -5
I like the screaming songs... just not so much on the shouted ones.
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Post by Dianna on May 30, 2015 0:58:35 GMT -5
I love my LOUD Linda. If any girl rockers want a great name for a girl group they should call themselves "the Screaming Lindas." Few can scream in key like Linda Ronstadt. I do too. My favorite is from The Soundtrack to FM.. Tumbling Dice.... right on Key.. at the very end.. WHOAAAA BABY GOT TO ROLL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by rick on May 30, 2015 1:19:42 GMT -5
I love high sierra. not in my linda top ten but I love it. I too like the "I been cussed and I been praised and I been nothing these days." she sounds like she is living the song not literally but emotively. eddiejinnj Count me among those who love the song "High Sierra," too. I heartily agree with those for whom Linda's reading of "I been cussed....." resonates. Her take on that always moves me. So does "Did you know the sun shines when it rains?" This back-and-forth reminds me how those who have been on the Board a "long, long time" used to have very heated discussions when we were doing rounds of the best track on a certain album, narrowing it down to a Top 3, and then down to THE BEST SONG EVER! I know it bummed me out when people here dissed such Linda songs "That's Easy For You To Say" off of "Get Closer." As for Linda's vocal style, not mentioning any names, but Linda really "sings out" on "Mad Love." Do those who don't like "screaming" or "yelling" have issues with the song "Mad Love" or "How Do I Make You?" or "Hurt So Bad", or "Get Closer" or "Lies" on "Get Closer"? I love some of these more than others, but I love them. I used to know a guy who was a fan of Linda's. And he would tell me that he had a friend who hated Linda Ronstadt because, according to his friend, "She doesn't sing; she bellows." So when I hear these "complaints" about classics like "Don't Cry Now" or such, I think, "So you think Linda bellows?" |
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Post by fabtastique on May 30, 2015 1:34:35 GMT -5
Linda showing off her powerhouse voice on songs like "So Right So Wrong", "Trouble Again" "High Sierra" etc .... I love! Sure wish she could still be belting those tunes now.
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Post by Applejack on May 30, 2015 3:45:03 GMT -5
I also love those gospelish songs like So Right So Wrong, Cry Like A Rainstorm and even her Bluegrass gospel off label.
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Post by Plaything on May 30, 2015 3:55:25 GMT -5
In the Waiting I start singing at "then there were those that made me feel good but never as good as I feel right now baby you're the only one that's ever known how to make me wanna live like I wanna live now I say yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah at 1:15. I like the term "shuck" for the way she spits out those lyrics haha.
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Post by fabtastique on May 30, 2015 5:28:15 GMT -5
yes The Waiting too .... one of the last songs she displayed that growl in her voice  |
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Post by Richard W on May 30, 2015 9:55:05 GMT -5
"Don't Cry Now" also has that wonderful line, "like a painter who waits for the sunrise / with a picture in both of his hands".
I also love the old-timey gospel-ish piano intro that sets up the song.
As for Linda's shouts and growls, I love them. Like Little Richard, she shouts on key.
While Feels Like Home is not a favorite album for me, "Women 'Cross the River" is one of the (overlooked) gems on it. Fantastic song with unusual lyrics, and Linda serves it up perfectly and delivers the final line, "the women 'cross the river / they can kill you with their eyes" just right.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 30, 2015 17:04:26 GMT -5
actually that song was not my wow song. I understood it in Linda terms and why she did it. for me who loves her high soprano and mid-tempo octave jumps like she does, this song was very mid-range. there are some tender moments in it I like. eddiejinnj
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 30, 2015 17:13:00 GMT -5
the waiting as far as power and catchiness is great. with such power and so many lyrics you would almost have to shout it in Linda terms. I could not see her doing a gritty slurry nuanced tom petty version. he uses his florida accent to his advantage and can be rocking while having laid back the words will come when they come vocals if you get me? linda went full on and it and "walk on"
make for a kick butt intro into flh. I think erik said and I agree that was one song that because of ageism etc in the music biz that "walk on" got gratuitous at best radio play. actually, it is up there in my songs I admire most. the epitome of country rock. she sounds youthful, sexy, angry and confident. I can see why Matraca Berg was gushing over Linda recording it. eddiejinnj
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Post by Guest on May 30, 2015 18:13:30 GMT -5
Feels Like Home was full of songs that should have been hits. Eddie is right, ageism has more influence than we want to admit especially when the buying public for most music and music radio has always been the youth market and "new" artists who would never have Linda's longevity. This album was a masterpiece that was heavily influenced by the Trio shadow. Pure, unadulterated classic Americana at its best. I never understood how any fan couldn't count this as one of Linda's best albums but then you get into "tastes" again.
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