Glen Campbell vs. The Doors

[erik]

Linda evidently wasn't the only one who had trouble opening for The Doors (no pun intended). So too did Glen Campbell early on, while part of The Wrecking Crew:

www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/glen-campbell-talks-disastrous-shows-opening-for-the-doors-20150312

[sliderocker]

I recall Jackson Browne talking about hanging out at Monkee Peter Tork's house in 1968 and there were all sorts of things going on, from numerous people openly having sex (groupies with artists) to musicians jamming with other musicians. Browne recalled someone riding in on a motorcycle and then yelling all night like a madman. He was told the next that it was Jim Morrison.

Morrison seemed to be very much a troubled soul or at least gave that impression. Had he not made it, one could almost have seen him following the same path as Charles Manson. Still, how much of that insanity could've been nothing but a put on? People who were around Morrison insisted he didn't get along with parents, yet that was not the impression one got watching his dad and sister talking about him. His dad didn't even know he was a singer or was interested in singing and couldn't even tell you any of the tunes, yet one still gets the impression he cared about Jim and that the two talked. And Morrison's share of the Doors' various royalties went to his parents. Another irony about his being in Paris is that aside from his arrest in Miami, which he was still fighting, he was said to be tired of his image as an angry rocker and wanted to get away from that. His mysterious death makes it impossible to know if he was succeeding.

[rockrohar]

as Linda Ronstadt said before one's life experiences contribute to writer's and singer's talent, makes only mention of her perception, but nothing on Morrison's poetry or song writing, let alone the quality of his singing ability, Referring to the audiences being attracted to Morrison, as a sickness, but liking the small trio of musician's music, it appears she's not being honest or objective.

[Tony]

May 1, 2017 21:42:31 GMT -5 rockrohar said:

 it appears she's not being honest or objective.

I think Linda honestly thought that, from her personal experience, Jim Morrison was a POS.

[the Scribe]

Personally I liked their music and Jim's voice. He was a compelling figure and his ties to the intelligence underworld makes him that much more interesting and mysterious. His behaviors were a bit odd though however I have read descriptions of him that are the opposite of the craziness. He didn't like all the attention, especially the sexual icon attention as he was actually introverted unless he was on something. His longtime neighbor said he was actually a gentle soul and others say Borderline Personality Disorder much like our President Trump. I would worry he might not be able to distinguish fantasy from reality so I can see how someone who behaves like that could be frightening to be around.

Can I just say, I am loving this thread. I adore Jim Morrison beyond all comprehension. <3

I'm going to say that he's an ISxP purely because of the SP link that was posted earlier in the thread, and also because I think he was incredibly introverted. He was quiet, thoughtful, he never really let anyone get very close to him (even those who knew him well claim that they never knew the real Jim Morrison), and he had the uncanny ability to read beyond situations.

Going through the thread, there are four counts for ISTP (making in the consensus in terms of his MBTI), and I have to say that I can definitely see ISTP working for him.

ISTPs have a compelling drive to understand the way things work. They're good at logical analysis, and like to use it on practical concerns. They typically have strong powers of reasoning, although they're not interested in theories or concepts unless they can see a practical application. They like to take things apart and see the way they work. This is pretty spot on. I'm not sure if any of you ever read his biography "No One Here Gets Out Alive", but in it they discuss that Jim was very much a fan of Socrates. Apparently what Socrates would do is that he would go out into the marketplace and harrass people with really unnerving questions. He did it mostly to see how they would react/respond. Jim thought this was fantastic and would often do this himself. Another example would be one time when he was staying at a female friend's house. She awoke in the middle of the night to find Jim standing above her bed with a knife in his hand, poised as if she had caught him in the act of getting ready to stab her. She, naturally, freaked out and asked him to leave. He responded by giving her to knife and telling her to stab him, and that if she didn't stab him, he would kill her. Despite his attempts to move her to action, she refused. I can't remember exactly what happened after this, but the whole reason he'd done this was to test whether or not she was capable of defending herself in a life or death situation. A lot of his behaviour was done to provoke a reaction and watch the fallout. He was forever tormenting people just so he could see their reaction. To me, that was pretty much the main crux of his personality.

personalitycafe.com/infp-forum-idealists/84817-jim-morrison-2.html

www.walkingtheborderline.com/2010/08/borderline-personality-disorder-the-famous-cases/

www.spunk.org/texts/altern/pub/keith/sp000436.txt

[the Scribe]

People who were around Morrison insisted he didn't get along with parents, yet that was not the impression one got watching his dad and sister talking about him. His dad didn't even know he was a singer or was interested in singing and couldn't even tell you any of the tunes, yet one still gets the impression he cared about Jim and that the two talked.

How is that even possible? Although wasn't his dad the admiral for the Gulf Of Tonkin lie or coverup that got us into the Vietnam War? That whole time period was fairly bizarre but I do have to admit I love the psychedelic music it created as my favorite genre. Still how could his sister or father not know he was a huge music star?

Even today I think we are all getting jacked around by our intelligence agencies, including our president and political leaders. They seem to be in control of things.

What is also notable about the Gulf of Tonkin attacks was that the man in command of US forces "from his flagship USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31)" (Wikipedia) was Captain George Stephen Morrison whose son was soon-to-be-famous musician Jim Morrison.

There is even a photo circulating of Jim Morrison on board the Bon Homme in 1964 sitting beside his father. We've commented before on these strange circumstances, initially in an article entitled "Dreamtime For Baby Boomers" that cited research showing that many of the original musicians of the counterculture actually came from military families:

… In 20-part series, [David] McGowan points out how many of the initial hippy musicians of the 1960s got their start in the environs of California's Laurel Canyon, a tiny geographical region. Not only was there an incredible locus of soon-to-be international rock and roll stars within the environs of Laurel Canyon, the background of these initial stars were all the same and featured some sort of military experience or familial exposure to great banking wealth.

McGowan points out that Dennis Hopper's dad was in the OSS, the predecessor to the CIA. Warren Beatty grew up in and around the world's largest Naval facility in Norfolk Virginia. Jack Nicholson, McGowan reports, has no birth certificate. "It appears then that there is no way to determine who Jack Nicholson really is." Emmylou Harris is the daughter of a career US Marine Corps officer. Jim Morrison's father was a Navy admiral. David Crosby apparently served in VietNam as an intel operative. Jimmy Hendrix served in the military. Stephen Stills seems to have been a military intelligence operative frequently on assignment in Central America. "His military bearing would earn him the nickname The Sarge."

We've often referred to these strange coincidences since our initial cite, most recently in an article entitled, "Why Popular Music Is Less Successful These Days." Here's an excerpt:

… The "peace-and-love generation" was at least partially an intel promotion designed to split apart generations and generally cause social chaos. That promotion apparently included flooding the West Coast with LSD.

Timothy Leary was reportedly associated with the CIA along with mega-LSD distributor Owsley Stanley. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter, and head Merry Prankster Ken Kesey (founder and promoter of the "acid tests" during the sixties) reportedly participated in the government's LSD "research" at Stanford University.

The CIA's history with LSD goes back to the 1950s and Project MKUltra, supposedly a mind-control research program. Wikipedia tells us: "Early CIA efforts focused on LSD, which later came to dominate many of MKUltra's programs. Technical Services Staff officials understood that LSD distorted a person's sense of reality, and they felt compelled to learn whether it could alter someone's basic loyalties. … MKUltra records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by order of then CIA director Richard Helms."

From all of the above, we can certainly theorize that the 1960s countercultural movement was likely given a boost by US intel involvement and that this involved the music as well. The music strengthened and deepened young people's affiliation with countercultural philosophies.

We wish to remind our readers, just past the 50th anniversary of the Gulf of Tonkin attacks, that not only do the attacks themselves seem orchestrated but also the counterculture that would ultimately challenge the war.

In other words, incredible as it may seem, controlling elites of the day seemingly orchestrated both sides of a defining sociopolitical conflict in the US and in Europe as well. Though little noted, this is a prime example of how a controlling dialectic is created and implemented.

It is through the dialectic that control of society advances; the convulsions of the 1960s amply remind us of that. They exhibit clearly (if one is willing to accept these arguments) the ways that society and people can be manipulated.

These methods of social control are with us today, inherent in numerous memes we cover such as the growing worldwide legalization of drugs and, of course, the expansive nature of the Wall Street Party, which we believe may well continue beyond the end of 2014 for a variety of reasons important to our current elite power structure.

Dialectical manipulations are not in any sense historical and it is only thanks to the Internet that we can note the bigger sweep of history and its thematic elements. If we educate ourselves, we can integrate these manipulations, make sense of them, protect ourselves and even profit from them.

www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/gulf-of-tonkin-anniversary-ignore-the-dialectic-at-your-peril/

[erik]

Quote by Tony:

I think Linda honestly thought that, from her personal experience, Jim Morrison was a POS.

And I think that's what gets missed here. Linda was relating to Morrison from what she saw firsthand. She saw someone who was clearly in some other alternate universe when he was drunk or stoned, which by almost any reasonable standard was far too often. Linda, coming from a folk music background and being much more straight-laced, was exceptionally uncomfortable around that.

I would have to disagree, however, with Linda's view that the Doors would have been better without him. He was their front man, for better or worse (in this case, both); and I doubt very much that anybody would remember "Light My Fire" or "People Are Strange" or "Riders On The Storm" with someone other than "Jimbo" as their lead vocalist. The band was never the same after he died; and I don't think they'd necessarily have been a better band if they had formed without him in the first place. Like a lot of things in life, the Doors happened the way they did for a reason.

[the Scribe]

I don't think Linda's experience with Morrison was the definitive experience that all others had any more than two of Joan Crawford's coat hanger kids had with her while her other two didn't know what they were talking about. Let's face it, drugs were prevalent everywhere in the 60's and so was sex. Even Mama Cass was drugged out more than a few times. People react differently to drug use. Some get quiet, some get loud and obnoxious and some get dead. I think the spooks infiltrated these star parties and targeted certain individuals more than others with experimental drugs as well. What I would like to know is what was the purpose? Morrison and Joplin both were doing things out of character. Drives me crazy what these agencies get away with and the victims don't even know it. And when they target a beloved entertainer it makes victims of their fans as well.

[the Scribe]