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Post by rick on Mar 30, 2012 18:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Mar 30, 2012 20:06:06 GMT -5
I think this is a film that needs to be seen by everyone, regardless of whether they have been the victims of bullying, or the instigators. This is one ritual that really has to be stopped; it's not a rite of passage, it hurts.
And I hate to have to say this--I think the mentality in America of winning not being everything but the only thing, and loving only the winners and not tolerating losers, is the direct cause of bullying, even more than anything related to homophobia, racism, religion, or class. It's a disgrace that this mentality still exists here at all, and it's a mentality that needs to end.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 30, 2012 23:48:02 GMT -5
I think this is a film that needs to be seen by everyone, regardless of whether they have been the victims of bullying, or the instigators. This is one ritual that really has to be stopped; it's not a rite of passage, it hurts. And I hate to have to say this--I think the mentality in America of winning not being everything but the only thing, and loving only the winners and not tolerating losers, is the direct cause of bullying, even more than anything related to homophobia, racism, religion, or class. It's a disgrace that this mentality still exists here at all, and it's a mentality that needs to end. Amen and I second everything you wrote. I was a victim of a few bullies, in and out of school. And back in those days, if you complained, you were considered a wimp, so it was either deal with it or fight back. Compared to the bullying we see and hear going on these days, those were different times. Kids today killing themselves because of a bully and parents of the bullies making every kind of excuse that it's not their kid's fault, well, if that's true, then whose fault is it? The kid who couldn't deal with being bullied, so he or she killed himself? Please! The parents of the bully should've been responsible enough as parents to have stopped their son or daughter before things got out of hand. And once things did get out of hand, they ought to be responsible enough to own up to their actions or lack of actions and accept whatever consequences are meted out to their child and them. |
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Post by vikingfan on Mar 31, 2012 11:57:19 GMT -5
It's just so pathetic that this ratings board can wield so much power. Meanwhile they slap these violent, murderous, blow-up-everything-on-the-screen special effects blockbusters with a PG13 because it would spell doom at the box office for those movies. Meanwhile, here is a film trying to prevent REAL LIFE violence and because it contains the f-bomb they have to make sure kids don't see it...
And these same kids who can't see this film are playing video games where thay "kill" and "rape" people and some are in schools with other kids who are ticking time bombs, ready to shoot up or blow up their schools or ready to go home one day and commit suicide.
I guess the moral of the stopry is real life or movie or video game violence-GOOD. The f-word-BAD.
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Post by erik on Mar 31, 2012 17:06:33 GMT -5
In all good honesty, the 'R' rating is there for a reason; there is nothing to stop parents from going with their kids to see it for themselves. And really, when it comes right down to it, parents need to see this film as much as, if not more than, their own kids do. They need to know how this bullying starts, and just how responsible (or not) they actually are for it all.
Of course, the right-wing political groups here in America don't want this film to be seen by the masses because it reveals the dirty little secret about the way they think--that bullying for any reason is not only okay, but actually sanctioned. These people ought to be f***ing ashamed of perpetuating that kind of behavior in this country (IMHO).
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Post by jeffmeister on Mar 31, 2012 17:24:26 GMT -5
That's the problem ... they're NOT ashamed!
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Post by rick on Mar 31, 2012 23:45:53 GMT -5
According to the Los Angeles Times, it appears that The Weinstein Company is rumored to be planning to re-cut "Bully" in order to attempt to get a PG-13 rating -- latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2012/03/bully-g-13-new-cut-rating-mpaa-harvey-weinstein.html%20%20 Like Slide, I, too, was bullied in school. It got much worse in high school. For me, life really began in college as it was there that I learned that people were not just out to be cruel. Erik, as to your point about the "R" rating, I agree that the parents of both the bullied and the bullies should see the film. However, oftentimes, not only do the parents of bullies not want to admit there is a problem, the parents of children who are bullied have their heads in the ground, too. Had a film like this been around when I was 15, and, yes, too young to see an "R"-rated movie, I probably would have tried to seek it out myself to just have some kind of validation. I think in this country there has often been a tendency to blame the victim. In one of my first professional jobs, here in Los Angeles, I was talking with one of co-workers, a woman who was very liberal politically, said to me that if someone is bullied, that her attitude was, "If you can't survive your parents or high school, then you don't deserve to live." Yeah, uh-huh, kinda harsh. Believe me, I am not an apologist for conservatives. But I don't think that conservatives have a monopoly on believing that learning to survive bullies and bullying is just a rite of passage. |
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Post by rick on Apr 1, 2012 16:22:51 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Apr 5, 2012 22:18:41 GMT -5
Thankfully with a 'PG-13' rating, there's no reason why it shouldn't be shown to everyone. I don't think the essential thesis about the painful effects of bullying has been distorted by the change.
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