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Post by sliderocker on Aug 12, 2014 1:05:03 GMT -5
Peter Frampton a few years ago in an interview whined about how every time he released a new album, Robert Stigwood would arrange for yet another showing of one of the worst rock movies, "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" and that movie would kill sales of his new album. Well, he can't blame that bomb of a movie on his despicable behavior described in the author's blog in the link below. If anything, this tale has to be a classic example of how to lose fans without trying too hard. He comes across as a jerk for his action. The author calls makes some pointed comments about Frampton's behavior. Frampton would do well to apologize and make up for that behavior, but I got a feeling that ain't a gonna happen. www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-carpowich/peter-frampton-and-the-vandalization_b_5669792.htmlAnd about Frampton's "Sgt. Pepper" whine, at the same time in that interview in which he whined about Stigwood arranging for SPLHCB to air on tv and kill his new album sales, he also complained about how he was supposed to have had sole headliner billing and then Stigwood gave his then-clients, the Bee Gees, co-headliner billing. SPLHCB bombed and it seemed like almost everyone in the movie distanced themselves from it and moved on as fast as they could from it. Not Frampton and his manager. They quarreled with Robert Stigwood over the better part of a decade over the headlining issue. It lasted into the 90s, from what I recall. If anything killed Frampton's career, it was squabbling over that and not focusing on his career. He really has been his own worst enemy. |
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Post by erik on Aug 12, 2014 9:13:14 GMT -5
Well, it did sound like he torpedoed his career over this, and coming after his Frampton Comes Alive had become the biggest-selling live album in pop music history (a distinction it probably still holds, with sales approaching twenty million [YIPE!]).
He does have a point about the Sgt. Pepper movie, though. It isn't a very good movie; in fact, because it had a much bigger budget, it has the dubious distinction of giving you a greater appreciation for some of Elvis' lousier 60s B-films (e.g., CLAMBAKE and PARADISE, HAWAIIAN STYLE).
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 12, 2014 9:50:59 GMT -5
Well, it did sound like he torpedoed his career over this, and coming after his Frampton Comes Alive had become the biggest-selling live album in pop music history (a distinction it probably still holds, with sales approaching twenty million [YIPE!]). He does have a point about the Sgt. Pepper movie, though. It isn't a very good movie; in fact, because it had a much bigger budget, it has the dubious distinction of giving you a greater appreciation for some of Elvis' lousier 60s B-films (e.g., CLAMBAKE and PARADISE, HAWAIIAN STYLE). Just to play devil's advocate with Frampton, on the issue of fans taking pictures at concerts, I think his reaction was an overreaction that maybe harkened back to the 70s and 80s when professional photographers snapped photos of every kind of musical performer and then sold those photos to the fans without compensating the artists for use of their image. But, now, you have cell phones that can record videos of a concert, fans who sneak in a video cam to record the concert and rather than view it for their own enjoyment, they post it to youtube or worse, make copies to sell to others. But, while that practgice is despicable, it's an overblown issue. There's not that many posting to youtube or selling copies of what they recorded. Frampton's complaint over the matter of star billing on "Sgt Pepper" was an issue that he just should've dropped instead of dragging it on and on for years. His career stalled but it couldn't be blamed solely on that bomb of a movie. It was a bad idea of a movie, borne of another bad music only movie, the Who's "Tommy," which had also been produced by Stigwood. Funny thing about "Tommy," some of those who put down "Sgt Pepper" absolutely loved the movie version of "Tommy," which is hard to figure. Most rock movies are horribly bad to begin with and most made Elvis's worst movies look like high art by comparison. For all of the criticism about Elvis's movies, anyone producing a rock movie should be required to watch Elvis's movies, watch the best rock movies and then watch the bad ones for what to do and what not to do. Stigwood should've done that. Had he done so, might have spared the world of T and SPLHCB. |
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Post by notsogood on Aug 16, 2014 3:36:22 GMT -5
Not to be disrespectful but none of the Presley movies were very good either. He was too large a character in real life to be taken seriously in any part he played.
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 16, 2014 13:03:43 GMT -5
Not to be disrespectful but none of the Presley movies were very good either. He was too large a character in real life to be taken seriously in any part he played. Many of Elvis's movies were not very good but it's wrong to say they were all bad as some of them were good. But, Elvis's movies tended to get slagged by rock fans who didn't like his movies at all and whose frame of reference is usually post-Beatles if they lived through those times, or who haven't seen a lot of the really bad rock movies. If you take the rock movie genre as a whole, there are a lot of rock movies that are just plain terrible. And if you take the rock movie genre as a whole and just compare them against one another, some of Elvis's movies stand up better than you think. Granted, some of Elvis's movies were real clinkers, especially many of those produced cicra 1963-67. But, if you've ever seen any of the rock movies that were made in the late 50s and early to mid 60s that did not star Elvis, and there were quite a few of them, again, Elvis's movies look better by comparison. And I've seen quite a few of them. In the 70s and later, rock movies didn't really exist as a regular genre. But, of the movies that were produced in the 70s, most fell flat if acting was involved. And movies like "Sgt. Pepper" and "Tommy" practically killed the genre. As far as Elvis being too large a character in real life to be taken seriously in any part he played, I supposed one could also say that about John Wayne and any other actor who made a name for themselves in the movies. To be honest, I've always considered that kind of argument to be as bogus as they come, as when I'm watching a movie, I never forget that I'm watching actors playing characters in a movie and that everything about a movie is a work of fiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 13:22:59 GMT -5
I agree that Elvis was too vivid a character to capture on film. That being said, I see movies advertised every day that would make the worst Elvis movie seem like Citizen Kane, believe me...
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 17, 2014 10:54:28 GMT -5
I agree that Elvis was too vivid a character to capture on film. That being said, I see movies advertised every day that would make the worst Elvis movie seem like Citizen Kane, believe me... Most of the movies Elvis made were beneath his talent, and Hollywood was more than willing to let him stretch in something other than the musicals Parker and Wallis put him in. The stumbling block was always Parker, who would not allow Elvis to take on controversial roles or roles in which he did not have top billing. The role for "A Star Is Born" was passed on because Elvis would not have had top billing and Parker didn't even want co-top billing. Elvis was considered for "Midnight Cowboy" and had apparently been considered for "In Cold Blood," but Parker only wanted the family friendly fluff stuff. And as Parker ignored Elvis's wishes and would not listen to what his client wanted to do, Elvis didn't have any options but the ones he had. |
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Post by Dianna on Aug 17, 2014 12:54:35 GMT -5
Elvis would have been great in a Star is Born. It's stupid when egos get in the way
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Post by sliderocker on Aug 18, 2014 0:19:48 GMT -5
Elvis would have been great in a Star is Born. It's stupid when egos get in the way It would've been interesting to have seen what might have happened had Parker agreed to let Elvis star with Barbra, and allowed him to take second billing or co-top billing at least. That Barbra wanted Elvis but couldn't get around Parrker's demands probably was one of the final nails in Elvis's soon to be coffin. He wanted back in the movies, wanted to stop touring because it was the same cities year after year. Would it have hurt for Parker to Elvis have what he wanted for once rather than for what Parker wanted? Parker's ego had to be seriously out of control if he wouldn't even let his client decide what he wanted to do as an artist. And he had to be blind or just not give a damn that the constant touring was wearing Elvis down in such a way that it's a wonder the end didn't happen much sooner. |
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Post by Former Fan... on Aug 13, 2016 16:47:19 GMT -5
I have seen Peter Frampton 20 times in 4 year's...12 time's on his FCA35 tour...I met him and his band member's at 10 of those show's..They were always very nice...After a show in NJ his manager said that pix were allowed to be taken---When I took a pic PF went nut's YELLING and grabbed my camera---he was so angry I thought he would punch me in the face (he looked like the Devil possessed)...He ran onto his tour bus like a spoiled brat(IMHO) with my camera...The security guard's were on alert now watching me...I was calm...The manager was yelling at me and said that "YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE" and had to leave before PF would come out...I said I had no hard feeling's and just wanted my NIKON back...He went on the bus and got my camera...I APOLOGIZED to everyone for causing them not to meet PF...I left and heard cheer's as he came back out...As I was walking to my vehicle I heard SCREAMING and CURSING and BOOING.. As a women was being escorted away by security I asked what happened...She told me that she asked PF to sign something for her husband who has cancer and PF recognized her as someone that was video recording during the show and told her "no" and went back on the bus...The Security guard told me not to worry because PF is a 1970's PRIMA DONA who is rude to all the staff at the venue EVERY TIME he play's there...Having already paid a load of money for a ticket to PF and Cheap Trick in Atlantic City,NJ for the following month I was thinking of not going but decided why should I miss Cheap Trick...They were fantastic...I was in the 2nd row...I left when PF was doing his 3rd song...My cousin used to laugh and tell me that PF was rude to his fan's and that I was wasting my time seeing him...The night of the "incident" I had left my cousin's funeral viewing to go see PF...My family and friend's all said I should go...When PF and his manager were freaking out on me I was thinking MY COUSIN WAS RIGHT and was laughing at me from beyond...Inside I was laughing at 2 SILLY OLD MEN that think they are more important than they are...I won't ever go to a Frampton concert again...LOL...
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Post by nobody's nobody on Aug 13, 2016 17:37:11 GMT -5
There may be truth to Peter's complaint, Sliderocker, because I always thought of Peter as a "one hit wonder"? I mean, I literally threw a clock radio against the wall one morning after about 10 years straight of listening to "Do You Feel Like I Do"! I mean between that song and Debby Boone's "You Light up my Life" I was a basket case! Maybe I should have bought one of his albums? LOL
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Post by erik on Aug 13, 2016 18:03:57 GMT -5
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Well, Frampton did have other hits: "Baby I Love Your Way"; "Show Me The Way"; and "I'm In You". In general, though, like a lot of the classic rock artists of the late 1960s and beyond (including Linda), his success and reputation are built on albums as much as (if indeed not more than) hit singles.
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Post by nobody's nobody on Aug 13, 2016 18:32:51 GMT -5
Quote by nobody's nobody: Well, Frampton did have other hits: "Baby I Love Your Way"; "Show Me The Way"; and "I'm In You". In general, though, like a lot of the classic rock artists of the late 1960s and beyond (including Linda), his success and reputation are built on albums as much as (if indeed not more than) hit singles. Your so right Eric, but the stations and the almighty advertising dollar are the culprits in all this! They did play those other songs, but not nearly enough. I'll bet the advertiser's wouldn't have cared if the DJ's would have expanded their playlist a little? Even with Linda's music! Maybe the D.J.'s were under strict orders? |
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 16, 2016 15:13:59 GMT -5
Like Donald Trump in politics it appears Frampton didn't have the temperament to be a star. He obviously had an unrealistic picture of what that meant. There is a price for fame and fortune that does little good to fight so one might as well accept it with some grace and dignity.
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Post by erik on Aug 16, 2016 17:24:11 GMT -5
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That, and the fact that it's resulted in a total rewriting/distortion of rock and roll history by the corporate media, diminishing the importance of many, and inflating the important of just as many others (IMHO).
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Post by the Scribe on Aug 17, 2016 4:11:47 GMT -5
Quote by nobody's nobody: That, and the fact that it's resulted in a total rewriting/distortion of rock and roll history by the corporate media, diminishing the importance of many, and inflating the important of just as many others (IMHO). |
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