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Post by rick on May 20, 2013 13:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by the Scribe on May 20, 2013 14:15:19 GMT -5
Fans have a tendency to blame Wenner for the KISS snub. (One brave loyalist even confronted Wenner on the street to demand answers.) But the real obstacle may be journalist Dave Marsh, who plays a key role in the selection process and once told MTV, "Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot."
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Fans have a tendency to blame Wenner for the RONSTADT snub. (One brave loyalist even confronted Wenner on the street to demand answers.) But the real obstacle may be journalist Dave Marsh, who plays a key role in the selection process and once told MTV, "Ronstadt is not a songwriter, Ronstadt was never a great singer , Ronstadt will never be a great singer, and I have done my share to keep her off the ballot."
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Post by erik on May 20, 2013 14:51:48 GMT -5
Given the fact that they were not really my kind of rock anyway (heavy metal or otherwise), I probably wouldn't feel much sympathy for them being snubbed, except of course for the fact that Dave Marsh once more has his dirty hands in that Cleveland cookie jar.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
I have no use for Wenner or his ilk. I can't buy KISS as Hall Worthy, though (sorry fans)
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Post by Dianna on May 20, 2013 15:39:03 GMT -5
I dunno, even if you're not a fan, they do meet the criteria. I like to be fair and keep my personal tastes out of it and look at the big picture. I'm a fan of Madonna but they (KISS) deserve to be there as much or even moreso than her IMO. And what an asswipe that Marsh is.. to say Linda is or never was a good singer.. come on! even if I wasn't a fan, I'd never say that.
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Post by rick on May 20, 2013 17:06:52 GMT -5
I have no use for Wenner or his ilk. I can't buy KISS as Hall Worthy, though (sorry fans) Erik and Robert -- I wasn't posting this item because of any feelings I have toward KISS - I am on your side in that they never did anything for me -- but because it is another omission from the RRHOF. Dianna, I may be wrong, but I think what Rob (RonstadtFanAz) was doing, was taking that one quote, and substituting "Linda Ronstadt" for "KISS," meaning those in a position to do anything view Linda the same way that they do KISS. That it might as well be interchangeable. (FYI -- every time I type "Ronstadt" on this Forum, of all Forums, the site underscores it in red as if the name is spelled incorrectly. Is there some global way so that the system doesn't recognize the namesake of the Forum as spelled wrong? Just a thought.) |
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Post by Dianna on May 20, 2013 17:09:27 GMT -5
well, I like this song.
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Post by erik on May 20, 2013 17:28:20 GMT -5
While they may not have been my kind of band, I think the impact that KISS had was fairly substantial, mixing 120+ decibel heavy metal with arena rock theatrics and ghoulish get-ups. They still have a huge following with their KISS Army; and whether one wants to admit it or not (in Marsh's case, of course, definitely not), they did make an impact.
As I've always said, it's the artists and/or bands who make the music; it's the fans who buy the music and the concert tickets; and it is the combination of those two entities who help make rock and roll history. It's up to the "historians" to chronicle it accurately, Of course, that seems to be less than true when it comes to the RRHOF (IMHO).
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Post by Dianna on May 20, 2013 22:21:43 GMT -5
Here's another one for ya, Erik.. (with Mr Yearwood)
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Post by musicaamator on May 21, 2013 6:24:07 GMT -5
I have to admit, I was a big Kiss fan back in the 70's. Wanted so much to join the Kiss army but my mom wouldn't let me. She thought they were satanic with the make-up and all (even though she help me purchase my first Kiss album in '76, the Rock n' Roll Over album). Then I kind of lost them in the 80's with the personnel changes and taking the make-up off.
Funny thing about the make-up--it was a big deal when they were about to be revealed on MTV without make-up that my friend and I made sure to watch it. And when we saw their mugs without it on, we said please put it back on! LOL
Anyway, based on criteria they should be in.
Strange that Paul would say that the RRHoF is a big marketing scheme. Ironic considering how marketable KISS is...(their merchandise, etc.)
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Post by Dianna on May 21, 2013 12:25:16 GMT -5
I have to admit, I was a big Kiss fan back in the 70's. Wanted so much to join the Kiss army but my mom wouldn't let me. She thought they were satanic with the make-up and all (even though she help me purchase my first Kiss album in '76, the Rock n' Roll Over album). Then I kind of lost them in the 80's with the personnel changes and taking the make-up off. Funny thing about the make-up--it was a big deal when they were about to be revealed on MTV without make-up that my friend and I made sure to watch it. And when we saw their mugs without it on, we said please put it back on! LOL Anyway, based on criteria they should be in. Strange that Paul would say that the RRHoF is a big marketing scheme. Ironic considering how marketable KISS is...(their merchandise, etc.) ha ha... Not me.. Paul and Gene.. Me along with many other grls liked their looks BACK THEN (w/out makeup) |
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Post by the Scribe on May 21, 2013 12:46:22 GMT -5
I think what this points out is that one pivotal person on the board of the RRHOF is influencing Rock History based on his own bias and beliefs and not facts or truth. The same people should not be on the board year after year. You get one or two years on and then you are OFF! We would see a much different Hall of Fame then. (kind of like term limits)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 12:54:37 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the road block on the Hall of Shame overrides the entire issue no matter how worthy (or not) the candidate is... Judges should not bring their own bias to the table... Time for Dave and his ilk to step down!
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Post by Richard W on May 21, 2013 14:18:10 GMT -5
I have no use for Wenner or his ilk. I can't buy KISS as Hall Worthy, though (sorry fans) Erik and Robert -- I wasn't posting this item because of any feelings I have toward KISS - I am on your side in that they never did anything for me -- but because it is another omission from the RRHOF. Dianna, I may be wrong, but I think what Rob (RonstadtFanAz) was doing, was taking that one quote, and substituting "Linda Ronstadt" for "KISS," meaning those in a position to do anything view Linda the same way that they do KISS. That it might as well be interchangeable. (FYI -- every time I type "Ronstadt" on this Forum, of all Forums, the site underscores it in red as if the name is spelled incorrectly. Is there some global way so that the system doesn't recognize the namesake of the Forum as spelled wrong? Just a thought.) You have to add "Ronstadt" to your dictionary (or have it learn spelling). I know because I mentioned this a couple of years ago, noting the irony that "Ronstadt" always comes up on spell-check on the Ronstadt fan forum -- when actually there was no irony at all; it's just a matter of having your system's dictionary recognize it. As for KISS, was never and am not a fan. Still, the same could be said by me for several other inducted acts, yet I recognize that, personal tastes aside, they merit induction. As for Ronstadt, the way things are going, Taylor Swift will be inducted before Linda will... |
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