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Post by the Scribe on Jan 14, 2013 15:10:33 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't admit to too much either although there has to be some "good stuff" to help it sell. I think she probably understands that. What makes Linda different than many of the others brought up is that she was a pioneer as a woman in Rock, really the first Queen of Rock and Roll. She happened to date an incredible list of men, mostly comedians (it seems.. ha) not to mention funny man Jerry Brown who happens to be the current Governor AGAIN. Her views as an Arts activist and Human Rights activist will be very interesting to read as well as anything new we as old fans or stuff for new fans would like to read. I wonder if she could release something she has in her recording vaults as part of the package? Lots of possibilities. From Philly's article find last week it seems there may be a lot of people anticipating this book. All her releases are an event in my opinion.
There is so much information she may actually be able to do memoirs and an autobiography. If her memoirs are multimedia then they may need to obtain rights and licensing to some stuff which could take some time.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 14, 2013 15:58:10 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't admit to too much either although there has to be some "good stuff" to help it sell. I think she probably understands that. What makes Linda different than many of the others brought up is that she was a pioneer as a woman in Rock, really the first Queen of Rock and Roll. She happened to date an incredible list of men, mostly comedians (it seems.. ha) not to mention funny man Jerry Brown who happens to be the current Governor AGAIN. Her views as an Arts activist and Human Rights activist will be very interesting to read as well as anything new we as old fans or stuff for new fans would like to read. I wonder if she could release something she has in her recording vaults as part of the package? Lots of possibilities. From Philly's article find last week it seems there may be a lot of people anticipating this book. All her releases are an event in my opinion. There is so much information she may actually be able to do memoirs and an autobiography. If her memoirs are multimedia then they may need to obtain rights and licensing to some stuff which could take some time. I can think of a few possible revelations about her private life that could cause many to be caught off guard and totally surprised (such as possibly an early marriage or being secretly married for years), but I think there will be something about her private life talked about, but not too much. Still, if there is anything too surprising, I'd rather she addressed it than let the dirtbaggers dish it out when she's no longer around to defend her honor. Linda has always struck me as a very sharp individual in the interviews she did, and she may not have need of looking up info on something from her past to write about it I think the best person to write about their experience is the person who lived it. But I recall another conversation I had with someone about the various Beatle biographies. And that person thought the bigraphers were best suited to write about the Beatles as a whole because they would be writing about the Beatles without any biases or need to build themselves up at the expense of the Beatles. I thought that was wrong because a biographer can put too much of his or her opinion in as fact, rather just telling the story as it happened. Too many biographies still blame Yoko for the breakup rather than all of the things that led up to the break up. Yoko had some of the blame but as Paul said, it was the Beatels themselves who were largely responsible for the breakup, along with the death of their original manager and business problems with Apple and other business related concerns. Telling something false or presenting an opinion as fact still makes it false in the end.
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Post by philly on Jan 14, 2013 17:08:57 GMT -5
Don't forget that Linda supposedly doesn't own a computer and doesn't get on the internet, although there was a comment or story I recall reading from a year or two back in which it was said she got online at a friend's house to get some photos her family had posted. I know she's talked about having purged the internet and tv from her home in the past. I think she even went to using gaslights at some point, lol. When she testified before congress a couple years ago about music education funding, she talked about using a website that had a program that exercised the brain in some way. She has a macbook, iphone, itunes. Plus she's mentioned enjoying youtube videos a lot in recent years. Although she said she avoids reading any of the comments, lol!
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Post by Dianna on Jan 14, 2013 17:09:36 GMT -5
there's nothing there philly. You were responding to slide. Anyway, she has mentioned in recent she has a laptop.
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Post by Dianna on Jan 14, 2013 17:10:32 GMT -5
oops never mind.. I see your msg now. and right, I heard the same thing too
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 14, 2013 18:08:08 GMT -5
I can think of a few possible revelations about her private life that could cause many to be caught off guard and totally surprised (such as possibly an early marriage or being secretly married for years), but I think there will be something about her private life talked about, but not too much. Still, if there is anything too surprising, I'd rather she addressed it than let the dirtbaggers dish it out when she's no longer around to defend her honor.
Didn't Joni Mitchell release the news in her book she had a child and gave it up for adoption at the beginning of her career? Maybe Linda and Lowell George or ? had a child. Of course, that is a very difficult thing to hide. Something like that is always better coming from the horses mouth.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 15, 2013 16:13:30 GMT -5
I know she's talked about having purged the internet and tv from her home in the past. I think she even went to using gaslights at some point, lol. When she testified before congress a couple years ago about music education funding, she talked about using a website that had a program that exercised the brain in some way. She has a macbook, iphone, itunes. Plus she's mentioned enjoying youtube videos a lot in recent years. Although she said she avoids reading any of the comments, lol! When I read of Linda saying she didn't have things like a computer or tv or what have you, didn't use electricity, I had to wodner if she was weirding out as she got older. But, then I read other articles where it talked about her having computers and a large screen tv in her home, so I figured she had them but just didn't use them much. When it comes to celebrities having computers and being online, I'm suspicious of any celebrity who claims they don't own a computer or don't get online. I knew of a handful of celebrities who were online, even knew some of the screen names, and some even interacted with the fans (trying not to let the fans know who they were, but some gave themselves away). I always figured Linda had a computer and did get online. Maybe not with any regularity, but I figured it was a possibility she could've chatted with fans but not told the fans who they were talking to. I find it interesting that she watched youtube videos but claimed to never read the comments. I think celebrities want to know what their fans have to say about them - think they would be too curious about that. So, Linda may say she doesn't read the comments but I'd be willing to bet she does read them. (As with the issue of celebrities online, some of the celebrities, mainly those who were once known for their hits, do post on youtube - adding their own comments or acknowledging and thanking fans for theirs.)
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 15, 2013 16:50:53 GMT -5
Didn't Joni Mitchell release the news in her book she had a child and gave it up for adoption at the beginning of her career? Maybe Linda and Lowell George or ? had a child. Of course, that is a very difficult thing to hide. Something like that is always better coming from the horses mouth.
I'm pretty sure Joni did mention in her book having a child and giving the child up for adoption. As for Linda having a child - with Lowell George? Wasn't he married? I've never heard of Linda having a relationship with a married man as that could've created a scandal that would've been detrimental to her career, not to mention costing her money if she had been named a correspondent in a divorce case and ended up being sued for breaking up a marriage.
When it came to Linda's dating habits, I did read a few comments in the various interveiws on the unofficial LR website where she talked about dating guys who were musicians or after becoming wealthy, only dating guys who had as much money as what she had and not being interested in someone who wasn't as successful and who didn't have much money. I thought that the latter wasn't a good dating attitude to have as if you want to only date someone whose wealth is equal to yours, or close to yours or greater than yours, you probably have less chance of finding someone and being in a successful relationship. Sometimes, a lasting relationship can be with the person with whom you had very little in common.
I've got doubts that Linda will have anything truly shocking or outrageous to say in her book. Maybe she can open up a little more on what it was about her music that she just didn't like? I kind of hope she takes the higher road and not slam other musicians. I read Ann and Nancy Wilson's recent auto-biography and while they wrote a very entertaining book, they slammed some musicians for the slings and arrows they endured when they were starting. Maybe it was fair and right for them to give back what was dished their way as it was obvious the slings and arrows still stung, but I wouldn't have lowered myself to the level of the musicians who gave them a hard time. They proved themselves worthy over time.
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 15, 2013 17:51:49 GMT -5
That was only used as an example regarding Lowell George. It would have been difficult to hide a full term pregnancy once you became famous unless you lived as a recluse for several months. Joni was just starting out at the time she gave birth.
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Post by profstadt on Jan 15, 2013 20:02:38 GMT -5
While Linda is a fascinating figure (especially to us on the forum), as a subject for a dramatic film, her story just doesn't seem to have the requisite dramatic arc.
Perhaps it could be from an angle of Linda as a complex person that looks at the controversial aspects of her life, e.g. activisim, Jerry Brown (interesting what-if possibility, but not necessarily controverial), African tour, the Alladin etc. Or perhaps, her embracement of her Mexican heritage and movement into spanish language music would be an interesting angle.
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Post by musicaamator on Jan 15, 2013 20:20:06 GMT -5
Linda has been so guarded and protective of her private life (which is highly respected by me), that anything she divulges in this memoir will be news to me. I don't even know if her kids followed in her footsteps of pursuing music.
And I always wondered why she had a thing for comedians (Martin, Brooks, Carrey)--I guess it's the sense of humour aspect although I remember her 1983 Tonight Show interview where she mentioned that she was a "sucker for musicians."
Should be an interesting read.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 15, 2013 20:20:24 GMT -5
That was only used as an example regarding Lowell George. It would have been difficult to hide a full term pregnancy once you became famous unless you lived as a recluse for several months. Joni was just starting out at the time she gave birth.
I knew it was just an example but I figure something like that wouldn't have happened because Linda always seemed to have some very high morals, and don't think she would've fooled around with married men. Anyway, as it was, in the 70s, Linda was rarely out of the public eye for very long. She couldn't have hidden a pregnancy very well. Maybe in the 80s when she was seen less but it didn't seem to be a priority for her. Or at least she gave that impression publicly. Privately might have been another matter.
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Post by 70smusicfan on Jan 15, 2013 20:20:56 GMT -5
In response to Sliderocker's post (sorry, I haven't figured out the fancy reply boxes): "I read Ann and Nancy Wilson's recent auto-biography and while they wrote a very entertaining book, they slammed some musicians for the slings and arrows they endured when they were starting." I recently saw a post by Atura Vega about the Ramones holding a grudge about some LR negative comments to the media and crashing one of her record parties. See: www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/?cat=115
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 15, 2013 22:48:49 GMT -5
Interesting story...makes me wonder about a comment Linda made about once criticizing someone and then getting busted for her trouble? Could it have been the same incident described in the link to that story? It's a pity that some artists don't take it too kindly when another artist doesn't have something good to say about them and think only those who like their music should be saying something. Took a lot of brass for the Ramones to crash her party. Had it been me, I would've just took her criticism and said "Let's move on and forget about it." Of course, the Ramones were probably hoping the incident would've generated a little publicity. If it did, I guess it didn't generate the kind of publicity like the kind of publicity that occurred following an altercation between Elvis Costello and Bonnie Bramlett in some bar, after Costello made some disparaging remarks about singer Ray Charles. I don't remember it all but seems like Stephen Stills was involved as well in the episode. I think it got more publicity than it should have. That or it was a very slow news day as it made the evening news. I can't recall hearing or reading the story on the Ramones crashing Linda's party before, so that was a new tale to hear.
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Post by philly on Jan 16, 2013 1:01:21 GMT -5
If it did, I guess it didn't generate the kind of publicity like the kind of publicity that occurred following an altercation between Elvis Costello and Bonnie Bramlett in some bar, after Costello made some disparaging remarks about singer Ray Charles. I don't remember it all but seems like Stephen Stills was involved as well in the episode. I think it got more publicity than it should have. That or it was a very slow news day as it made the evening news. I can't recall hearing or reading the story on the Ramones crashing Linda's party before, so that was a new tale to hear. I remember reading about that, supposedly Elvis made a racist remark, and Bonnie KO'd him for that. Then I read she just punched him, no KO...I guess there's always going to be different versions of a story to go around. Anyways...I think it would behoove Linda to check out some online info about herself, this and the old fan forum in particular. To refresh her memory. I think she's likely forgotten some things in her past...she did joke about her memory and vision going as she got older at a benefit performance with Emmy in the late 90s/ early 00's. And she mentioned having no recollection of her appearance on the Andy Williams show at all, even after seeing it on youtube, lol.
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Post by erik on Jan 16, 2013 10:07:17 GMT -5
Quote by philly re. Linda's appearance on the Andy Williams Show in 1970:
She probably couldn't believe that was actually her; either that, or she was probably embarrassed. After all, she was just 24 when she was on that show, and still very much a "young'un".
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 16, 2013 15:25:47 GMT -5
Awkward moment. Thanks for posting that link to this Ramones story 70s Music Fan:The Stone Poneys / Linda RonstadtListen: Different Drum / The Stone Poneyswww.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/records/StonePoneysDifferentDrum.mp3Ok, so a follow up single isn’t always better than the hit preceding it, as was maybe the case with ‘Up To My Neck In High Muddy Water’. It’s hard to top ‘Different Drum’. In fact, Linda Ronstadt never did. At least I don’t remember her doing it, possibly due in part to my general lack of interest toward country leaning music back then. ‘Different Drum’ was indeed another story though. It became a radio staple not long after Jefferson Airplane’s somewhat similar sounding ‘White Rabbit’, and at the same time as both ‘Itchycoo Park’ by The Small Faces and ‘Zabadak’ from Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich. ‘Different Drum’ felt a bit psychedelic, even though it wasn’t. Maybe it was by association. Nick Venet was the producer and his work covered many genres. As a Capitol in house employee, seems he was handed all their youth culture signings of the day, thus slotting The Stone Poneys sessions between The Leaves, Lothar & The Hand People or Hearts & Flowers. It was one of many historic times at the Capitol Tower. Listen: Up To My Neck In High Muddy Water www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/records/StonePoneysUpToMyNeck.mp3Long before Simon Cowell, the ruthless corporate machine gnawed it’s way through bands, carving out the superstar for investment and mainstream marketing, leaving the other members to survive somehow. As when Clive Davis butchered Big Brother & The Holding Company for Janis Joplin, so too, it seems, did Capitol decimate The Stone Poneys for the asset now known as Linda Ronstadt. ‘Different Drum’ by The Stone Poneys was literally still on Billboard’s Top 100 when ‘Up To My Neck In High Muddy Water’ was released as Linda Ronstadt & The Stone Poneys. Housed in a full color sleeve, big things were expected. The record stalled at #93, but the setback was only temporary. She skyrocketed. It’s a great single despite the misery. Linda Ronstadt was particularly critical of The Ramones, having gone to CBGB’s, catching an early performance and trashing them the very next day in a local New York paper. It was a hurtful moment that they talked about on occasion. So when Elektra threw a rather lavish party for her in New York, upon release of a successful new album, CANCIONES DE MI PADRE, the mischievous idea of inviting the band was impossible to resist and they were happy to attend. We all met at Paul’s Lounge on 3rd and 10th, now a drug store, for a drink, then proceeded uptown to the event. Monte of course came along, Michael Alago and Arturo Vega did too. Everyone cleaned up on designer Mexican food, the album theme being traditional Mexican folk songs, and waited patiently for her to make the rounds, greeting her guests. The moment when she turned towards our table was classic, but it was too late to turn back. Obviously, she’d not been forewarned. Her look was priceless. DeeDee smiled and stared very menacingly, John just glared. Joey, after about five or ten seconds, decided to break the silence with “So Linda, long time no see”. Nervously: “How are you guys doing?” “We’re fine” replies John before she’s even finished her last word. Incredible singer, successful artist but at that moment, Linda Ronstadt was stumped. Wincing, she backed away and slithered into the crowd. Touché. Tags: Arturo Vega, Big Brother & The Holding Company, Billboard, Capitol, CBGB, Clive Davis, Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich, Dee Dee Ramone, Hearts & Flowers, Janis Joplin, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Linda Ronstadt, Lothar & The Hand People, Michael Alago, Mike Nesmith, Nick Venet, Simon Cowell, The Leaves, The Ramones, The Small Faces, The Stone Poneys This entry was posted on Monday, October 11th, 2010 at 12:01 am and is filed under Arturo Vega, Big Brother & The Holding Company, Billboard, Capitol, CBGB, Clive Davis, Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich, Dee Dee Ramone, Hearts & Flowers, Janis Joplin, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Linda Ronstadt, Lothar & The Hand People, Michael Alago, Mike Nesmith, Monte Melnick, Nick Venet, Simon Cowell, The Leaves, The Ramones, The Small Faces, The Stone Poneys. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site.
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 16, 2013 15:32:13 GMT -5
That was only used as an example regarding Lowell George. It would have been difficult to hide a full term pregnancy once you became famous unless you lived as a recluse for several months. Joni was just starting out at the time she gave birth.I knew it was just an example but I figure something like that wouldn't have happened because Linda always seemed to have some very high morals, and don't think she would've fooled around with married men. Anyway, as it was, in the 70s, Linda was rarely out of the public eye for very long. She couldn't have hidden a pregnancy very well. Maybe in the 80s when she was seen less but it didn't seem to be a priority for her. Or at least she gave that impression publicly. Privately might have been another matter. Morality is a subjective term plus there are all kinds of marriages i.e. open, closed, indifferent, etc. I had a neighbor who was also a teacher at the local school who didn't "show" at all. We were all shocked when she showed up with a baby. And yes, it was hers. The dingos went wild.
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Post by erik on Jan 16, 2013 18:58:19 GMT -5
As I've said regarding the memoir, what would fascinate me the most is how she related to and worked with all the people she worked with during the late 1960s and on into the 1970s, because she was in the forefront of a particular musical movement, the California country-rock boom, whose impact still reverberates even to this day. We all know about the drug use and the negative, and sometimes fatal, impact it had on those around her; it's the musical and personal aspects that I hope she gets more in depth to.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 16, 2013 20:06:41 GMT -5
She probably couldn't believe that was actually her; either that, or she was probably embarrassed. After all, she was just 24 when she was on that show, and still very much a "young'un". I'd guess that it was probably more that she was all over the place on tv, circa 1970-71 than anything else. When you think about it, she was on Johnny Cash's tv show, Glen Campbell's, the Everly Brothers's, Andy Williams's, Mike Douglas's, Playboy After Dark, et al. She did so many, she can be forgiven for not remembering every show she appeared on.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 16, 2013 20:29:59 GMT -5
Morality is a subjective term plus there are all kinds of marriages i.e. open, closed, indifferent, etc. I had a neighbor who was also a teacher at the local school who didn't "show" at all. We were all shocked when she showed up with a baby. And yes, it was hers. The dingos went wild. Morality is a subjective term but I still don't think Linda would've been engaged in an affair with a married man, even one that was in an open or indifferent marriage. For starters, what could've happened if Linda had decided she wanted marriage with that person? And then he dumped her because she was getting too serious and the only person he was interested in in the long term (other than himself) was his wife? I couldn't see Linda playing second to no one or being the other woman. And there are enough singles in the world that any single person doesn't need a relationship that could end up going nowhere for the single person.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 16, 2013 20:56:36 GMT -5
As I've said regarding the memoir, what would fascinate me the most is how she related to and worked with all the people she worked with during the late 1960s and on into the 1970s, because she was in the forefront of a particular musical movement, the California country-rock boom, whose impact still reverberates even to this day. We all know about the drug use and the negative, and sometimes fatal, impact it had on those around her; it's the musical and personal aspects that I hope she gets more in depth to. Most of the book likely will revolve around her musical life, as there is a lot of considerable territory to cover. But, I would still like to see (and read) a few anecdotes about her life outside of the music business. I think people interested in Linda want to know what she is like as a person outside of the music business. The best auto-bio books tell you something about the person as an individual, which can include relating to and working with others in the same field. You don't want your book to be an all nuts-and-bolts, all "And then I did..." affair. The auto-bio book by Ann and Nancy Wilson tells you something of their life growing up as much as it tells you about their ups and downs in the music business, the accolades and the disppointments. You know more about them as people, as individuals, as singer-songwriter-musicians. Nothing detracts from the music but what is written as far as the personal stuff only adds to their music.
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Post by MokyWI on Jan 16, 2013 21:41:16 GMT -5
I didn't take a negative vibe at all from Kicking & Dreaming by the Wilson Sister's and Charles Cross. They were telling their story the way the saw it, and Ann Wilson was slammed for her weight gain...I thought they were more than gracious, and I admire them both for their strength and drive & kick ass music. Thank you to them both, they added much to the song track of my teenage years. I still love them as much today as I did back then. They didn't point fingers to others as much as they did to themselves. They were gracious and pointed fingers at themselves just as much as anyone else. Ann Wilson took a lot of shit for being human. Those who called her on her weight should have taken a look in the mirror themselves. Ann Wilson was and is a beautiful woman as is her sister Nancy.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 16, 2013 22:30:38 GMT -5
I didn't take a negative vibe at all from Kicking & Dreaming by the Wilson Sister's and Charles Cross. They were telling their story the way the saw it, and Ann Wilson was slammed for her weight gain...I thought they were more than gracious, and I admire them both for their strength and drive & kick ass music. Thank you to them both, they added much to the song track of my teenage years. I still love them as much today as I did back then. They didn't point fingers to others as much as they did to themselves. They were gracious and pointed fingers at themselves just as much as anyone else. Ann Wilson took a lot of shit for being human. Those who called her on her weight should have taken a look in the mirror themselves. Ann Wilson was and is a beautiful woman as is her sister Nancy. I thought Kicking and Dreaming was mostly a good read. I have a lot of sympathy for Ann because of the problem she's had with her weight, and the sh*t and abuse that some have heaped on her over the years. There wasn't that much I found disappointing about them. My favorite story was about Nancy working on Vanilla Sky and trying to introduce Ann or Sue Ennis (can't remember which and can't look it up as I gave the book to my sister after I finished reading it) to Paul McCartney, and McCartney's reaction to Nancy was like "And who are you?" That had to be embarrassing. Another favorite was Ann's reply to a former classmate at her high school reunion, someone who had never been kind to her when they were in school because of her weight problem. And here he was, kissing her a** because she was now famous and probably hoping she had forgotten how mean and nasty he had been. Too bad for him she remembered and she told him to kiss off.
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 17, 2013 11:09:35 GMT -5
Morality is a subjective term but I still don't think Linda would've been engaged in an affair with a married man, even one that was in an open or indifferent marriage. For starters, what could've happened if Linda had decided she wanted marriage with that person? And then he dumped her because she was getting too serious and the only person he was interested in in the long term (other than himself) was his wife? I couldn't see Linda playing second to no one or being the other woman. And there are enough singles in the world that any single person doesn't need a relationship that could end up going nowhere for the single person.
I don't think the word "marriage" is in Linda's dictionary. Sometimes sex is just sex. That was especially true during the "season of love" which lasted about15 years lol. I don't know how any rockers could have easily escaped the temptations of sex, drugs and rock and roll. (especially if they are in their physical primes, lonely and on the road) Linda has admitted to being a serial monogamist for the most part but she is human and had the keys to the candy store. She was the Queen after all. (not to mention a women's libber which turned the male-female tables around in many ways). I am just saying I wouldn't be surprised if she did dabble and I wouldn't hold it against her either. We all (most of us I think) have wondered about some of the "things" we did while we were younger and shouldn't beat ourselves up about it. Whether she wants to share any of it sans detail is up to her. It wouldn't change the way I feel about her nor would the emergence of any "youthful" photographs change my mind.
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Post by Dianna on Jan 17, 2013 12:56:34 GMT -5
I'm sure Linda dabbled in her prime but women are a lot different than men are when it comes to casual sex or one night stands..women discriminate way more than men do.. I mean generally speaking Even transgender women.. most not all, when you see their attitude towards sex .. it's still from a man's point of view.. sexy and slutty.. lol
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jan 17, 2013 13:25:36 GMT -5
i believe we discussed that linda is now on the internet and does look at youtube. anything, i have seen her write or speak based on something she wrote has always been well thought out. i think that she would have to gather a lot of info and really outline and organize the material. it could be quite a task but as far as us fans, we surely will appreciate it. eddiejinnj
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Post by Ive Got To Know on Jan 17, 2013 13:58:16 GMT -5
Morality is a subjective term plus there are all kinds of marriages i.e. open, closed, indifferent, etc. I had a neighbor who was also a teacher at the local school who didn't "show" at all. We were all shocked when she showed up with a baby. And yes, it was hers. The dingos went wild. Morality is a subjective term but I still don't think Linda would've been engaged in an affair with a married man, even one that was in an open or indifferent marriage. For starters, what could've happened if Linda had decided she wanted marriage with that person? And then he dumped her because she was getting too serious and the only person he was interested in in the long term (other than himself) was his wife? I couldn't see Linda playing second to no one or being the other woman. And there are enough singles in the world that any single person doesn't need a relationship that could end up going nowhere for the single person. www.ronstadt-linda.com/artesq.htmFrom Esquire magazine, October 1985: What was it about "Long, Long Time"? There were two main theories I wanted to check out with Linda. First, the Unrequitedness Theory. According to one woman I know, the woman who's singing it never had the guy she's pining over. It's pure unrequited longing.
"Is the love in that song unconsummated?" I ask Linda. "Does she ever actually sleep with him?"
"Who knows," she says, sounding a bit annoyed at the question.
"Well, you sang it."
"I slept with him on several occasions," she declares. "And he was married, too."
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 17, 2013 15:03:17 GMT -5
I've Got To Know, that is one of my favorite Ronstadt interviews! ha Linda was very revealing there. I agree, dating a zebra would be a lot less complicated and probably more satisfying. (and at times I am sure I even smelled like a zebra)
Ah, yes. Orgiastic losing, abandonment, the divide between human beings. It's all there in Linda Ronstadt songs. And yet, what's the source of the sadness, the divide between human beings, the heartbreak and the hostility? Does it go back to the very first moment of cell division, is it built into the doubleness of the helix? Linda thinks hostility is built into the chemistry.
"I often felt that my attraction to certain men is based on smell, " Linda tells me. "My theory has always been that smell- if something didn't smell right you should never fight it, that if it does smell right it's a way of gene codes signaling to each other that it would be a good genetic combination. That's why you can be attracted to people that you don't like very much- because they have the right breeding. Somehow I think it's much more physical than any of us ever dreamed."
What complicates it even more, she believes, is the hostility she finds haunting the chemistry of sexual excitement. Not only are you attracted to people you don't like, she thinks, but not liking them is at the heart of the attraction.
"A friend of mine is Robert J. Stoller. He's an amazing guy. He's written some great books on the subject of sex and published a paper for a psychiatric journal at one time that suggested that romantic love was based on, for lack of a better word, hostility. That the tension that was created- that flirting was a form of hostility. The tension became that line that pulls you back, and without that, you didn't have romantic love. You might have friendship, but not romantic love. "
You have to have resistance?
"There are so many people who torment themselves over the idea that they're supposed to be with somebody that's easy to be with. Somebody that's, like, just a best friend. Then they sort of berate themselves and say, 'Why don't I have these sexual feelings for this person?'"
It took me a while, but I managed to locate the book by Linda's sex theorist. It's called Sexual Excitement- the Dynamics of Erotic Life. And despite its provocative title, it's a truly tragic theory.
Stoller gets his theme from an early, overlooked paper of Freud's, "On the Universal Tendency to Debasement in the Sphere of Love," in which Freud argues that "the curb put on love by civilization involves a universal tendency to debase sexual objects," and that an "obstacle is required in order to heighten libido, and when natural resistances to satisfaction have been insufficient, men have at all times erected conventional ones so as to be able to enjoy love."
Debasement and obstacles. If this is not everybody's favorite idea of love, it is what love songs are about.
Stoller concedes that hostility is not absolutely essential between men and women. There are, he concedes, those few blessed with moments in which they "experience sexual excitement lustfully, joyously, openly and lovingly without being propped up by heavy doses of revenge and degradation" in the mind.
"Human beings are not a very loving species, particularly when they make love-" Stoller says and adds, regretfully, "too bad."
Maybe that's what Linda Ronstadt talks about when she talks about love as death.
"That feeling of falling in love, to me it's like a little death," she tells me. Love and death are similar, she says, "because in both you give up. When you die, you literally give up fighting to live. There's a point where you're still questioning- 'Maybe I should keep trying to breathe'- and then you give up. And with love it will go 'Maybe I should keep looking for someone else' or 'Maybe I should keep trying to resist this.' And when you finally fall in love, you just have to say, 'I can't resist it anymore. I have to surrender myself to it.' And I think it's like the way the ritual of being born again works. You surrender yourself to what you are.... It's sort of the same thing as Alcoholics Anonymous, where you admit that you're helpless to control your own life- you admit it and that gives you great strength. That and whatever chemical reaction there is. It's certainly a chemical reaction, too."
What is it about Linda? Where did she get this taste for melancholy? She paints for me a picture of childhood solitude and apartness, a time haunted by nightmares.
"I grew up about twenty miles outside Tucson, and at the time there wasn't a soul in sight. We lived on a dirt road with ten acres around us. I didn't go to kindergarten, so the first grade was a hell of a shock, because I didn't know any people that weren't related to me. So I was a loner. I've been this way ever since three. I find that a lot of people I know in the entertainment world like humanity in general but don't love individuals. I'm exactly the opposite. I think humanity is kind of horrendous but that some individuals are really nice. Basically, I like zebras better than humans," she says.
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Post by sliderocker on Jan 17, 2013 16:43:10 GMT -5
I'm sure Linda dabbled in her prime but women are a lot different than men are when it comes to casual sex or one night stands..women discriminate way more than men do.. I mean generally speaking Even transgender women.. most not all, when you see their attitude towards sex .. it's still from a man's point of view.. sexy and slutty.. lol From what I remember reading on Linda's interviews when tallking about her dating, I wouldn't say Linda was into causal sex or one night stands, especially with the guys she met at her concerts. I also got the rather distinct impression her sex life wasn't what some might have thought, as her comment, "I wish my sex life was as good as a Snickers bar," was in response to the news media focusing in on who she was dating or sleeping with or rumored to be dating or sleeping with. I took that as meaning that not all of her relationships involved sex. As for Linda being a "serial monogamist," well, that had to have meant she was in a long term relationship which didn't involve marriage, but the term could also have been Linda's way of avoiding the news media asking her questions about the question of marriage. Linda might well have married if the right person had come along but like a lot of celebrities or someone with money, she may have found the person she was dating was more interested in her celebrity or her money or both, rather than in her as a person. I think it also possible that like a lot of single people, she found such questions about her personal life intrusive and a question like that could've been a sore point. But, unlike non-celebrity singles, she couldn't have told someone - especially a reporter - asking her any questions about her why she hadn't married to mind their own business. She would had to have been mindful of how any comment she made would've come across in the news media. Tv or radio interviews can come across as the way a celebrity intended but the same quote in print can come across as just the opposite of what the person intended. And most of the time, it's the quote being in some newspaper or magazine that people remember.
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