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Post by Dianna on Nov 30, 2023 6:31:02 GMT -5
I'm sure you've all heard the "Artificial Intelligence," singing voices on youtube. I've heard Elvis sing Celine Dion, My heart goes on. Freddie Mercury sing G nR Sweet child o mine ect..Some are actually pretty good and others not so much . Here's one of Linda.. lol This is kind of fun.. will be even more interesting when and if it's perfected.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 30, 2023 6:57:41 GMT -5
It sounds like Adele doing Linda!!! :-) eddiejinnj
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Post by MokyWI on Nov 30, 2023 9:45:08 GMT -5
It sounds like Adele doing Linda!!! :-) eddiejinnj More than the other way around for sure but this is bad. I imagine this one is pretty low quality attempt. |
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Post by Dianna on Nov 30, 2023 21:32:32 GMT -5
It sounds like Adele doing Linda!!! :-) eddiejinnj yeah, it was odd.. But you could still hear remnants of Linda's voice and style .. the way she pronounces her "R's" while singing (early on in her career.. i.e. Rock me on the water era) Some of these AI are very good and others suck.. I liked the AI version of Elvis singing, My heart will go on.. actually, I prefer an Elvis sounding voice on that song.. I notice that the AI voice picks up on the same pronunciation as the artist it is covering.. so Elvis kind of sang with a Celine Dion accent. |
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Post by LindaFan5 on Nov 30, 2023 21:59:44 GMT -5
There are a few moments here and there in that. It is an absolutely nutty thing. But I guess there is something kind of weirdly sweet about it, along with being creepy. Makes you wonder if the technology would be able to help Linda herself record something (talk sing… or whisper) and then fix it up by applying the AI. I mean, she would perhaps control the choices and approximate things to her liking. But I am aware that at this time it is not something she’d be interested in bothering with.
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Post by MokyWI on Dec 1, 2023 6:50:29 GMT -5
There are a few moments here and there in that. It is an absolutely nutty thing. But I guess there is something kind of weirdly sweet about it, along with being creepy. Makes you wonder if the technology would be able to help Linda herself record something (talk sing… or whisper) and then fix it up by applying the AI. I mean, she would perhaps control the choices and approximate things to her liking. But I am aware that at this time it is not something she’d be interested in bothering with. I hope Linda has nothing to do with this type of technology when it comes to her music, even if it corrected her voice for new recording. The whole thing is beyond cheesy IMO. Even if it sounded good and REAL, I wouldn’t be interested and I wouldn’t pay money for an AI release, not even a Linda Ronstadt release, even if she had a hand in it. Goes for virtual reality performances. You can count me out for those as well. If recording and performing goes further into these techniques and they become common I will for sure lose my interest in music. It’s fake. It’s not real so why the hell bother is the way I feel. |
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Post by Dianna on Dec 1, 2023 19:55:15 GMT -5
I hope Linda has nothing to do with this type of technology when it comes to her music, even if it corrected her voice for new recording. The whole thing is beyond cheesy IMO. Even if it sounded good and REAL, I wouldn’t be interested and I wouldn’t pay money for an AI release, not even a Linda Ronstadt release, even if she had a hand in it. Goes for virtual reality performances. You can count me out for those as well. If recording and performing goes further into these techniques and they become common I will for sure lose my interest in music. It’s fake. It’s not real so why the hell bother is the way I feel. I know it sounds weird but this is where technology is headed... You can have your own personal concert in the comfort of your own livingroom.. imagine a hologram of Linda (circa 1979) perform an entire live concert, just for you. I know it sounds weird and scary but one day these holograms will replace concerts as the way we experience "live" music. I'm not sure how I feel about it but as an introvert that hates crowds, this might work for me. lol |
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Post by Linda Fan 5 on Dec 1, 2023 21:56:59 GMT -5
Could there be a degree of AI added to the upcoming Linda biopic starring Selena Gomez? My guess is yes. The trick is to use it sparingly and artistically, I guess. To where you wouldn’t be sure. I like when AI is used to clean up some of Linda’s old fuzzy tv performances and render them easier to watch. Those are already out there. That’s a use of it I have no problem with as long as it doesn’t egregiously alter history. I DO NOT like much of the “enhanced” photographic art of Linda though. It can go too far. We are all working out our feelings on AI in entertainment. My favorite actresses include three who are long gone. Myrna Loy, Jean Harlow and Barbara Stanwyck, to see AI bring them back to the public’s consciousness has definite pros and cons but, while it’s certainly intriguing, the jury is still out.
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 4, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -5
I know it sounds weird but this is where technology is headed... You can have your own personal concert in the comfort of your own livingroom.. imagine a hologram of Linda (circa 1979) perform an entire live concert, just for you. I know it sounds weird and scary but one day these holograms will replace concerts as the way we experience "live" music. I'm not sure how I feel about it but as an introvert that hates crowds, this might work for me. lol I've wondered when a Linda-AI recording would pop up. My thought was someone would choose songs from when Linda was active as an artist and have her doing songs from the 60s through the early 2000s. Linda covering Adele is probably something she would've done if she was still able to record, but as the others have noted, this performance is more like Adele doing Linda instead of the other way around. To be honest, there's a part of me that wishes AI could get Linda's singing voice down pat, to the point where we, the Linda fans and experts, could be fooled into believing it actually was Linda. But, it wouldn't be Linda, just as an Elvis-AI isn't Elvis. And I don't want someone generating fake recordings of Linda and Elvis (and others) and then copyrighting the AI-voices and claiming ownership of the real voices. AI-voices should belong to the original artists or their estates with their permission and they should be compensated for the use of their voices. It's like the Linda Ronstadt and Elvis imitators. None of them really have Linda's voice or Elvis's voice and no one should think they are or were Linda and Elvis. (Recall the Linda imitator whose photos kept turning up anytime there was a mention of Linda? I wrote a Twilight Zone fanfiction story where a Linda Ronstadt imitator meets the real Linda Ronstadt and she tells real Linda that it was her turn to be the real Linda. That real Linda gave up her right to be herself and imitation Linda figured she was good enough to replace the real Linda. I never had an ending for the story, so it still sits in my files awaiting completion. But, this is kind of where I see AI-generated celebrity singing voices could lead to, companies owning the AI-generated singing voices but then wanting ownership of the real voices so they can control who gets the money.) |
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 4, 2023 17:41:55 GMT -5
Could there be a degree of AI added to the upcoming Linda biopic starring Selena Gomez? My guess is yes. The trick is to use it sparingly and artistically, I guess. To where you wouldn’t be sure. I like when AI is used to clean up some of Linda’s old fuzzy tv performances and render them easier to watch. Those are already out there. That’s a use of it I have no problem with as long as it doesn’t egregiously alter history. I DO NOT like much of the “enhanced” photographic art of Linda though. It can go too far. We are all working out our feelings on AI in entertainment. My favorite actresses include three who are long gone. Myrna Loy, Jean Harlow and Barbara Stanwyck, to see AI bring them back to the public’s consciousness has definite pros and cons but, while it’s certainly intriguing, the jury is still out. I could see an AI-movie biopic using real photos and film footage of Linda as a guide to create an AI-generated Linda on film starring as Linda, the AI generating her voice and singing voice as close as possible. I don't think it could egregiously alter history too bad, although the only ones who could say with any authority would be Linda and anyone who was with her along for her ride. How many of Linda's family and friends have passed on, however, who could blow the whistle and call foul on something about Linda's life that was a piece of fiction. Because of Linda's health, her memory is likely to be faulty in recalling certain events from her past. And I wouldn't want an AI-generated movie biopic giving her a false memory of an event that never occurred in her life. It would be the same with songs. All of us have debated the matter of songs we wished Linda had recorded. With AI-generated performances, that could be a reality. Imagine watching the Linda movie biopic and it features songs Linda never performed in concert or recorded in the studio. And if they got Linda's singing voice down to 100% accurate, I suppose there would be a debate (here for sure) on whether or not any songs heard in a movie biopic on Linda was genuine or AI-generated. For sure, we are all working out our feelings on AI-entertainment. I'm with you on actresses and actors who are long gone, but it would be interesting to see AI bring them back to the public's consciousness. It is intriguing and it does have it's pros and cons as you say, and the jury is likely to be out for a long time. But, you know we have the power in our brain to create dreams that accomplish the same thing. I've had a running stream of dreams about Linda. That is, the dreams seem to be a continuation of the previous dreams I've had about Linda. It started out with a dream I had about meeting and getting to know Linda's father. In the first dream I had, I dreamed I was looking at and admiring some paintings he had done (and I don't know if he did this in real life), and he gave me one of the paintings as a gift. Linda came "home" for a visit while I was there and although introduced to her, I treated her as a person and not a celebrity. But, she had a big fit when she discovered her dad had given me one of his paintings, claiming the painting was one she wanted, even though her dad had picked out the painting to give to me. He asked me if I'd be okay with another painting and I said of course, no biggie. I was honored to have any of his paintings. But, Linda liked those paintings as well, so Linda's dad said he would just paint one for me. And Linda was determined I would not get that one either. I asked her what was wrong with her? That I had gotten to know her dad long before she came "home" for a visit and the two of us were friends. I went through three additional dreams of hostile Linda before Linda and I eventually started becoming friends and the hostilities ended. We even started dating, something I wished had been true in real life. In the last dream, which wasn't all that long ago, we just spent the time talking and getting to know one another. Linda asked me did I know I was just dreaming everything and I said, yes, I knew. And she asked me to explain it to her and although she was 77 years old, in my dream, she was 20 again. And she wanted to know how I was able to do that. (We create and control some of our dreams, Linda.) She answered every question I had for her and didn't get mad once. I asked her if she was such an atheist, how come she insisted on her name now being Maria Linda? If she was no longer religious, why would she be insistent on a Catholic tradition? I showed her the forum and the songs we wished Linda had recorded. Her reactions ranged from "Hmm" to "Wish I had done that song" to "No way." I asked her if she knew she could be as stubborn as Elvis? She asked how I knew that. I asked her several very personal questions and she answered, with the caveat I could not share the answers, even though it was just a dream I was having. "We're having," she told me, adding that she was having the same dream as well. Imagine being sworn to secrecy in one's own dream. I can't imagine AI-generated images and voices being half as good as anything we can generate in our dreams if we just think about it! |
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Post by Dianna on Dec 4, 2023 20:38:37 GMT -5
I asked her if she was such an atheist, how come she insisted on her name now being Maria Linda? If she was no longer religious, why would she be insistent on a Catholic tradition? Not to get off topic.. I remember around the time Linda's documentary was released, 2019 ish.. Linda made a comment/statement in one of the interviews from that period, which I thought was very profound and spiritual considering she is an agnostic.. She said, after her last concert/performance (I forget the year 2009?) she saw her own professional life-career flash right in front of her and relived every performance she had given, and it was like watching a movie screen. I thought that was interesting because many people that have had a near death experience describe something very similar to that, except it isn't just their career they relive, it's the entire life start to finish.. I wish Linda would have elaborated. Anyway, this might be too deep a topic for the forum.. I thought it was important because this is something she has spoken about. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 5, 2023 8:24:05 GMT -5
Yes, Dianna, it was 2009 in San Antonio I believe. That last concert must have been hard for Linda. eddiejinnj
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Post by Dianna on Dec 5, 2023 16:40:16 GMT -5
Yes, Dianna, it was 2009 in San Antonio I believe. That last concert must have been hard for Linda. eddiejinnj One would think it would be very difficult to come to that realization. And I am sure that it is/ was.. The feeling I got, and I'm probably wrong, when she described it was more of a "that's it, I'm done." Did she or did she not say that she burned all of her stage clothes? I kept visualizing the pant suit she wore during the 2000's going up in flames. lol Ido think Linda is a very emotionally mature person and can deal with things like; losing her ability to sing, from an illness, better than most, IMO. I'm sure it kills her when she cannot use her singing voice for singing with family and friends and protest/activism for things she believes in.. but the other stuff.. I don't think she misses it. IMO |
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Post by erik on Dec 5, 2023 19:51:04 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
Linda probably exaggerated the part about burning her stage clothes. As said in the documentary by Emmy, however, she does indeed miss singing with family and friends (including Emmy herself); and Peter Asher remarked that, while he does think that Linda must find it awful to no longer be able to do what she did so well for most of her life, he also knew of no one who could handle such a traumatic change better than Linda.
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Post by PoP80 on Dec 5, 2023 19:52:58 GMT -5
I would surmise that losing her voice was akin to a “death” in some way. I don’t think she misses performing but certainly misses singing. After all, singing is who she IS as much as what she DOES.
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 6, 2023 12:50:12 GMT -5
Not to get off topic.. I remember around the time Linda's documentary was released, 2019 ish.. Linda made a comment/statement in one of the interviews from that period, which I thought was very profound and spiritual considering she is an agnostic.. She said, after her last concert/performance (I forget the year 2009?) she saw her own professional life-career flash right in front of her and relived every performance she had given, and it was like watching a movie screen. I thought that was interesting because many people that have had a near death experience describe something very similar to that, except it isn't just their career they relive, it's the entire life start to finish.. I wish Linda would have elaborated. Anyway, this might be too deep a topic for the forum.. I thought it was important because this is something she has spoken about. I think it's possible Linda could've had a total NDE since 2009, but she didn't know what to think or what to make of it. I think about the comment she made to USA Today about having Parkinson's, about being welcomed into heaven after she passes. I thought that was a very strange thing for someone who claims to be an atheist to be saying. Then again, if she's had an NDE, it may have given her some comfort to know once our lives are over here, death isn't really the end of us. There is something more. I've watched videos of people who claim to have had an NDE, including atheists. They come away believing in God or experience a belief in a spiritual realm but didn't see God (or a god) anywhere. Getting back to AI-generated images of actors and actresses or singers, I think it would be important for the singers or their family members to have some kind of protection from having their images or voices recreated without their permission. And that they be compensated for their images or voices to be AI-generated. I don't want someone to be able to make money off of Linda's image and singing voice, or any actor's image or singer's image or singing voice without the original being paid for it. Nor do I want someone who can use AI to be able to copyright someone's image and voice. Sure, I want someone who's able to use AI to be able to recreate someone's image or singing voice and to make money for their artistic endeavors, but I want it very clearly understood they don't own another person's image or their voice or singing voice. That stays with the person they are recreating. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 7, 2023 8:27:50 GMT -5
You are absolutely right, Pop, that Linda went through a grieving period after the loss of her voice. She did, though, have a long draw from the trough as Linda would say. eddiejinnj
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