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Post by rick on Feb 10, 2021 12:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Feb 10, 2021 19:16:15 GMT -5
Quite a few good possibilities here. Obviously, it is high time they get Carole King in there for what she did in her own career, especially with her landmark album Tapestry celebrating its 50th anniversary this year.
Just for the hell of it, my picks among this group are:
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Todd Rundgren
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 9:17:59 GMT -5
Carole King is long overdue as a performer as well as a songwriter. The HOF is not fully valid without her.
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Post by rick on Apr 11, 2021 23:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by germancanadian on Apr 13, 2021 17:00:01 GMT -5
Carole King is the obvious overdue choice. Great to see Iron Maiden get the nod, the rock hall has always been anti or at least indifferent towards heavy metal.
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Post by rick on May 12, 2021 16:43:00 GMT -5
2021 Rock Hall Inductees On Wednesday, May 12, the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame named the following inductees -- Performer Category: · Foo Fighters · The Go-Go's · JAY-Z · Carole King · Todd Rundgren · Tina Turner Ahmet Ertegun Award: · Clarence Avant Musical Excellence Award: · LL Cool J · Billy Preston · Randy Rhoads Early Influence Award: · Kraftwerk · Gil Scott Heron · Charley Patton
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Post by erik on May 12, 2021 20:04:53 GMT -5
I don't think I could argue too much with the choices.
I suppose the Foo Fighters were a shoo-in, given the committee's love for alt-rock (and the fact that they got Nirvana into the place in 2014). But at least they got it right (finally!) for getting Carole King in there for her own career, along with Billy Preston (for Musical Excellence, whatever they think that is these days). and Kraftwerk (for introducing electronics and synthesizers via their 1975 American hit "Autobahn").
All in all, this is one of their better line-ups (IMHO).
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Post by sliderocker on May 13, 2021 18:34:55 GMT -5
I don't think I could argue too much with the choices. I suppose the Foo Fighters were a shoo-in, given the committee's love for alt-rock (and the fact that they got Nirvana into the place in 2014). But at least they got it right (finally!) for getting Carole King in there for her own career, along with Billy Preston (for Musical Excellence, whatever they think that is these days). and Kraftwerk (for introducing electronics and synthesizers via their 1975 American hit "Autobahn"). All in all, this is one of their better line-ups (IMHO). I knew Carole King and Tina Turner were already in the hall - Carole with her former late husband, Gerry Goffin, and Tina with Ike. Initially, I couldn't see why they should be in a second time but then, I realized Carole was not in as a performer. And although Tina was in with Ike, she was not in for her solo work. I am not one who supports artists who are already in as part of another act being inducted a second time for solo work. When they are inducted, an artist who was inducted as part of another act should also be inducted as a solo performer if they had a solo career. It's redundant to induct someone who was part of a band for example and who had a solo career two different times. That keeps others from being given a possible nod and induction. This time, I agree those being inducted are a good bunch, although Todd Rundgren, Dionne Warwicke and Chaka Khan had been up for induction several times in the past and not making the cut. Is that a case that the hall members who vote on the artists didn't really want Rundgren, Warwicke and Khan? And that the nominating committee was essentially doing an F.U. to the hall members, in effect saying to them they were going to keep nominating them until the members got tired of seeing them come up year after year and vote them in? I still believe the hall needs to change its nomination process, either by inducting more artists and in the case of artists and bands that have been nominated time and time again, changing the process to allowing them three attempts and if not inducted, not allowing those acts to be reconsidered for a couple of years to give others a chance to be nominated. Or moving them to a category wihere they will all be voted on an up or down basis. If they make it, they're in. If they don't, well, there will always be next year. The whole idea is that the nominating committee is not very creative when it comes to the nominations. They are just as bad as Jann Wenner. Or maybe they could reform the ballot to read as First Time Nominations and Returning Nominations, and giving more artists the chance to be nominated and inducted. There were other artists and bands who were previous nominees and it's a sure bet they will be back next year, depriving first time to the process acts the chance to be considered and inducted. They need to change the rules. |
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Post by erik on May 14, 2021 12:17:43 GMT -5
In all good honesty, though, Carole King should have gotten in on the basis of her own merits a long time ago, though thank God they didn't wait until she was six feet under before doing so, as they did with Donna Summer and Dusty Springfield. Tapestry, after all, spent a whopping fifteen weeks at #1 on Billboard's Top 200 Album Chart during the summer and fall of 1971, was likely the biggest-selling album by any female artist up to that time (fifteen million copies sold); and it had a treasure trove of classics, including "It's Too Late", "I Feel The Earth Move", and "So Far Away". And I would say that she never stopped making good albums and songs during the heyday of the singer/songwriter in the 1970's.
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Post by sliderocker on May 15, 2021 17:27:04 GMT -5
In all good honesty, though, Carole King should have gotten in on the basis of her own merits a long time ago, though thank God they didn't wait until she was six feet under before doing so, as they did with Donna Summer and Dusty Springfield. Tapestry, after all, spent a whopping fifteen weeks at #1 on Billboard's Top 200 Album Chart during the summer and fall of 1971, was likely the biggest-selling album by any female artist up to that time (fifteen million copies sold); and it had a treasure trove of classics, including "It's Too Late", "I Feel The Earth Move", and "So Far Away". And I would say that she never stopped making good albums and songs during the heyday of the singer/songwriter in the 1970's.
Carole should have been inducted in 1992, as her first record, I think, was "It Might As Well Rain Until September" in 1967. It may have been 1966. Carole has always known her craft as a songwriter and as a singer. All the reasons you cited are totally valid and why the hall waited all this time is unknown. Many artists have sadly already passed away. The Tremeloes, another group that was around when the Beatles failed the audition for Decca and actually got signed to Decca when the Beatles failed, lost another member last year: drummer and vocalist Dennis Munday. Original rhythm guitarist, vocalist and keyboardist Alan Blakely died in 1993. Of the group that became known in the US in 1967, besides Dennis and Alan, bassist and vocalist Len 'Chip' Hawkes and lead guitarist and vocalist Rick Westwood are the surviving members. The Tremeloes were known for putting on a good concert for those who were lucky to see them.
By the way, I have long suspected the song by Carole and Gerry (Goffin), the Locomotion, was sung by Carole and not by Little Eva as credited on the 45. Little Eva sounded a lot like Carole vocally, and that's a neat trick for any performer to sound like another artist. I thought a similar trick had been done on the song Pretty Little Angel Eyes, written by Curtis Lee and Tommy Boyce. Record credited to Curtis Lee but some of the singing sounds more like Tommy Boyce. Both Tommy and Carole (with Gerry and Bobby Hart) would be involved in the writing and producing of songs for the Monkees.
But, yeah, with the thing, Jann Wenner, gone from the hall, the hall's nominating committee needs to address the issue of those who met its original criteria but aren't in for whatever reason. If an act meets the three part criteria (first record released 25 years or later, made significant contributions to rock, was an influence on other artists), those artists need to be considered a first or high priority, with artists meeting two of the priorities, a second or signifcant priority, and artists meeting just one of the priority, the third or low priority. It wouldn't be to penalize the artists in the secondary or third slots, just that those who meet all three criteria should be given more weight in the process.
To this day, I still don't understand how singer Patti Smith got in beyond the fact she was a critic's darling and artist who worked with Springsteen. She only had the one hit and she might have made significant contributions but I think if she influenced anybody (beyond Springsteen fans), the hall should've been required to cite who she influenced.
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Post by erik on May 15, 2021 18:15:10 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker re. Patti Smith in the RRHOF:
I'm inclined to believe that it is only because of The Boss (and "Because The Night") that she's even in there, while it took a career-ending diagnosis of Parkinson's for Linda to get in. And unless someone can come up with more evidence that she earned her way in on her merits and/or influenced others, that's how my opinion of her is going to stand.
Whatever one may have thought of Pat Benatar during her heyday in the 1980's, and what some saw as a snarky attack on Linda (which evidently disappeared over time), there isn't much question in my mind that she has earned a place there in Cleveland.
Another act that I think deserves consideration is Poco, the influential group formed in 1968 out of the ashes of Buffalo Springfield that had a hand in shaping the sound of California country-rock, with their intricate vocal harmonies, and the multi-instrumental talents (notably pedal steel guitar) of Rusty Young (who passed away in April). Although they never had anything like the success of the Eagles (and two of Poco's former members, Randy Misner and Timothy Schmit, are in the RRHOF as members of the Eagles), they still made a lot of good records (IMHO).
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Post by rick on May 18, 2021 7:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by rick on Oct 29, 2021 18:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Oct 30, 2021 19:23:00 GMT -5
A friendly gesture from the Immediate Family for Carole, who, again, deserved this honor long before now, but at least has gotten it before the clock ran out on her (and hopefully, that doesn't happen for a while yet).
Quote by rick:
With respect to Iron Maiden, while I have heard some of their material on the radio, I'm not really a fan of theirs, or even the Heavy Metal genre, beyond the first generation (Led Zeppelin; Deep Purple). Still, that is a band that should get indicted....pardon me, inducted...into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the not-too-distant future.
As for Jay-Z--well, the question arises again as to whether Rap belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I am in the camp of those who believe it definitely does not, and not because I am a racist. I do think there have to be other African-American artists who deserve induction but haven't gotten it; and in fact, I can name at least two of them.
To wit:
Chubby Checker
Roy Hamilton
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Post by hazardaguest on Oct 30, 2021 21:59:26 GMT -5
I think Patti Smith should definitely be in there. I doubt she influenced any Springsteen fans (it would be more the opposite IMO, whereby her covering Springsteen made him seem 'cooler') but she influenced (or at least had fans) in a lot of bands who followed her, such as REM, Siouxsie and the Banshees, the Smiths and U2. And her debut Horses, released in 1975, was really something different to what most female singers were doing and she has continued to make some excellent music such as the Gone Again album. She was also something of a forerunner to punk, which exploded the year after Horses was released. Yes she was a critics' darling but that's critics for you. I also think the number of hits someone has means little to nothing in terms of quality or influence - look at how poorly nearly all of LR's albums sold after her heyday but they still contain excellent music. Maria Muldaur is considered a one-hit wonder but there was and has continued to be a lot more to her than that one song. Patti Smith was also awarded that Swedish Polar music prize that Emmylou received - First Aid Kit performed at both ceremonies and their version of Dancing Barefoot is superb. Anyway, it's all just our opinions but in mine, she was way more influential than Pat Benatar.
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Post by rick on Nov 1, 2021 4:05:11 GMT -5
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