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Post by MokyWI on Jun 29, 2012 17:01:30 GMT -5
Last part of djays post says all that needs to be said about her children. He said it well, let's out of respect for "our girl" not be discussing her life w/kids on this website unless we are speaking of something she has said concerning them herself in the press.
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Post by Hit and Run on Jun 29, 2012 21:04:41 GMT -5
Carlos has two families, a birth family, and an adopted family. He is estranged from neither. He performed recently with Ronstadt Generations. He is not really a public figure so out of respect for Linda his life doesn't need to be examined by us.
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Post by erik on Jun 29, 2012 22:00:05 GMT -5
Kindly state for the record where the hell you got your info from, because I suspect you're the one that put this information over there at Wikipedia.
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Post by Dianna on Jun 30, 2012 0:49:16 GMT -5
wow, houses are still very very expensive, and esp in ca (san fran and la/oc esp) Linda did mention this.(high cost) That newer san fran home, around 2 mil, (and I choke when saying this) was probably more in her budget. I don't know what her needs are these days or if she needs more or less.. but she chose a very very expensive area in the US to live.. (from Tucson) to SF it's all about location. I tend to think the housing market is one very overpriced market. I recall Linda was taken aback by how expensive homes in the San Francisco area had gotten but I didn't think San Francisco was that much different from any other location in the US. Like what seems to be the case on everything else going on in the US with the cost of living, the cost of housing is way out of proportion to the wages earned. Of course, Linda probably paid cash and likely didn't have to take out a mortgage, so she probably wouldn't have to worry about that count. But, should she ever decide to sell and relocate again, I'd hope she'd get what she paid for it although there are hundreds if thousands of stories about homes whose value have decreased considerably from their selling price. I don't know what her needs are either but I recall reading on her wikipedia entry that when her adopted son Carlos turned 18 earlier this year, he sought out his birth parents, found them, took their last name and I guess moved out to be with them. I had to wonder how Linda felt about that if the entry was true? Was it with her blessing or was it a bitter slap in the face? I haven't read anything on whether her adopted daughter Mary still lives at home with her or has moved out but if Linda is the only one living in the home, well, ir may be more than what she needs but it may just be what she likes. I can only speak in terms from where I lived before, Orange County, Ca to now, The Oregon northern coast.. and yes, homes/property are a lot less cheaper.. I doubt you can purchase a newer 2000 sq ft home on almost 1/2 acre, a mile from the ocean for under 200k.. in so ca, you're lucky if you can get a little egg on top of your neighbors house for 300k..a house near the water, forget it.. that would be more what Linda paid for her more recent home.. in terms of food, gas ect, it's about the same minus the sales tax. we have the rain, which I don't mind at all. Don't miss it at all.
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Post by Dianna on Jun 30, 2012 1:14:40 GMT -5
yeah, it might be wise not to bring up her children on the forum(unless Linda herself makes a statement) .. that's a very sensitive issue with parents..and yes, out of respect.. we don't know who has access to the forum.. her kids, Linda or her family and I'd hate for any of them to be hurt or offended. just sayin
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Post by Hit and Run Return to Scene on Jun 30, 2012 1:36:37 GMT -5
Kindly state for the record where the hell you got your info from, because I suspect you're the one that put this information over there at Wikipedia. when her adopted son Carlos turned 18 earlier this year, he sought out his birth parents, found them, took their last name and I guess moved out to be with them. I never post on wikipedia. Don't want to give out my source. He knew his birth parents long before his 18th birthday.
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Post by the Scribe on Jun 30, 2012 1:44:01 GMT -5
Kindly state for the record where the hell you got your info from, because I suspect you're the one that put this information over there at Wikipedia. when her adopted son Carlos turned 18 earlier this year, he sought out his birth parents, found them, took their last name and I guess moved out to be with them. I never post on wikipedia. Don't want to give out my source. He knew his birth parents long before his 18th birthday. Linda said long ago it was an open adoption. I am sure that meant Carlos knew his birth parents early on. I don't know how any child could be luckier than to have a situation like that and then to have the adoptive mother be Linda Ronstadt. What more could one ask for? (speaking for myself) Even now I wish she would adopt me and I know my 92 year old mom wouldn't mind a bit especially since she had to hear about Linda Ronstadt from me since I was 13 years old! ha She still asks me about Linda. I told her I got my liberal tendencies from Linda as my birth mom is a Republican wolf (but a very nice wolf).
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Post by sliderocker on Jun 30, 2012 3:07:56 GMT -5
I can only speak in terms from where I lived before, Orange County, Ca to now, The Oregon northern coast.. and yes, homes/property are a lot less cheaper.. I doubt you can purchase a newer 2000 sq ft home on almost 1/2 acre, a mile from the ocean for under 200k.. in so ca, you're lucky if you can get a little egg on top of your neighbors house for 300k..a house near the water, forget it.. that would be more what Linda paid for her more recent home.. in terms of food, gas ect, it's about the same minus the sales tax. we have the rain, which I don't mind at all. Don't miss it at all.
I was up in Colorado in '95 for work and housing/apartment prices at that time were pretty high - $800-2400 a month, depending on the location, and I thought there was no way prices would ever get that high where I lived but they did. I asked someone who was living in Colorado at the time working in a store how much their job paid per hour, which was only $5 an hour and asked how they managed the rent. They lived with three other people. They couldn't afford to rent alone on what they were making. This is to me why it's so ridiculous that the wages in the job market aren't keeping up with the cost of living and why we don't need a minimum hourly wage but a livable wage. Of course, the free maket will take care of all Republicans won't have any of that. They don't understand the free market includes everyone and doesn't favor one side over another. It is class warfare but of course, they accuse everyone else of doing it while proclaiming their innocence.
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Post by sliderocker on Jun 30, 2012 3:23:07 GMT -5
yeah, it might be wise not to bring up her children on the forum(unless Linda herself makes a statement) .. that's a very sensitive issue with parents..and yes, out of respect.. we don't know who has access to the forum.. her kids, Linda or her family and I'd hate for any of them to be hurt or offended. just sayin I wasn't sure about bringing it up here but I had seen the entry on wikipedia and thought WTF? Who would post that, which could indeed be very sensitive? I saw the reference dated back to 1997 for the original information but the more recent information wasn't referenced at all. In retrospect, I wish I hadn't brought it up here for the reasons you mention but did think the wikipedia entry was a potentially distressing bit of news and didn't know if anyone else had seen, heard or read about the matter. Sorry everyone.
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Post by philly on Jun 30, 2012 22:58:32 GMT -5
I don't know what her needs are either but I recall reading on her wikipedia entry that when her adopted son Carlos turned 18 earlier this year, he sought out his birth parents, found them, took their last name and I guess moved out to be with them. I had to wonder how Linda felt about that if the entry was true? Was it with her blessing or was it a bitter slap in the face? I haven't read anything on whether her adopted daughter Mary still lives at home with her or has moved out but if Linda is the only one living in the home, well, ir may be more than what she needs but it may just be what she likes. For the record, Carlos is still at home with Linda, he met his birth family earlier this year. His girlfriend is going away to college soon and he will be leaving home to be with HER, not to leave Linda. I try not to blab what I've learned online but this BS is just tooo much for me to be quiet!!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!! Oh, and he got a tattoo earlier this year with his birth AND adopted surnames! I'm not even going to look at that stupid wikipedia, let alone edit it. Sorry if I've said too much.... The mods or I'll delete it if they wish
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Post by linda2006nicci on Jul 1, 2012 3:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 2, 2012 16:56:16 GMT -5
Philly, it is always good to set the record straight. I don't think we should be afraid of the truth or bothered by it (in general I mean).
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 2, 2012 16:59:25 GMT -5
Linda, will you be including Alan's complete edit on your site or is the file too big?
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Post by linda2006nicci on Jul 3, 2012 10:16:57 GMT -5
Linda, will you be including Alan's complete edit on your site or is the file too big? I will ask Alan how to do it. I am not a good engineer though...
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Post by muvi on Apr 26, 2013 22:26:43 GMT -5
The Clinton Street Theater will show “Wonderland,” a 1977 documentary about Warren Zevon, Linda Ronstadt, Bonnie Raitt and Jackson Browne, on Friday and Saturday nights at 9:30. And on Saturday and Sunday, you can see a documentary called “The Manson Family.”
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Post by the Scribe on Apr 28, 2013 1:11:50 GMT -5
The below videos were removed from youtube but I did find this interesting video mix of Linda's excerpt in that film with her song Someone To Lay Down Beside Me. If you scroll further down Linda's part in the film is still working thanks to Alan the Cornish Pirate as well as a link to the thread he created in the forum: ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/401 It creeps me out to think that Linda and the Manson Family may have crossed paths in the early days.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 28, 2013 15:10:44 GMT -5
It creeps me out to think that Linda and the Manson Family may have crossed paths in the early days. Got serious doubts Linda ever crossed paths with the Manson family, unless she happened to be hanging out with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys when Manson and his group were hanging around him briefly. The Manson family scared Wilson and I think he had to get the police to get them to leave from his home. I don't remember the exact specifics, other than just that Manson and his followers had apparently moved into Wilson's home and had no interest in leaving. Had Linda hung around with Manson and his followers, she could've ended up a casualty. I wonder how that investigation was going in which police were trying to determine if there were any unknown murder victims buried on what they called the Manson ranch?
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Post by erik on Apr 28, 2013 18:57:08 GMT -5
Given that Linda lived in Topanga Canyon at the time Manson and his Family were making the rounds of the rock music cognoscenti that resided there (and this included Neil Young, incidentally), I don't think we can discount that she may have crossed paths with them. If she had, then I think it's clear why she didn't get sucked into their vortex: she was probably seriously creeped out by them, something that almost no one other than Terry Melcher seemed to be--until August 9, 1969, that is.
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Post by Richard W on Apr 28, 2013 21:00:31 GMT -5
Well, it would be creepy enough just to have them in the neighborhood.
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Post by erik on Apr 29, 2013 9:04:31 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W re. Manson Family:
With the perspective of four and a half decades, yes, it's easy to say that everyone who had contact with them, including very possibly Linda, should have been creeped out. But then one has to remember that, in 1969, and in such a rustic, out-of-the-way place as Topanga Canyon, away from Authority, the Manson Family so easily blended in with everybody. They may have seemed very non-descript, unless you were Dennis Wilson, or Terry Melcher (at whose house in Benedict Canyon the first Manson killings took place), or Linda.
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Post by Richard W on Apr 29, 2013 9:57:02 GMT -5
That's true, Erik. I was looking at the situation through hindsight. Obviously, the aura surrounding the Manson family came after their crimes were exposed.
It reminds me of when Jeffrey Dahmer was stalking the bars in Chicago. When he was captured and his crimes were revealed, I had a supremely creepy moment when I realized that, when his picture appeared on TV, that I had seen him before. He was out looking for victims at the same time and places that I was out with friends.
Fortunately, I wasn't his type!
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Post by Dianna on Apr 29, 2013 10:38:01 GMT -5
that's creepy richard... didn't debbie harry have one of those passing encounters with ted bundy? As for Linda, I'd think had she run into those people, even in passing, she might have mentioned it .. and yes, they were very weird . all those brainwashed women singing and skipping holding hands... I think I would have got a major hotflash of embarrassment..even back then.lol
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Post by the Scribe on Apr 29, 2013 12:07:12 GMT -5
I think it is highly likely Linda and Manson crossed paths possibly without each others knowledge. Linda is quite intuitive and probably has "creep factor radar." The world was smaller then and they knew some of the same people. With that in mind she must have been really freaked when that slasher broke into her Malibu home (as seen in Wonderland) and left her that threatening note. It left Linda's mom quite shaken also. That may have had something to do with her selling that home. Security on a beach property would be difficult.The Family Jams (Manson Family album)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search For the Marilyn Manson demo album, see The Family Jams (Marilyn Manson album).
The Family Jams Studio album by The Manson Family Released 1997 Recorded 1970 Genre Folk rock Label Transparency Records & Aoroa Records[1] Charles Manson chronology Lie: The Love and Terror Cult (1970) The Family Jams (1997) One Mind (2005)
The Family Jams is an album featuring members of the Charles Manson "family." Recorded in or around 1970, the album was released in 1997. Although Charles Manson himself does not appear on any of the tracks, he is given writing credit for all of the songs. Most of the male vocals are sung by "family" member Steve "Clem" Grogan. Other members appearing on the album are Sandra Good, Lynette Fromme, Catherine "Gypsy" Share, Catherine "Cappy" Gillies, Nancy "Brenda" Pitman and Ruth Ann "Ouisch" Moorehouse.
In 1997 it was released simultaneously on CD by both Transparency Records & Aoroa Records.[2]
The first disc is the same music as a previously released white vinyl record called "Manson Family Sings the Songs of Charles Manson." This version, however, has been re-mastered for superior sound. The second disc contains new material and previously unreleased versions of the songs.
In early 1970, the Manson Family got everyone together, including Bruce Davis (then wanted by the FBI), in the Spahn Ranch saloon, to record music for Robert Hendrickson's MANSON film. This was the beginning of the Family Jams, but the original audio tapes remain buried in a vault.
The album was recorded as the murder trial was ongoing, with the song "Get on Home" containing the eerie line referring to the killers carving x's into their foreheads.
"When you see the children with x's on their head, if you dare to look at them, soon you will be dead."
Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids has released an unrelated demo with the same title, but this is not to be confused with the Manson Family's album.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 29, 2013 12:25:18 GMT -5
With the perspective of four and a half decades, yes, it's easy to say that everyone who had contact with them, including very possibly Linda, should have been creeped out. But then one has to remember that, in 1969, and in such a rustic, out-of-the-way place as Topanga Canyon, away from Authority, the Manson Family so easily blended in with everybody. They may have seemed very non-descript, unless you were Dennis Wilson, or Terry Melcher (at whose house in Benedict Canyon the first Manson killings took place), or Linda. I don't know how easily they could've blended in with everybody, as there was just enough creepiness about them that should've set off the alarm bells...the vibes that would've been saying, "Don't hang around with this person (or group of people)." Most of us probably have never had a run in with a Manson/Bundy/Dahmer/Gacy type, but we probably have known others who had that air of creepiness about them and with whom we felt very uncomfortable around. Up until Manson and his followers came along, I think our country was probably getting used to the hippie type, not seeing them as the bad people that some had tried to make them out to be. Manson put the fear back in the more conservative elements of our country about the hippies. There was a leeriness about anyone who was a hippie or looked like a hippie, yet many were not the criminal type. They just looked different to conservative America. Ironically, the more conservative elements of our country probably would've been more taken in by a slick looking Ted Bundy or a dumb, redneck looking John Wayne Gacy type. They didn't look like the bug eyed monster types who meant harm, yet as a writer once pointed out, the bigger and biggest danger of those who would mean us harm are those who don't look like they would be a threat to us. We fear those who look too different from us, and we have Manson to thank for that.
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Post by the Scribe on Apr 29, 2013 12:30:26 GMT -5
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. That would be their ultimate "cookie jar." One doesn't have to look to far into our past to see that scenario play itself out.
And didn't Linda once warn Nicolette Larson about Neil Young (LOL):( www.ronstadt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&thread=632 ) The Relationship Between Neil Young and Charles Manson Neil Young is an elder statesman of rock, Charles Manson a notorious mass murderer, but their paths crossed for a while in 1968, with interesting results...
Posted by Mark Wallace on Jan 25, 2011
In 1968 Neil Young and Charles Manson were both wannabe songwriters on the Topanga Canyon scene, Young right at the scene’s centre and Manson hovering jealously on the fringes. Young, of course, had already achieved a certain amount of prominence in his time with Buffalo Springfield, who had had a minor hit with “For What It’s Worth”, and he had released his self-titled debut album to a muted reception.
Manson’s track record was less promising, as he had spent much of his life in correctional institutions, but now he had made some influential friends, notably Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, who was trying to get Manson a record deal, and who introduced Manson to Young. Coincidentally, Young and Manson share a 12 November birthday, but separated by 11 years: Manson was born in 1934, Young in 1945.
1968: Young meets Manson
Young remembers Manson as being “a little uptight, a little too intense. Frustrated artist.” (McDonough, 287) However, when Manson picked up his guitar and played a few songs, Young was strongly impressed: “[He] made up songs as he went along, new stuff all the time, no two songs were the same.” (ibid.)
Young recommended Manson to Mo Ostin, president of Warner Brothers, but it never got any further. Reminiscing years later, Young was clearly still somewhat enthralled by Manson’s force of personality: “He was an angry man. But brilliant… He sounds like Dylan when he talks.” (McDonough, 288) He went even further: “He’s like one of the main movers and shakers of time – when you look back at Jesus and all these people, Charlie was like that.” (ibid.)
1974: “Revolution Blues”
On Young’s 1974 album On the Beach, he included a song about Manson, “ Revolution Blues ”, culminating in the couplet: “I hear that Laurel Canyon is full of famous stars/ But I hate them worse than lepers, and I’ll kill them in their cars.” Subtle it’s not, but a pretty extreme sentiment for a rock star, one illustrating just how far Young has deviated from the gently melancholic country rock, the “Heart of Gold”-type stuff, that is still what he is most publicly known for.
For his part, Manson said in a 1995 interview from prison in California that all his old musician friends “didn’t give a sh*t” – except Neil Young, who once gave him a motorcycle. (McDonough, 287) When Young’s biographer related this to Young, he seemed oddly pleased to have won Manson’s approval: “So Charlie remembers me too, huh? Everybody else ripped him off. I gave him a motorcycle. I turn out to be a good guy.” (ibid.)
•McDonough, Jimmy, Shakey: Neil Young’s Biography (Random House, 2002) •Bugliosi, Vincent, Helter Skelter (Arrow Books, 1992)LZ-'75: The Lost Chronicles of Led Zeppelin's 1975 American Tour
It's been a long time since they rocked and rolled, but even more than 30 years after calling it quits, Led Zeppelin remains one of the music business' top selling acts, be it measured through recordings or related memorabilia.
After decades of deciphered decibels and scrutinized scandal, there really aren't many zapping Zepp revelations, or even reverberating rumors, left in circulation. What LZ-'75 offers is a rare, behind the scenes perspective, still a strong selling point since most information on the band is either well known or well guarded.
Subtitled The Lost Chronicles of Led Zeppelin's 1975 American Tour, the book was compiled on recently found notes from the post-touring period when author Stephen Davis composed his bestselling Hammer of the Gods. That 1985 bombshell—with its tales of bestial groupie games, dark magic and multiple other excesses, though subsequently contradicted with venom by the principals—helped fuel the ongoing Zeppelin mythology.
"Robert shopped at record stores in Greenwich Village. Jimmy Page hung out with guitarist Joe Walsh [who presented Page with a very rare Les Paul model guitar]. Together they attended a Linda Ronstadt concert at the Capitol Theatre in Passaic, New Jersey. John Bonham drank like a fish and had a stomach ache. The tour doc suggested to John that he modify his alcohol intake and just got laughed at. No one ever knew where John Paul Jones was."
There are some fascinating, brief episodes like singer Robert Plant reportedly having a top-secret operation on his vocal chords, and lesser moments like a reportedly spooky visit from Charles Manson's demented disciple Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, or backstage comedy concerning Bonham's monumental diarrhea and diaper supply.
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Post by Dianna on Apr 29, 2013 13:01:07 GMT -5
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. I might get into trouble for saying this but I've always thought charles manson sounds a lot like our last president, george.. it's even freaky.
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Post by the Scribe on Apr 29, 2013 13:13:22 GMT -5
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. I might get into trouble for saying this but I've always thought charles manson sounds a lot like our last president, george.. it's even freaky. They sound EXACTLY alike. I even posted a comparison on the old forum. Not only that, W looks just like serial killer Ted Bundy in early photos. You can barely tell them apart. Charles Manson, George Bush and His Followers By Ben Cohen · June 11,2008 | When George W. Bush launched his war in Iraq he did so with a definite religious fervor. Like all religious wars, his Iraq invasion was based on lies and, therefore, required a significant level of blind faith from his supporters. In recent days Scott McClellan’s new book, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception, has received significant attention for merely verifying what most, if not all, previously knew; Bush’s public case for war was entirely based on dishonesty and lies. As one might expect, Bush’s supporters continue to support him with the same religious fervor and blind faith as was required of them in the run up to war. Expanding the analogy of a religious war, I direct readers to Vincent Bugliosi’s new book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, which leads to another seemingly unavoidable comparison: George Bush compared to Charles Manson. Bugliosi is the ex-prosecutor who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson and his followers for the murders they committed, so the connection and the comparison become obvious. Both Bush and Manson did not directly commit the murders; instead, they incited their followers to do so. Neither has any apparent remorse for their actions. more: thedailybanter.com/2008/06/charles-manson/
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 29, 2013 13:40:32 GMT -5
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. That would be their ultimate "cookie jar." One doesn't have to look to far into our past to see that scenario play itself out.
And didn't Linda once warn Nicolette Larson about Neil Young (LOL): One would think people would've wakened up to the fact that being clean cut looking doesn't equate to being a nice person. Funny thing about our country's attitudes towards people looking different: there was a kind of acceptance by some (but not all) towards long haired guys and yet, when the skinheads came along, the same conservative part of our country that feared and put down the long haired guys, had the same fear about skinheads. And put them down too. Young's association with Manson...fascinating story. When it comes to Manson, I sometimes wonder if Terry Melcher or some other record company had signed him to a record deal, would his murderous rage have never happened? Of course, if Manson did indeed murder others long before the Tate-LaBianca killings, it wouldn't have mattered whether he had a record deal or not. Killing others for whatever reason he killed (or had others do his dirty work), whether it was out of revenge or for drugs or robbery, just seemed to be something in his blood. Young was lucky he didn't wind up a victim (or part of Manson's family) or that others around him didn't end up victims.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 29, 2013 13:57:08 GMT -5
I might get into trouble for saying this but I've always thought charles manson sounds a lot like our last president, george.. it's even freaky. They sound EXACTLY alike. I even posted a comparison on the old forum. Not only that, W looks just like serial killer Ted Bundy in early photos. You can barely tell them apart. I've never thought about that but just picturing the two in my mind...yeah, they do look alike. I always thought George looked like a monkey (and apologies to the monkeys for the insult) but with far less intelligence. I had two nicknames for W when he was president: monkeyf--k and Comrade W. But, as bad as I despised, distrusted and disliked him, I despised and disliked Cheney even more, and had an even bigger distrust of him than I had of Bush. I thought Bush was the type who could do something criminal out of utter stupidity or be easily led into doing something criminally stupid, but Pumpkinhead Cheney struck me as someone who would knowingly commit a criminal act and be arrogant about it. When he shot that one guy in the face on some hunting trip (or whatever it was), it struck me as being an intentional act. But, there was no question of being arrested by the police or being prosecuted, yet I always thought he should have. Had anyone else done that, there would've been charges filed and most likely, that person going to jail. And it's just hysterically funny to me some of the right wingers continue to talk about how Ted Kennedy walked in the wake of the Chappaquidick affair, yet never a mention of how Cheney almost killed one of his "friends." If I was that friend, I would've told him to stay away.
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Post by Dianna on Apr 29, 2013 14:00:48 GMT -5
Not only the voice but their mannerisms and even words they use /expressions... it is very freaky to me. I've noticed this for awhile too.
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