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Post by erik on Feb 27, 2012 13:31:00 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker:
What I think sets her apart from a lot of others in this business is that Linda doesn't have an outsized ego. If anything, she has just the opposite quirk: she's never thought of her voice as being anything special, even after four generations of female singers have expressed how much that voice has affected and inspired them.
We can name more than a few singers who keep doing this long after their voices have lost the edge they had in their glory years, and who are only doing it out of ego, and for the money. Linda just isn't one of those, and never has been, even when she made $12 million at the height of her popularity in the late 1970s. Whatever she has done in her career, she has done it out of love for the music, and a desire and an ability to do so. If the ability and the will are not there in the way they used to be, then the desire won't be enough to compel her.
If she says it's over, then there's nothing more we can do. But we have the memories. And just as importantly, we have that body of work that can stand tall alongside anybody else's, past, present, and future. In the end, I think that is what really matters.
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Post by sliderocker on Feb 29, 2012 1:34:37 GMT -5
I don't know that it's from ego that some keep soldiering on, long after their voice has deserted them. With some, I think it could be a case of still loving to perform or still coming up with songs (if they happen to write songs). There has been a big debate going for decades now over when a performer should retire. I always felt the decision should be up to the performer and no one else. I think there are some performers - like Paul McCartney - who will never retire. They will keep going until they drop. Of course, that's kind of what Sinatra did, who was losing the power in his voice as he got older but it was his decision. I couldn't imagine anyone telling him he needed to retire and get out of the way so the younger lions could take their rightful place in the spotlight. And that's what the big hubbub was about initially, younger acts complaining they couldn't get noticed because the older acts were still holding on with the public. They couldn't or didn't want to admit to the possibility that their music may have lacked the timelessness needed to be remembered decades later. But, on the other side of that coin, there were some acts that should've called it a day.
Linda was not one of the acts in need of calling it a day then, but she has called it a day now. I wish it were otherwise but it's her choice and I wish her much happiness and enjoyment in her retirement. Her music will always be a part of my life, however imperfect she thought it was.
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Post by philly on Feb 29, 2012 2:26:23 GMT -5
I think Linda's daughter is either 20 or 21 but I thought I'd read her son was born in 1996, which would make him 16 this year. You can say he's grown but like any parent, Linda's kids are always going to matter to her no matter how old they may be. As for proving anything, Linda doesn't have anything left to prove but if she were to record an album today, she could do it for her own enjoyment with no pressure that it had to sell in the millions. With downloads or even artist vanity labels, she doesn't need to be signed to a major label. Maybe she will record again one day but if that never happens, what she did record and release is worth many repeated listenings. For the record, her daughter will turn 21 in May. Her son turned 18 last month and will graduate HS in a few months. I don't know what kind of a musical community encompasses the SF, Marin County area other than a lot of very wealthy musicians living there. I imagine Emmylou could stir some creative juices with some gentle projects that Linda would enjoy if only they were near each other.
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Post by erik on Feb 29, 2012 10:25:44 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker: My mother, who is of the generation that made Sinatra a star, felt that he should have just hung it up around 1980, after "New York, New York." But then again, he may have had some debts he had to pay off--to Carmine and Muzio . Garth Brooks is doing his "retirement" thing by performing in Vegas--the very place that became the bane of Elvis' existence in the 70s. Either he didn't make as much money being the 800-pound gorilla of country music in the 1990s as we thought, or his ego can't fit inside his 10-gallon Stetson hat. Quote by philly: There's the San Jose Mariachi Festival, of which she was (and may still be) the artistic director; and the Not Strictly Bluegrass Festival, which basically takes place a mere ten minutes or so from where she lives and which Emmy attends every October. With Linda, you just don't know; maybe, maybe, it's not the end just yet.
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Post by fabtastique on Apr 9, 2012 13:27:37 GMT -5
Anyone have any news on this?
Rhino were selling both Trio albums on their site but they've both been removed now....
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Post by erik on Apr 9, 2012 13:41:00 GMT -5
Quote by fabtastique re. 25th anniversary Trio news:
I have been looking for news on this, and I can't find any information on it...so far.
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Post by Dianna on Apr 9, 2012 22:06:35 GMT -5
Absolutely, Linda has nothing to prove but I do find it difficult to understand how someone who has repeatedly said how much music is part of her daily life can give it up and not miss it dearly. I live in hope but this Trio reissue is a start. How about a Cry Like A Rainstorm reissue/remaster with I'm Restless and Every Little Bit Hurts as bonus tracks... Plus there must be more hiding somewhere! One can always hope she will but as for giving music up and missing it dearly, it may be there's some other reason for her retirement that we don't know nothing about, like a health issue. It's hard to believe that just because her voice isn't as powerful as what it once was, that rather than work with a weaker voice, she'd choose to retire. Then again, maybe she looked at some of those who are her peers who continue to carry on with weaker voices but who struggle with those voices. And perhaps she just felt the time was right to call it a day because she felt tired and needed to rest. Wow, I just saw Gene Simmons and his tongue perform with KISS just now on TV, he can't be much younger than Linda. I bet she's still got it in her.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 10, 2012 1:05:30 GMT -5
My mother, who is of the generation that made Sinatra a star, felt that he should have just hung it up around 1980, after "New York, New York." But then again, he may have had some debts he had to pay off--to Carmine and Muzio . Garth Brooks is doing his "retirement" thing by performing in Vegas--the very place that became the bane of Elvis' existence in the 70s. Either he didn't make as much money being the 800-pound gorilla of country music in the 1990s as we thought, or his ego can't fit inside his 10-gallon Stetson hat.
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Post by erik on Apr 10, 2012 9:39:47 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker:
Well, Brooks (who is sometimes derisively known as "Garth Vader" [and don't you want to know why?]) has always been a wild card of sorts anyway. I don't think anyone can question that he certainly aided in making country music as big as it was in the 90s and beyond when he was active. On the other hand, his stage spectaculars, including the smoke bombs, lasers, and swinging from a rope high above the stage like he was Tarzan, forced virtually everyone who has followed in his wake to do likewise, thus obscuring the true spirit of country music in favor of 80s arena rock theatrics. Ironically, one of the few who hasn't done so is his Significant Other--one Trisha Yearwood, that most inveterate fan of Our Girl.
The other thing he and the "Young Country" acts did was to force the older artists off of country radio, and that included Emmylou, to a large extent. As a result, she found her niche doing alternative stuff from about the early 1990s onward, and has had steady album sales. However, she laments at what country radio has become; she calls what they play "vanilla"--and rightly so (IMHO).
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Post by Dianna on Apr 10, 2012 12:58:26 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker: Well, Brooks (who is sometimes derisively known as "Garth Vader" [and don't you want to know why?]) has always been a wild card of sorts anyway. I don't think anyone can question that he certainly aided in making country music as big as it was in the 90s and beyond when he was active. On the other hand, his stage spectaculars, including the smoke bombs, lasers, and swinging from a rope high above the stage like he was Tarzan, forced virtually everyone who has followed in his wake to do likewise, thus obscuring the true spirit of country music in favor of 80s arena rock theatrics. Ironically, one of the few who hasn't done so is his Significant Other--one Trisha Yearwood, that most inveterate fan of Our Girl. The other thing he and the "Young Country" acts did was to force the older artists off of country radio, and that included Emmylou, to a large extent. As a result, she found her niche doing alternative stuff from about the early 1990s onward, and has had steady album sales. However, she laments at what country radio has become; she calls what they play "vanilla"--and rightly so (IMHO). I think with any type of music, be it pop, rnb or rock, this just happens as part of music evolution, Likewise, I don't believe whatever is popular today on top 40 stations are responsible for lack of new i.e. Stones ,Tom Jones or Linda hits. I prefer the older c and w too.. most of it. I don't think country music be treated any differently or held up as sacred either. it just happens. I personally would like to hear new Dixie Chicks material (they're still pretty current) on country stations.. but, I realize that will happen when pigs fly.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 10, 2012 14:53:59 GMT -5
Well, Brooks (who is sometimes derisively known as "Garth Vader" [and don't you want to know why?]) has always been a wild card of sorts anyway. I don't think anyone can question that he certainly aided in making country music as big as it was in the 90s and beyond when he was active. On the other hand, his stage spectaculars, including the smoke bombs, lasers, and swinging from a rope high above the stage like he was Tarzan, forced virtually everyone who has followed in his wake to do likewise, thus obscuring the true spirit of country music in favor of 80s arena rock theatrics. Ironically, one of the few who hasn't done so is his Significant Other--one Trisha Yearwood, that most inveterate fan of Our Girl. The other thing he and the "Young Country" acts did was to force the older artists off of country radio, and that included Emmylou, to a large extent. As a result, she found her niche doing alternative stuff from about the early 1990s onward, and has had steady album sales. However, she laments at what country radio has become; she calls what they play "vanilla"--and rightly so (IMHO). Brooks, Garth Vader? I've never heard that one before but it's funny. I've seen references to him as Girth Brooks but as you note, he did up the ante for other country acts with his stage show. I'm not so sure I'd blame him and younger country for forcing older artists off of country radio as that was going on before he came along. And to be honest, Brooks was pretty old himself when he started having hits - in his 30s, which seemed to be the starting age for most artists at that time. Whatever happened to signing artists when they were still in their late teens or early 20s? But, radio favored the younger artists and back then, if an artist was in their early 40s, they were deemed too old by radio. I recall reading an opinion piece in some country music magazine about the fact that Dolly Parton at 45 couldn't get airplay because radio thought she was too old. But, that malaise was going on with other genres as well and radio - and record compaines, their partners in crime, bear much (if not all) of the blame for the discrimination and boycotting of older artists. That's not to say there weren't some younger artists or bands that thought they were being denied radio airplay and hits because of the older acts. But, I always wondered why it didn't occur to those morons that if the older artists were being denied radio airplay and getting hits, why blame them? They needed to look at who their competition was on the radio and who was getting the hits. If Emmylou and Dolly (and Linda and other older acts, too) weren't getting radio airplay and major sales with their latest releases, then obviously the problem wasn't with them for the younger artist's lack of success.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 10, 2012 15:18:14 GMT -5
I think with any type of music, be it pop, rnb or rock, this just happens as part of music evolution, Likewise, I don't believe whatever is popular today on top 40 stations are responsible for lack of new i.e. Stones ,Tom Jones or Linda hits. I prefer the older c and w too.. most of it. I don't think country music be treated any differently or held up as sacred either. it just happens. I personally would like to hear new Dixie Chicks material (they're still pretty current) on country stations.. but, I realize that will happen when pigs fly. I don't blame the younger artists for older artists not getting played or still having hits. But, I do place the blame on the radio stations and the record companies for the older artists not receiving as much radio airplay or sales. The entertainment industry is the only industry where age discrimination is so blatantly out in the open and yet, no one will ever do anything about it. If the government was to file age discrimination complaints against all of the radio, tv and motion picture and record companies, they couldn't hide what they do with excuses used by other businesses to disguise their age discrimination practices. But, again, no one does anything to stop it. Of course, there are a lot of people who think every singer or band signed to a record label or actor and actress in movies or on TV are extremely wealthy. Some of them are but it might surprise many to learn that they may make more money per year than the singer, musician or actor. Wealth isn't a given in the entertainment industry any more than it is in any other industry. But, whereas the majority of us working normal jobs will retire at 65 or maybe 70 (if we're lucky), a celebrity - especially a singer, is considered to be too old in their 40s or 50s. And perhaps forced into a retirement they don't want or relegated to playing the oldies circuit, something else they may not want, but still need to make a living.
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Post by mysteryguest on Apr 10, 2012 16:19:07 GMT -5
It's the tweenie and teens that buy the bulk of music so that is who the radio stations mostly air. After all, how many teens want to listen to their grandparents music (Linda, Emmy, Dolly, Garth, etc.)? Trying to think back when I was 15 who were the music stars 35 years earlier which would have been the early 1930's. Come to think of it radio didn't even catch on until the late 20's and early 30's on a broad basis.
Ok, well, I actually did like that stuff and loved the old movies and musicals that blasted 1950's tv but like Linda who loved the big band stuff too I just don't think todays kids want to hear their grandparents stuff.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 10, 2012 22:05:13 GMT -5
It's the tweenie and teens that buy the bulk of music so that is who the radio stations mostly air. After all, how many teens want to listen to their grandparents music (Linda, Emmy, Dolly, Garth, etc.)? Trying to think back when I was 15 who were the music stars 35 years earlier which would have been the early 1930's. Come to think of it radio didn't even catch on until the late 20's and early 30's on a broad basis. Ok, well, I actually did like that stuff and loved the old movies and musicals that blasted 1950's tv but like Linda who loved the big band stuff too I just don't think todays kids want to hear their grandparents stuff. I haven't looked at the figures for the "record" buying public in a long, but the last one I recall, seems like there were more adults than teens and tweens buying albums. of course, now with the downloads, it may be the teens and tweens making up the majority of people buying. I still prefer buying cds and playing them on the stereo. The ipads and what have you that others download their music onto reminds me of the old pocket radios, just with no DJs. Better sound, no doubt but it still sounds tinny and terrible. Kids today not wanting to hear their grandparent's stuff? Probably not although my niece's oldest daughter is a fan of music from the 1960s and 1970s, thanks to a certain granduncle who looks like me and who got her hooked on the music. Like any other teen of her time, she likes many of the current artists and bands, from various genres but she plays quite a bit of the music from the 60s and 70s every day. But, I don't think she's hardly the exception rather than the rule as the two oldies stations in the area get quite a few requests from the teens and tweens. More than what one would expect but still, I think the interest is there because the music was different, timeless and special. And what made it that way has never been able to be recaptured by the artists and bands who followed, despite the improvement in the production and sound
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Post by philly on Jun 5, 2012 17:01:56 GMT -5
Dolly Parton, EmmyLou Harris & Linda Ronstadt on Regis 25-3-99
Linda's glad they didn't kill Dolly, lol ;D
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Post by MokyWI on Jun 5, 2012 19:11:41 GMT -5
Seemed pretty clear by Linda's expression when asked about her kids that she was uncomfortable talking about them, like maybe Regis had been instructed not to talk about personal/kids and he went ahead and did so anyway. She gave him a very strange facial response when he brought the children up and he quickly moved onto Tucson and off the kids. I thought Linda came of uneasy.
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Post by sliderocker on Jun 5, 2012 19:44:42 GMT -5
Linda looked pretty uncomfortable the entire time , not saying very much at all. Didn't seem like Emmylou had much more to say either and that Dolly talked too much of the time. Of course, between Dolly and Regis, it's a wonder Linda and Emmylou had a chance to say anything at all.
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Post by erik on Jun 5, 2012 20:45:47 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker:
Dolly has always been rather gabby (to put it mildly), so it's not too surprising that she'd yap and yap and yap. But say whatever else you will about her (good or bad), there aren't too many who can be entertaining and very sharp at the same time.
Linda, however, did get in that quote from Judy Henske about the four kinds of sexes in Hollywood in the 1960s (LOL).
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Post by fabtastique on Jun 14, 2012 14:59:14 GMT -5
Is this rerelease dead? There's been no news - disappointing if it is.
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Post by erik on Jun 14, 2012 20:30:36 GMT -5
For the life of me, I wish I knew what the hold-up was...or if this was just hype.
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Post by memac62 on Oct 2, 2012 14:51:09 GMT -5
For the life of me, I wish I knew what the hold-up was...or if this was just hype. Has anyone heard anything about this release? The year's almost over.
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Post by erik on Oct 2, 2012 17:45:13 GMT -5
That's the real question for this year, it would seem. And again, I don't know what the hangup with this is. I don't think any of us does, to be honest.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 13, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -5
am stumped that such a big album nominated for album of the year and has 3 big artists in the group that this release has not happened. eddiejinnj
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Post by memac62 on Jan 7, 2013 19:31:25 GMT -5
Since the anniversary year has come and gone, is it safe to say this is a dead issue?
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Post by erik on Jan 7, 2013 20:13:38 GMT -5
Quote by memac62: I'm willing to concede as much.
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Post by Ollie on Feb 3, 2014 16:23:29 GMT -5
I've heard that the Trio project has been pushed back for another year so that Nonesuch can release a 20th anniversary edition (with outtakes and bonus DVD) of Emmylou's "Wrecking Ball" to coincide with a Wrecking Ball tour by Emmylou and Daniel Lanois.
I don't think the TRIO project is a dead issue-- just a delayed release. BTW, Emmylou's label, Nonesuch, is owned by Warner Music Group and distributed by Warner Bros. Records, which originally released Trio. If Rhino Records doesn't put out the Trio project, I think it is very likely that Nonesuch will.
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Post by just me on Feb 3, 2014 16:58:06 GMT -5
Luv Emmylou, but really why does wrecking ball get that kind of treatment when HLAW, SD, among others sell more, are considered landmarks in music history and are far more important.?What has really happened to the Elektra Asylum catalog? Linda's GH vol. 1 and 2 import has been in the top 50 on Amazon last fall and remains in the top 500. With all the beloved attention, recognition and a NY Times best selling memoir you think they would do some interesting remasters and releases. Does Linda have no control over her past recordings? The live DVDs were of questionable quality and if you want to buy Cancionous on CD it is a fortune. I know there have been some vinyl rereleases but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. As someone said on the Steve Hoffman's audiophile blog "they release all the Streisand stuff in quality formats and Streisand can't hold Linda's bra straps". It is just not fair.
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Post by DollyRules on Mar 29, 2015 13:33:10 GMT -5
On this weekend's "CMT Hot Country Countdown" (March, 28, 2015), Dolly reported that another Trio project was going to be released sometime "this year", although she did not have an exact date. She stated that both Linda and Emmy have "signed off" on the projects release. It looks like it could be coming later this year!
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Post by linda on Mar 29, 2015 16:10:53 GMT -5
pretty sure it couldn't happen without Ronstadt and Parton's consent. The interview with Dolly on CMT said that both Linda and Emmylou signed off on the project.
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Post by PoP80 on Mar 29, 2015 16:23:10 GMT -5
Maybe I can ask Emmylou when I see her at City Winery in May.
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