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Post by erik on Oct 15, 2012 9:01:37 GMT -5
I should have posted this one yesterday, but it is an important reminder of how the National Anthem really ought to be done at sporting events, not as if you were on American Idol.
October 14, 1977, World Series Game 3:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 19:43:29 GMT -5
When my former co-worker found out I was a Linda fan, one of the first things he said was that she did the best version of the Star Spangled Banner he heard...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 19:46:27 GMT -5
I must say, here is another version done respectfully and cleanly:
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Post by erik on Oct 15, 2012 21:18:21 GMT -5
Shelby's is very good too (IMHO).
For the life of me, I just don't see why everyone else can't do it as straight as Linda and Shelby do it. What in the world are some of these people trying to prove?!
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 15, 2012 22:51:39 GMT -5
Shelby's is very good too (IMHO). For the life of me, I just don't see why everyone else can't do it as straight as Linda and Shelby do it. What in the world are some of these people trying to prove?! It's been claimed the "Star Spangled Banner" is a very difficult song to sing for many singers. I'm not sure why as I think the melody is fairly easy to sing. Maybe it's the lyrics? As for what others may be trying to prove, maybe they just are putting their own individuality on the song, although hitting wrong notes or putting notes in that aren't there to begin with ensures the individual's performance will be remembered for the wrong reason.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 16, 2012 0:18:11 GMT -5
Not to crash this thread, but remember when this guy sang the NA? Linda did a great job.. but after watching Mr. Lewis bite off more than he could chew, there's a reason why people like Linda get paid the big bucks to sing.. it ain't as easy as it looks.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 16, 2012 0:59:39 GMT -5
Not to crash this thread, but remember when this guy sang the NA? Linda did a great job.. but after watching Mr. Lewis bite off more than he could chew, there's a reason why people like Linda get paid the big bucks to sing.. it ain't as easy as it looks. Just horrible. I never saw it originally but glad I missed it. I'm surprised people weren't throwing things at him or throwing up or demanding part of their money back. That clip belongs in the "Scared the Crap Out of Me" thread!
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 16, 2012 7:24:57 GMT -5
she did an excellent job though one word mess up but that one is common. i remember seeing it live on tv that day. was a young lad lol!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Oct 16, 2012 8:49:07 GMT -5
Quote by dianna:
Linda's "payment" for her doing the National Anthem was a Dodgers jacket, because she had agreed to do it after much indecisiveness, and had even agreed to do it for nothing. Peter Asher had warned her what to listen out for in Dodger Stadium with the PA echo and the organ, and jokingly told her, "I wouldn't do it for all the money in the world, and you're doing it for free."
And yes Linda did slip on one word; but as she had never done this before, let alone in front of such a large audience (58,000), and given how hard it is to do it at all, hers must rank either at or close to the top (IMHO).
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Post by Dianna on Oct 16, 2012 9:56:55 GMT -5
It is a hard song to sing and I heard that story about what Peter Asher said. See, I don't understand what he meant by that (would never sing that song for all the money) It's not like she had never played for a huge crowd before, in a stadium no less, she sang the NA with ease..
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 16, 2012 14:26:47 GMT -5
What error did she make?
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Post by erik on Oct 16, 2012 14:54:19 GMT -5
The phrase "perilous fight"; she sings it as "perilous night". But evidently no one seemed to notice it either in 1977 or 2012.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 16, 2012 15:16:11 GMT -5
well it has been noticed and cited on here but i get what you mean. it was not a blaring mistake or issue i recall and you seem to be making reference that it is such a good version that you may be listening to her and not notice the mistake. eddiejinnj
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 16, 2012 15:29:23 GMT -5
well it has been noticed and cited on here but i get what you mean. it was not a blaring mistake or issue i recall and you seem to be making reference that it is such a good version that you may be listening to her and not notice the mistake. eddiejinnj Linda's voice is definitely hypnotic until of course she starts screaming rock and roll haha. I must admit Mad Love is one of my favorite Linda albums and one of her most perfect no matter what he eggheads say.
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Post by philly on Oct 16, 2012 19:23:01 GMT -5
It's definitely not a song to be trying vocal gymnastics on
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Post by erik on Oct 16, 2012 19:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 17, 2012 1:32:11 GMT -5
And certainly not for the idiotic stunts R. Barr showed. Roseanne's performance was considered a national embarrassment, although thinking about it all these many years later, I'm more inclined to blame the person whose bright idea it was to bring Roseanne in to sing the national anthem. Roseanne wasn't a singer and she knew it, and I think she wanted to try doing it in a comedic funny way and it just didn't work out that way. I've become more sympathetic to Roseanne's horrendous performance over the years because I don't think she meant any disrespect. She may have been thinking "WTF was I thinking when I signed on for this gig?" because of the stormy backlash her appearance caused. I sometimes wondered if the skit would've been overlooked if it had been performed by Robin Williams or some other male non-singing comedian instead?
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Post by philly on Oct 17, 2012 3:41:31 GMT -5
Apparently, Jose Feliciano started the creative performance of the star spangled banner in 1968, and took a lot of heat for it:
This is the story of the very 1st personal version of the Usa Anthem, before Jimi hendrix, Aretha Franklin or Marvin Gaye ray Charles Whitney Houston. This version however destroyed his career: american radios, press and record companies stopped to play his records and boycotted his career, a career af a true genius then never has received all what he deserve
Jose Feliciano Oct. 7, 1968 Puerto Rican blind singer/guitarist Jose Feliciano stunned the crowd at Tiger Stadium in Detroit, and the rest of America, when he strummed a slow, bluesy rendition of the national anthem before Game 5 of the World Series between Detroit and St. Louis. The 23-year-old's performance was the first nontraditional version seen by mainstream America, and it is generally considered the Lexington and Concord of Star-Spangled Banner controversies. The fiery response from Vietnam-weary America was not surprising, considering the tumultuous year for American patriotism. Good or bad, however, Feliciano's performance opened the door for the countless interpretations of the Star-Spangled Banner we hear today.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 17, 2012 8:42:13 GMT -5
I like his version. There is always someone looking for an excuse to come down on someone for something. Americans are not as openminded as many may think. Guess this makes Jose a real trailblazer.
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Post by erik on Oct 17, 2012 8:44:52 GMT -5
A real shame that he should have been publicly barbecued by an allegedly "patriotic" bunch of baseball fans, but it definitely showed how protective a lot of us are of our national anthem.
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 17, 2012 8:54:32 GMT -5
Well, if I remember correctly there was a lot of controversy around keeping The Star Spangled Banner as our national anthem at that time.
There was a charge to push America The Beautiful as America's official song:
And much later this song was looked at as a strong possibility:
I am not sure it will ever change though. I particularly like this song too (especially this version). It really resonates with emotion:
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Post by philly on Oct 17, 2012 12:24:50 GMT -5
And Jose just performed it in San Fran on Monday...there are a number of youtubes of him doing the NA at games. I'd be surprised if he didn't pay a visit to Linda when he was there. When she performed in Albuquerque in '09, she took a side trip to Santa Fe, where coincidentally(?) Jose was performing during those couple days. He also intro'd her on one of the midnight special videos on YT.
I kinda remember there was a little push to replace the SSB with America The Beautiful, thought it was much later though, like the 80s...the SSB's references to "bombs" and the supposed difficulty in singing it were the reasons I recall
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Post by Dianna on Oct 17, 2012 14:52:14 GMT -5
I personally like this version a lot. Probably one of my favorites.
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Post by erik on Oct 17, 2012 17:17:47 GMT -5
Of course, in retrospect, the Chicks' version, done at Super Bowl 37 in San Diego on January 26, 2003, seems to be a painful precursor to what would befall them 43 days later in London.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 17, 2012 19:01:36 GMT -5
I kinda remember there was a little push to replace the SSB with America The Beautiful, thought it was much later though, like the 80s...the SSB's references to "bombs" and the supposed difficulty in singing it were the reasons I recall I've always thought "America the Beautiful" should be our national anthem because it doesn't glorify us as a nation of warriors unlike the SSB, which does to a degree. Even though the SSB was about our fight and eventual independence from the British, it's not especially relevant to who we are today except to those conservatives for whom America seems to mean my America and my values but not yours. SSB should be a reminder of not only our independent streak but that the country belongs to all of us and not just the few who want to "take back America."
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 18, 2012 9:02:56 GMT -5
Well, the Star Spangled Banner didn't even become the National Anthem until the 1930's (15 years before Linda was born) so it should be changeable in my opinion. Another one I like is Stars & Stripes Forever. (if we stay with a flag theme) It is more fun to sing.
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Post by dr rod on Jul 6, 2013 20:40:54 GMT -5
I am now an old fart ... and I was there. Thank you.
-ps - still can't stand Reggie as a player or the doggone mule of the Oakland A's and as a NY Yankee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 7:21:30 GMT -5
I am now an old fart ... and I was there. Thank you. -ps - still can't stand Reggie as a player or the doggone mule of the Oakland A's and as a NY Yankee. Yeah, Reggie had an ego, but compared to some modern day ballplayers and rock stars he was Mahatma Gandhi .. (PS - He also came through when his team needed him; *cough A-Rod cough*)... BTW I mentioned that I was a Linda fan to my former co-worker, and he said that she did the best version of the Star Spangled banner he ever heard)
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Post by erik on Jul 7, 2013 12:25:18 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
I think it's too firmly entrenched in the popular psyche for it to be cast aside now; but as I've said, Linda's is a model for how it ought to be done.
As for "America The Beautiful", if any song is going to replace "SSB", it may as well be that one. But one would be hard-pressed to find a better recording of it than Brother Ray's 1972 version, which we hear every 4th Of July on the radio.
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Post by 70smusicfan on Jul 7, 2013 17:40:16 GMT -5
Ronstadt Generations (Linda's brother and two nephews) with two other musicians did a patriotic mini-CD last year (America the Beautiful, Battle Hymn..., My Country..., This Land..., & Star Spangled Banner). The music had a Mexican-flavor (but SSB still faithful to original). In this age of immigrant persecution by Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Arizona in general, a needed reminder that we are all immigrants.
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