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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 9:02:04 GMT -5
2 from the wonderful Judy Garland
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Post by sliderocker on May 25, 2021 13:14:41 GMT -5
Thanks Slide.. Yeah, I haven't posted for awhile.. I read the threads when I get a chance to.. Speaking of Jim Croce.. You know his song, Operator was the very first 45 I bought.. it was that one or Candy Man from Sammy Davis.. remember I was still very young in elementary school.. but like Linda I was very much into the radio from an early age 4 or 5 years old. I remember my Mom had this cosco type stool in the kitchen and I would sit and wait until Candy Man came on the radio lol.
Many of Jim's songs were sad and melancholy. Operator, Time in a Bottle,Photographs and Memories (another song which will have you reaching for the hankies) and Hey Tomorrow from his first album were all sad emotionally. And listening to the songs, it dawns on the listener that Jim was going to die at a young age, but those of who were around at the time (I was 18) didn't realize just how limited his time was.
As I said at that age I would ask my Mom to buy me the 45's, I think they were 25 cents @ Zody's back then I didn't get into LP's and cassettes until Jr. High so I never had Croce's albums.. but at the time, he was my favorite singer (and Sammy Davis lol) oddly enough, I knew he was going to die in a plane crash before it happened so it didn't shock me when I heard the news (how weird- but that sort of stuff happens all the time).
I developed that knack of knowing someone was going to die, whether it was a singer or actor or a family member. When Elvis's last single before his death, Way Down, came out, somehow I knew it would be his last single and that he would die. I had vibes two weeks before he died that he was going to die.
His last album Moody Blue had the song It's Easy for You, written specifically for Elvis by Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber. And it had death written all over it, though there was nothing in the lyrics which specifically mentioned death. It was just so incredibly sad.
The first verse especially just gets to you with the lyrics You may not mind that it's over/But I've a different point of view/Even though I am shattered/It's easy for you. In the wake of Elvis's death barely two weeks after the album was released, the first and third lyrics seem more to suggest the protagonist has died. The second verse seems to reference his funeral and the mourners.
And I got the same feeling when I heard John Lennon's Watching the Wheels. When I first heard that song, I knew John didn't have long. It had that sense of sadness, sense of death pending. I wished that was one that didn't come to pass, but I don't understand what it is in the songs that summon death. I also got a bad death vibe for Linda on Try Me Again. I was never so glad as when that one didn't come to pass.
I remember right after his passing the hit single, "I got a name," came out.. and boy, that song just killed me.. I couldn't get through it without bawling. I'll listen to the Croce songs you suggested because as I said, I didn't have any of his albums..
Jim didn't write I Got a Name but it got to me as Jim and his friend and guitarist Maury Muehleisen had just died in the plane crash. The album had been sequenced and was being readied for release at the time of Jim's death, and The Hard Way Every Time was closer for the album. The album's inner cover had a photo of a shirtless Jim in bed (which I thought was kind of in bad taste). On the wall was a calendar showing the month of September and a picture frame with a photo of Maury.
Maury was a good singer and guitarist as well. I thought he and Jim were the same age but Maury was only 25 when he died in the crash. Jim had gotten out of the music business but when he played Maury's album, Maury's music got Jim excited enough to get back in music and try one more time. The two met up and became each other's backing guitarist. What music we have of Jim's was borne from his friendship with Maury. They had to be soul brothers, I think.
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Post by Dianna on May 25, 2021 22:54:34 GMT -5
How about this one? I had the 45 as well.. Maureen McGovern. From The Poseidon Adventure 1973.. I think "Morning After," was Maureen's only hit song. Loved her voice which to me seems very broadway..Kind of similar to Melissa Manchester- Midnight Blue.. . I think Linda could have added a bit of Country Rock spin to it.. This would have been after Long Long Time and Before Heart Like a Wheel
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 6:04:49 GMT -5
Terrific song!
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 26, 2021 7:52:10 GMT -5
I loved that movie. I think Linda could have made the song more pop than Maureen even did (she did a fine job with it). A little more power ballad. It had that element but I just think it would have worked with that Ronstadt oomph. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on May 26, 2021 9:15:01 GMT -5
Re. Maureen McGovern: "The Morning After" wasn't her only hit, just the biggest (coming from one of the great disaster movies of the 1970's). She also had a #18 hit in late 1978 with "Different Worlds", from the TV series Angie; and two more movie songs that charted outside the Top 40: "We May Never Love Like This Again" (for another Irwin Allen-produced disaster film, the 1974 epic THE TOWERING INFERNO), and "Can You Read My Mind?" (from SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, in 1978).
This is strictly my opinion, but I don't know that "The Morning After" would be a song that Linda would have put into her repertoire because it might have seemed "too Hollywood" for her. I think Maureen did it alright.
Then there's "Wasn't Born To Follow", the Carole King/Gerry Goffin song that the Byrds did for their 1968 album The Notorious Byrd Brothers in a kind of psychedelic C&W/rock fashion (this ended up on the soundtrack of EASY RIDER in 1969):
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 10:51:42 GMT -5
Song by lovely Lari White (RIP), good Linda material too.
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Post by erik on May 26, 2021 11:53:57 GMT -5
Re. "Now I Know": Yes, I could definitely see/hear Linda doing that (ironically, since she is a Nashville resident, Linda's second cousin Britt has actually done that song a time or two in clubs). And Lari, like so many in the female country music explosion of the 1990's, credited Linda with influencing her approach. Her words about Linda once were: "You feel like you've been through a drama in a three-minute song."
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Post by RobGNYC on May 26, 2021 12:09:52 GMT -5
Re. Maureen McGovern: "The Morning After" wasn't her only hit, just the biggest (coming from one of the great disaster movies of the 1970's). She also had a #18 hit in late 1978 with "Different Worlds", from the TV series Angie; and two more movie songs that charted outside the Top 40: "We May Never Love Like This Again" (for another Irwin Allen-produced disaster film, the 1974 epic THE TOWERING INFERNO), and "Can You Read My Mind?" (from SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, in 1978). This is strictly my opinion, but I don't know that "The Morning After" would be a song that Linda would have put into her repertoire because it might have seemed "too Hollywood" for her. I think Maureen did it alright. Then there's "Wasn't Born To Follow", the Carole King/Gerry Goffin song that the Byrds did for their 1968 album The Notorious Byrd Brothers in a kind of psychedelic C&W/rock fashion (this ended up on the soundtrack of EASY RIDER in 1969): Dusty Springfield did a beautiful version of "Wasn't Born to Follow. Linda cited Dusty in the notes to "Winter Light": “Linda would like to acknowledge the work of the great female vocalists Dusty Springfield, Maxine Browne, Etta James & Dionne Warwick whose original work on some of the songs included in this collection she has studied and admired."
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Post by rick on May 26, 2021 15:18:32 GMT -5
Here are two songs I wish we had as solos by Linda, but at least she is on them in some form.
First, Jimmy Webb’s “All I Know,” on which Linda provided a harmony.
Obviously this collaboration with Webb was recorded when Linda’s voice was not at full power. I could envision a big orchestral version from Linda around the time of “Cry Like a Rainstorm.” The arrangement might sound something like this —
The second song I would have loved as a solo by Linda is “Moonlight in Vermont,” but at least we have her version as a duet with Frank Sinatra —
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Post by erik on May 26, 2021 21:32:32 GMT -5
Still one more worthy of consideration is "Warmth Of The Sun", a vintage Beach Boys track from 1964:
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 3:26:54 GMT -5
Here are two songs I wish we had as solos by Linda, but at least she is on them in some form. First, Jimmy Webb’s “All I Know,” on which Linda provided a harmony. Obviously this collaboration with Webb was recorded when Linda’s voice was not at full power. I could envision a big orchestral version from Linda around the time of “Cry Like a Rainstorm.” The arrangement might sound something like this — The second song I would have loved as a solo by Linda is “Moonlight in Vermont,” but at least we have her version as a duet with Frank Sinatra — Linda's duet with Jimmy Webb was her last ever studio recording, it was made in 2010, and she came out of retirement just that once because of Jimmy and that song.
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Post by rick on May 28, 2021 6:13:58 GMT -5
Linda's duet with Jimmy Webb was her last ever studio recording, it was made in 2010, and she came out of retirement just that once because of Jimmy and that song. heartbreaker, I realize that you maybe were not here on the board when this information about Jimmy Webb's collaboration with Linda on "All I Know" was taken up here previously in other threads -- ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/1645/lindas-last-recording And in the following thread, I made this comment: " Of course, Linda did some harmonizing/back-up vocals on "All I Know" for Webb's "Just Across the River" album in 2010. I believe it was said that was the last song that Linda recorded. I own it. It makes me sad to listen to it." ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/1997/linda-jimmy-webb
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 10:55:18 GMT -5
Linda's duet with Jimmy Webb was her last ever studio recording, it was made in 2010, and she came out of retirement just that once because of Jimmy and that song. heartbreaker, I realize that you may were not here on the board when this information about Jimmy Webb's collaboration with Linda on "All I Know" was taken up here previously in other threads -- ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/1645/lindas-last-recording And in the following thread, I made this comment: " Of course, Linda did some harmonizing/back-up vocals on "All I Know" for Webb's "Just Across the River" album in 2010. I believe it was said that was the last song that Linda recorded. I own it. It makes me sad to listen to it." ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/1997/linda-jimmy-webbUh yeah Rick, that was like 8 & 7 years ago, respectively to your linked threads!
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Post by erik on May 28, 2021 12:04:05 GMT -5
The way we're going here with this list, we're likely to write War And Peace or something like it.
But anyway gang....
There's the song "You'll Never Walk Alone" from the 1945 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical Carousel, which, in 1954, Roy Hamilton took into neo-Gospel territory; and then Elvis did the same for his 1967 album How Great Thou Art:
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Post by RobGNYC on May 28, 2021 12:14:13 GMT -5
I don't think that Linda would have gone near "You'll Never Walk Alone," the concluding song every year of the Jerry Lewis telethon. Linda in Rolling Stone (December 2, 1976): "Didn't the Jerry Lewis telethon last night suck?"
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Post by erik on May 28, 2021 12:33:50 GMT -5
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She may have had a lot against the Jerry Lewis telethon, but that doesn't necessarily mean she has anything against that song...especially if she were to do it the way The King did it, admittedly without the Jordanaires.
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Post by sliderocker on May 28, 2021 20:14:41 GMT -5
How about this one? I had the 45 as well.. Maureen McGovern. From The Poseidon Adventure 1973.. I think "Morning After," was Maureen's only hit song. Loved her voice which to me seems very broadway..Kind of similar to Melissa Manchester- Midnight Blue.. . I think Linda could have added a bit of Country Rock spin to it.. This would have been after Long Long Time and Before Heart Like a Wheel This would've given Linda another connection to Elvis if she had recorded The Morning After. The song was written by the team of Al Kasha and Joel Hirschorn, who in 1967 had written a song for Elvis's movie Speedway. The song was Your Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby. It was a short song for a scene involving Elvis, actor Bill Bixby and child actress Victoria Meyerink, after Meyerink expressed a wish to Elvis' character to wait for her to grow up so she could marry his character. The song was cute and released as the B-side to Let Yourself Go. Now, Let Yourself Go was another song Linda should've tackled. Elvis hated Speedwayand most of the songs that were in the movie. Let Yourself Go was one of the exceptions. As for Al kasha and Joel Hirschorn, Your Time Hasn't Come Yet, Baby would be their only song recorded by Elvis. If the song had been successful, he might have requested the team submit more songs his way. Their song for Elvis Its A-side (written by Joy Byers), from the movie but featured in a superior version in his 1968 TV special:
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Post by sliderocker on May 28, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -5
Quote by RobGNYC: She may have had a lot against the Jerry Lewis telethon, but that doesn't necessarily mean she has anything against that song...especially if she were to do it the way The King did it, admittedly without the Jordanaires. Many need to realize that might be Linda's stance today, but Linda didn't necessarily reject doing a song because it was considered a gospel song. However, strictly speaking, You'll Never Walk Alone is not a gospel song. It's spiritual in nature but as it is a song by Broadway songwriters Rodgers and Hammerstein, it's a song for which people of every religion and no religion can relate to the song's message. And it should be noted that despite being an "atheist," Linda has recorded a few gospel songs. And she sung the songs with more fervency and respect than many gospel singers had done with the same songs. Linda, singing the last verse on Softly and Tenderly, sings with the passion of a believer, and it's a revelation. She did the song with Emmylou and Dolly. And it's a shame they just didn't let her do all of the song, as Emmylou and Dolly had recorded versions of the song prior to recording the song with Linda. And there are no harmony vocals to speak of. Regarding the Jerry Lewis telethon, I totally agree with Linda's onbservation. It stunk, although I believe that was the telethon where Jerry and Dean Martin reunited for the last time. The telethons were never flashy but it would've helped if it had been flashier. One watched because one wanted to see who would show up. I recall a pair of twin sisters (from Oklahoma), who were actresses, appearing on one of the shows and doing a version of the Merilee Rush hit Angel of the Morning, which had been a hit for Juice Newton. The sister act was introduced by Pat Boone and at the end of the song, he says "Ain't they cute?" And he said it in a way that struck me as lecherous. I thought, what a twister. Has this squeeky clean image and yet because these two girls performed around three or four of the morning, with very few watching, he makes that comment and few paid attention. Boone always struck me as a hypocrite and that was one night he displayed his hypocracy.
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Post by Guest of a Guest on May 29, 2021 13:45:00 GMT -5
You'll Never Walk Alone is Not a Ronstadt tune at all - not the lyrics and not the melody. The beauty of Linda "belting" is she doesn't sound like a Broadway belter and she doesn't pretend, as far too many singers do, to have grown up in a Black Gospel Church. She lets go in a very Ranchero type style. BTW John Beland of Linda's early solo band Swampwater just stated on FB that they had worked on "Can't Find My Way Home" the Blind Faith/ Stevie Winslow tune and regretted that the band And Linda didn't record it. Now that would have been something.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 29, 2021 14:25:06 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, GoaG and for your info. I don't believe I ever heard about that song. Thanks much and it is easy to join the forum. Having a soggy weekend here so far at the shore. eddiejinnj
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 15:33:55 GMT -5
You'll Never Walk Alone is Not a Ronstadt tune at all - not the lyrics and not the melody. The beauty of Linda "belting" is she doesn't sound like a Broadway belter and she doesn't pretend, as far too many singers do, to have grown up in a Black Gospel Church. She lets go in a very Ranchero type style. BTW John Beland of Linda's early solo band Swampwater just stated on FB that they had worked on "Can't Find My Way Home" the Blind Faith/ Stevie Winslow tune and regretted that the band And Linda didn't record it. Now that would have been something. Linda has always said when she sings loud its like Lola Beltran, a mariachi singer. Lola Linda
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 15:53:01 GMT -5
And Lola songs Linda could have sung, are I expect very very many!
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Post by sliderocker on May 29, 2021 16:23:29 GMT -5
You'll Never Walk Alone is Not a Ronstadt tune at all - not the lyrics and not the melody. The beauty of Linda "belting" is she doesn't sound like a Broadway belter and she doesn't pretend, as far too many singers do, to have grown up in a Black Gospel Church. She lets go in a very Ranchero type style. BTW John Beland of Linda's early solo band Swampwater just stated on FB that they had worked on "Can't Find My Way Home" the Blind Faith/ Stevie Winslow tune and regretted that the band And Linda didn't record it. Now that would have been something. You'll Never Walk Alone isn't the kind of song Linda would've done pre- What's New, but I think after the What's New sessions, Linda likely could've considered recording the song. Elvis wasn't a Broadway belter. Neither were Gerry and the Pacemakers. Elvis spent some time in his youth in the black gospel churches, but one couldn't say that about Gerry. But, any singer wanting to tackle the song doesn't have to be a Broadway belter or to have grown up in the black gospel churches. How do you explain the gospel recordings Linda made, solo or with Emmylou and Dolly? Linda's religion was Catholic and southern-based gospel songs really didn't feature in many Catholic churches. So where did Linda hear the songs, given she had said she had to relate to the song in some way? And when Linda was doing pop, country, rock, country-rock, old Broadway standards, she wasn't doing the songs in a Ranchero type style. That's not a description I've ever seen in the 54 years I've been a Linda fan and listening to her music. The only time I saw reference to the ranchero way of making music were the three albums of Mexican music, all sung in Spanish. Which, by the way, Spanish is not the native language of Mexico. Spain conquered Mexico in 1521 and much like English replace the languages of the various Indian tribes in the United States, Spanish replaced the languages of the various Mexican tribes. The only pretenses Linda is guilty of is saying she wasn't a good singer or that singing the old standards or the Broadway songs made her a better singer. That's an affectation which has always puzzled me, because on her whole career, from cicra 1965 to 2006, she has dismissed her singing as not very good. And even though she said singing the old standards made her a better singer, she still dismisses her work on those recordings. She also dismisses her ranchero music as well. We have debated this topic on this forum to no end, with no truly satisfactory answer. I think her stance on her vocals was one of pretense. That she knew she was good but just didn't want to come off looking egotistical, the way so many of her contemporaries were. And who thought every song they wrote and recorded was a work of art. I've always referred to Linda as the queen of rock and roll to Elvis's king of rock and roll. And that she always said she wasn't a good singer was just Linda being self-deprecating about her beautiful voice that allowed her to sing all genres.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 30, 2021 6:09:12 GMT -5
The way I take heartbreaker's observation is that Linda has said that her belting singing style is more reflective of Lola Beltran than other genre belters. Linda has also said that her style of country (the American Southwest cowboy country) vs Dolly's more Eastern Appalachia style is different. I think of "Old Paint" when I think of Southwest country. Dang soggy weekend here, it still raining here. I feel bad for the tourism merchants. eddiejinnj
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Post by Guest of a Guest on May 30, 2021 13:38:28 GMT -5
You can easily hear the similarities between Beltrán's belting and Linda's belting. My goodness you can even hear Northern Mexican male singers with the same style Linda has employed going back to some of her early performances. It is a great unique sound - far more natural than many Broadway Belters. While Carousel was my favorite Rodgers and Hammerstein Linda could do "What's the Use of Wondering" before the overwrought cornball number "You'll Never Walk Alone". The lyrics were not Hammerstein's best - more sledgehammer than the wonderful lyrics he usually wrote.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 15:36:50 GMT -5
Staying broadway, I can happily seehear Linda in "South Pacific" singing "I'm gonna wash that man right outta my hair"
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Post by rick on May 30, 2021 16:00:52 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, GoaG and for your info. I don't believe I ever heard about that song. Thanks much and it is easy to join the forum. Having a soggy weekend here so far at the shore. eddiejinnj Eddie, here is Blind Faith's "Can't Find My Way Home" -- I always associate it with Steve Winwood -
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Post by rick on May 30, 2021 16:08:49 GMT -5
You can easily hear the similarities between Beltrán's belting and Linda's belting. My goodness you can even hear Northern Mexican male singers with the same style Linda has employed going back to some of her early performances. It is a great unique sound - far more natural than many Broadway Belters. While Carousel was my favorite Rodgers and Hammerstein Linda could do "What's the Use of Wondering" before the overwrought cornball number "You'll Never Walk Alone". The lyrics were not Hammerstein's best - more sledgehammer than the wonderful lyrics he usually wrote. I think what we have here is a parlor game. Someone please bring in the tray with the pot of tea, finger sandwiches, scones and brandy. We all have our own ideas of what songs we would have liked Linda to have recorded. This discussion about "You'll Never Walk Alone" and Broadway songs made me recall that during an interview Linda was talking about Broadway and she talked about how she hated what she considered to be a "typical" Broadway singer's sound, very nasaly, and then she went into an imitation of a very nasal-quality sound, perhaps doing an impersonation of what Ethel Merman or Andrea ("Annie" -- "Tomorrow") sounded like to her ears. Linda did record the Oscar Hammerstein tune "When I Grow Too Old To Dream" (Hammerstein lyrics) in the 1970s. I think when Linda recorded songs that came from the Broadway stage such as "Bewitched, Bothered, Bewildered" from "Pal Joey," she was not interpreting them in her mind the way an Ethel Merman-type singer would have, but rather the way that a Frank Sinatra, Nat "King" Cole, Peggy Lee, June Christy, Rosemary Clooney would have taken that song from the stage and interpreted it from a standards or jazz point-of-view. And with Nelson Riddle as her arranger, Linda could impart those dreamy 1950s' qualities to her interpretations to these songs. Many of them did come from the Broadway stage -- Rodgers and Hart, George and Ira Gershwin, etc. I will say that I disagree somewhat with Linda's pegging of all Broadway singers as having a certain nasal-y sound, but that's what it sounded like to her and she didn't want to sound the way she heard Broadway performers in her head. My two cents.
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Post by eddiejinnj on May 30, 2021 16:18:31 GMT -5
I know the song itself but never heard that Linda and the band were working on it. I can hear Linda do it definitely. I know you would have heard the lyrics better if she did it. :-) eddiejinnj Thanks for posting, Rick. I haven't heard it in quite awhile
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