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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 19, 2018 6:23:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Rich!!! I have a number of autographs but........ Eddiejinnj
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Post by Richard W on Dec 19, 2018 10:12:45 GMT -5
I could not resist the autographed red vinyl for $31. Just couldn't.
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Post by Guest PA on Dec 19, 2018 11:55:06 GMT -5
Ordered the red Vinyl signed from Rhino and CD from Amazon! If Boylan was on the Second Disc site - did anyone ask How is Linda? She cancelled the remaining gigs - rather worrisome health wise. Can't Let Go!
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Post by rick on Dec 19, 2018 12:01:56 GMT -5
Guest PA, you can read the one very long post on The Second Disc blog. It is not a chat room. He wrote a lengthy post about “Live in Hollywood.” Ronstadtfanaz copied and pasted here in this thread the entirety of Boylan’s post and I have provided the link more than once already in this thread. To that point, several people have responded to Boylan’s post, some not so persuaded by what he wrote.
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Post by musedeva on Dec 19, 2018 14:53:23 GMT -5
OH Mi Gawdess!!! This is Remastered??? Soooo Awesome...look At Kenny and his flowers!!! Rhino have posted Just One Look live from the album on YouTube here - very good quality !!! Let’s have the whole concert on Blu-ray please!!
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Post by musedeva on Dec 19, 2018 14:56:16 GMT -5
ABsolutely.....I like the idea of people seeing the interplay and acknowledgement of her and the musicians before each cut.... Her 1977 show in Atlanta was also really good and would have been a fine choice for a live cd and dvd.
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Post by germancanadian on Dec 19, 2018 15:41:32 GMT -5
I also love how much more respectful fans were back then. They actually kept quiet so that everyone could enjoy the performance. These days drunken morons are screaming and singing along and it ruins the whole show. ABsolutely.....I like the idea of people seeing the interplay and acknowledgement of her and the musicians before each cut.... Her 1977 show in Atlanta was also really good and would have been a fine choice for a live cd and dvd.
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Post by erik on Dec 19, 2018 19:54:35 GMT -5
Quote by germancanadian:
To be fair, there were drunken morons doing the same thing in the late 70s too; and in some ways, it colored Linda's view of her fans in a not-entirely-fair way, in my opinion. On the other hand, it is definitely rude for some drunk sumb**ch to be shouting "HEAT WAVE!!" when Linda is in the middle of a ballad, particularly when we are talking about someone who can do both ballads and rockers with equal facility and not cause musical whiplash.
But yes there are certainly a hell of a lot more nitwits who go into concert venues more loaded than a two-dollar pistol and do that crap that you speak of, especially when that venue happens to be an arena or a stadium.
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Post by MokyWI on Dec 20, 2018 13:31:38 GMT -5
Did anyone who preordered the autographed LP of Live in Hollywood just receive a stick pin and a Rhino Sticker? The paperwork that came with package has nothing about my purchase.
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Post by memac62 on Dec 20, 2018 15:36:37 GMT -5
Stupid me waited too long and now it's out of stock.
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Post by Partridge on Dec 20, 2018 16:59:18 GMT -5
I pre-ordered the LP version. It comes with a free Rhino sticker and button pin. The sticker and pin came via UPS today. I can't believe Rhino wasted the time and money, not to mention UPS resources, just to ship these two items in advance.
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 20, 2018 18:19:11 GMT -5
I’ve received nothing yet but think it’s ludicrous if they shipped this in advance of the vinyl ..... and on that note why wait until Feb 2019??
No real logical reason .... ?
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Post by erik on Dec 20, 2018 19:15:46 GMT -5
Quote by fabtastique:
Maybe trying to build up anticipation, I guess. But you could probably question the way they're doing it, of course.
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Post by rick on Dec 20, 2018 22:35:57 GMT -5
Just an FYI. Here again is John Boylan's first posting to the negative comments about "Live in Hollywood" and then other posts reacting to his post, and then his follow-up comment re: the Offenbach concert and searching for the Master Tapes for that one. Here is the thread starting from Boylan's initial post
John Boylan says: DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 7:18 PM Hi Joe The people in your comments section make several intelligent points, but those points do not take into account some of the behind-the-scenes realities of the 21st century record business: 1. Although it is technically possible to put up to about 85 minutes on a CD, the actual Red Book standard mandated in the technical specifications set down by Sony and Phillips states that 74 minutes is the maximum. Yes, I’ve seen some of the longer classical CDs, but chances are very good that they won’t play in many CD players, only on CD-ROM drives for ripping to iTunes. We have tried to adhere to Red Book standards which Rhino prefers. Anything else risks compromising sound quality. 2. In addition to the Red Book issue, there is a fee for every song that appears on a CD. By statute it’s $.091 per song per CD, paid by the record company to the various copyright holders of the songs. Since Linda did not write any of her hits, she is unable to offer a reduced rate to Rhino, so we had to pay full rate for all 12 songs. 3. Even if those first two issues somehow went away, there’s still the matter of the vinyl release – 20 songs would have necessitated pressing four sides, a double vinyl package that is very expensive to produce. To adhere to Red Book standards, we would have had to have a double CD as well, also expensive to produce. This would have priced the package above that which many buyers want to pay. 4. Every musician on the CD deserves to be paid for his or her work, so we adhered to the rules of the American Federation of Musicians and paid a substantial re-use fee to everyone. Those fees are calculated on the number of minutes of music. 5. Of course, we would all love to have a professional standard recording of Linda when Waddy Wachtel and Andrew Gold, and any number of other great players were in the band. I wish such a recording existed. However, this is one phenomenal group of players, all at the height of their game – that’s enough for me and should be enough for any Linda fan. To sum this up, after many hours of discussion (the process was certainly not “half-assed,” believe me), it was decided that the 12-song project was the best combination of art and commerce. The effort to bring this album to fruition took over a year, and involved the work of several lawyers, record company people, and Linda herself, who signed off on everything. As to the idea of a DVD/Blu-ray reissue, let me say that we are trying to make that viable for the future. Blu-ray is a very advanced format, however, and the master video of this concert is quite dated, technically speaking. It uses the old 4:3 aspect ratio instead of the current 16:9, and it looks sub-standard next to 4K video. However, we’re working on it, with no guarantees. I realize that none of these reasons, and indeed, none of the financial realities of the 21st century music industry, mean anything to the true music fan, myself included. All we can do is to keep trying. I do. Every day. Best Regards, John Boylan Linda Ronstadt Management – Los Angeles
Joe Marchese of The Second Disc says: DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 7:30 PM John, Thank you so much for so kindly and eloquently sharing your insights and experiences here. I’m confident that I can speak for our readership in saying we’re very much appreciative of your taking the time to address the concerns of so many passionate fans. In addition, thank you for all that you do (and have done) to keep the flame of Linda’s music burning so brightly. All my best, Joe
John Boylan says DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 7:32 PM And than you for letting me post! Keep up the good work, Joe!
David Olstein says DECEMBER 18, 2018 AT 8:04 PM John – As much as I appreciate you taking the time to post here, I found your response disappointing. First of all, you present a lot of false choices. For example, if presenting the full concert on vinyl and/or CD wasn’t feasible due to space limitations, you could have released a “highlights” version on LP and a deluxe version on a 2CD set. And there was (and continues to be) the option of releasing the entire concert as a digital download. Second, while you apparently decided that a truncated release was “good enough” for Linda Rondstadt fans, do you genuinely believe that the type of fan who is interested in purchasing an album of previously unreleased concert performances would actually *prefer* a truncated release over a complete release? Did you do any market research on this point? Third, with your point about video quality is well taken, I hope you’ll still consider a Blu-Ray release due to the vastly superior audio specs on Blu-Ray. And I certainly hope that if there is a video release, we’ll get the entire concert and not simply a video replication of the truncated audio release.
Bill says DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 8:53 PM All the points you make are well and good, it is just that three of the songs were already available, and for that reason alone fans were put off from this new release. I know that I would have a paid a slightly higher price for the inclusion of more songs, even if it was less than the 74 minutes. Here’s hoping the rest/missing items turn up in the near future.
gimpyforever says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 12:01 PM yes that is exactly right…I was so beyond thrilled to have those three tracks!!! it just doesn’t make any sense to repeat them on this issue of that show and leave the others off?!! John Boylan makes great points above, but the true diehard fans want everything from her they can get, and for that reason these reissues should satisfy the fans who will buy them and not leave us disappointed and wanting/waiting for more?!! hopefully there will be a deluxe Mad Love reissue including the concert DVD/blu ray someday?!! also a What’s New deluxe wit the Santa Barbara show DVD/blu ray?!!! one can hope and dream…
Mark H. says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 9:09 PM As I thought – the vinyl “revival” ruins things for us CD folks again. Sigh.
Patrick Hnidka says DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 10:23 PM Linda is deserving of a reissue/release campaign that includes deluxe versions of her albums. If you really think her fans will NOT pay for a 4-LP or 2-CD set of this, I think you underestimate us. I love Linda dearly, but I will not be buying this or any half-assed future releases unbefitting of the Queen of Rock.
Bill says DECEMBER 16, 2018 AT 10:24 PM Exactly.
wesmont says DECEMBER 19, 2018 AT 10:42 PM Agree Patrick. Who else is going to buy this CD but a Linda fan? And wouldn’t any Linda fan rather have the whole concert on a CD set for a few dollars more than this truncated release? I understand Boylan’s point but I still wish they’d rethink this, especially since this is the very first live album in Linda’s career, not the 21st.
Patrick Hnidka says DECEMBER 20, 2018 AT 2:15 PM Spot on wesmont! For her first official live album, you’d think they’d go all out! Combined with the fact there sadly won’t be any new music from Linda, it just leaves a bitter aftertaste.
Zubb says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 11:56 AM While I am disappointed that the entire concert is not presented here in this collection, I will be buying it anyway because something is better than nothing. I appreciate Mr. Boylan’s post above, particularly his explanation regarding the costs. But as a long time Linda Ronstadt fan, I would have been willing to pay more at retail for the complete concert on CD, perhaps a double disc set with other extra tracks. Since sadly we will not hear anymore new music from Linda, we fans are hungry for any of these unreleased treasures from the 70s queen of the pop charts. Hopefully they will find more of her unreleased music to give us in the not too distant future. We fans aren’t getting any younger
Clayton says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 5:13 PM Anytime her glorious voice is transported to us legitimately – I will buy it. Would we love that Offenbach, Germany 1976 show.? Indeed, but I’ll take what I can get. How wonderful to read Boylan’s words here. Do we dream of more rarities and in concert stuff? – of course (I’d like Linda @ the Palomino ’70 and Beacon Theater ’95 and live Canciones) Ronstadt, more than many others, deserves the finest preservation. Less hardcore fans will however find her live pipes here splendid. Still should include Party Girl
John Boylan says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 6:20 PM Completely agree! The 1976 Offenbach Concert was a phenomenal show. I wrote to the local station there, trying to get info on whether or not they had a professionally recorded master tape, but as of yet, no answer. I will keep trying – Jawohl!!!
Mark Donovan says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 9:41 PM Thank you John Boylan for your candor and insight – reissues and legacy releases are always tricky and it’s impossible to please everyone, as some of these comments prove. I have been a huge Linda fan since I was a teenager, and have seen her perform live about 40 times. I was fortunate to grow up in NY so I got to see her do rock, big band, opera, mariachi…all her wonderful styles. I am very glad to finally be able to get some professionally recorded live material from my favorite singer. Thanks for working on this and I’m very hopeful for the video.
David Olstein says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 10:53 PM Sorry, but I’m not buying this. Is there really someone anyone out there who’d say “I was really looking forward to buying this album, but then I found it it was the complete concert on 2CDs. I’m so disappointed the concert hasn’t been edited down to 1 disc.” No, I don’t think there is. So let’s not create these straw man arguments about how it’s impossible to please everyone. I suspect that the reason we aren’t getting the complete concert is simply because Linda doesn’t want the complete concert released.
Bill says DECEMBER 17, 2018 AT 11:00 PM I certainly agree with your first paragraph. But what with so many CD releases coming out in various versions for different prices, it would not have been too hard a decision to do this with her material. But i would not like to think that this puny release of a CD falls onto her shoulders. You could very well be right, but I would not want to believe it unless there was more proof to it.
Bob says DECEMBER 18, 2018 AT 10:45 AM In 2019 the fans are lucky to have anything new at all. Putting these things together cost money. For the record company it gives them something profitable enough that they get to stay in business. I for one think it was a brilliant idea to treat this as a virtual release how it would have been done if it came out at the time. It creates a playlist you might actually play more than once.
David Olstein says DECEMBER 18, 2018 AT 8:07 PM Bob – Do you work for Rhino? Just curious. And by the way, what makes you think this would have been a single LP release had it been issues in 1980? Double live albums were very common back then
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 21, 2018 11:38:01 GMT -5
Oh dear ..... a lot of quite bitter comments
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Post by rick on Dec 21, 2018 15:12:24 GMT -5
Fab— I only posted the comments since Boylan posted. There are something like 35 comments, which is the most I have ever seen. If I look at this from a glass half-full standpoint, what all of this says to me is that Linda matters to a lot of people, not just those of us here on the Forum. They want more, not less. But they care.
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Post by musedeva on Dec 21, 2018 16:20:57 GMT -5
Yeah....why bitterness.....we get what we get, we've got what we've got and its not a congressional vote to produce Linda!
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 22, 2018 3:20:18 GMT -5
yes Rick, thanks for updating us - I am not 100% happy with this selection but its better than nothing. Perhaps the comments show that people care and want the whole release - maybe it will happen digitally and most definitely needed on bluray or DVD. On another note, I have had the same silly shipping notice from Rhino - telling me the sticker and button are on the way. However more annoyingly they are recharging my debit card every week until release to ensure their funds are available ..... ridiculous business practice that presently has two debits totalling £70 sitting on my account. When I emailed them I received an automated reply to my query : I am being charge multiple times.For all orders, we place a hold on your credit card for the amount of the item or order to make sure that funds are available. These can look like multiple transactions, and most banks require that these holds be released every seven days, so each week until the release date of your item, we release this hold and place a new one. These are not charges as they are not deducted from your account balance - you will only be fully charged once your item ships. Please note that sometimes it make take an extra day for the hold to be released, so the holds may overlap.Please keep in mind your items might be shipped separately, so you may see split charges or authorizations, you are not being charged extra.You have not been charged multiple times.
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Post by Guest on Dec 26, 2018 16:21:50 GMT -5
Can't wait to blast quality live Linda. Wish they could find those Offenbach masters, Boylan speaks of. Amazon needs to remove the low quality bootlegs with the same title however. The more people that support these efforts(Ronstadt fans can be killjoys in their demands)the more they will release. Whatever, glad to have secured an order for the signed vinyl. Thanks.
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Post by erik on Dec 26, 2018 19:31:14 GMT -5
Quote by musedeva:
I'm in total agreement on this point, even though, like everyone else, I don't want Linda's legacy to slip down the rabbit hole after she's gone. I still intend to get that live album when it comes out.
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Post by TEXFAN 0 on Dec 26, 2018 22:20:54 GMT -5
Fab— I only posted the comments since Boylan posted. There are something like 35 comments, which is the most I have ever seen. If I look at this from a glass half-full standpoint, what all of this says to me is that Linda matters to a lot of people, not just those of us here on the Forum. They want more, not less. But they care. Rick, I don't follow a lot of threads on here, ummm, kind of like this one. I just post stuff that I think looks cool and get out. After that debacle known as facebook, I don't really hangout on any forums. But maybe that high quality vid I just posted from Rhino, is a teaser of a possible DVD? Just guessing? So maybe if sales are good enough on the CD, there will be a DVD?
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Post by rick on Dec 27, 2018 1:39:03 GMT -5
It's always possible that a DVD will be released... someday. Or a Blu-Ray, or...? For some people to post on "The Second Disc" wanting more are then viewed as some kind of heretics or bitter, whatever. What happened to free speech? If you thought that the comments on The Second Disc blog re: "Live in Hollywood" were a bit much, you people need to spend time on other places on the Internet. I am also a member of The Motown Forum. Just this past summer Universal released yet-another EXPANDED (With multiple bonus and live cuts) "The Supremes Sing Holland-Dozier-Holland." About 52 years after the album was released. The good people who oversee these releases -- Harry Weinger, George Solomon, et. al. -- do their best to make these two- and sometimes three-CD releases jam-packed going up to the edge of 80 minutes on each disc. They don't short-change the public. They have a love for this music and they actually post on The Motown Forum to say that it's a struggle, but, somehow they always come through and always prevail to get extensive product out to the fans. And, yet, people rip each other to shreds over on The Motown Forum. There are the Mary fans and the Diana fans and they go at it worse than cats and dogs. I don't take a back-seat to anyone on here as far as my loyalty to and love for Linda Ronstadt. I don't think it is "bitter" to want and expect that if Rhino/Warner is going to do this that they do it right. I seem to remember that here on the Forum -- and it wasn't a post from me -- that there were some on here who took issue with the title "The Complete Trio." They pointed out songs by Linda, Dolly and Emmylou that were left off of "The Complete Trio" thus making the title a misnomer. I didn't chime in on that. But that was their right to speak up. Believe me, I will get "Live in Hollywood." And then in four years or whenever when they try to double-dip by releasing "The Complete Live in Hollywood," I will buy that, too.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 27, 2018 2:42:05 GMT -5
Can't wait to blast quality live Linda. Wish they could find those Offenbach masters, Boylan speaks of. Amazon needs to remove the low quality bootlegs with the same title however. The more people that support these efforts(Ronstadt fans can be killjoys in their demands)the more they will release. Whatever, glad to have secured an order for the signed vinyl. Thanks.
One of her best concerts ever.Linda Ronstadt - Stadthalle, Offenbach, Germany 1976-11-16 (Rockpalast)
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Post by germancanadian on Dec 27, 2018 14:12:45 GMT -5
Quote by musedeva: I'm in total agreement on this point, even though, like everyone else, I don't want Linda's legacy to slip down the rabbit hole after she's gone. I still intend to get that live album when it comes out. I think Linda's long term legacy is secure. Younger people are still discovering her music just like with The Eagles and Led Zeppelin. She has over 1.3 million followers on Spotify, which is used by mainly young people so that's a very good sign. Her videos on Youtube get tons of views and comments. I was born the same year that Living in the USA came out and I became a fan. Found some nice copies of Simple Dreams and Greatest Hits when I looked through my parents' vinyl collection.
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Post by the Scribe on Jan 14, 2019 3:33:21 GMT -5
fairly good quality version
Linda Ronstadt - Silver Threads & Golden Needles
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Post by Richard W on Jan 14, 2019 10:37:17 GMT -5
I will not grouse about the exclusion of Party Girl.
I have made an attitude adjustment about that. We are getting our first studio-quality live record from Linda, something that we HAVE groused about not having for years.
If someone would have told me that an official live album was in the works a couple of years ago, I would have jumped with joy.
I'm jumping now.
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Post by Guest PA on Jan 14, 2019 15:55:35 GMT -5
Ideal live set for hardcore fans?? Of course not - but I agree jump for joy, buy it and continue to advocate for Ronstadt(out there wherever musical comments are welcome) - since her own promotion is limited). The girl had the greatest live pipes.
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Post by germancanadian on Jan 14, 2019 15:58:22 GMT -5
Hitsdailydouble.com doesn't even have Live in Hollywood listed in the upcoming releases section, what's up with that? So disrespectful that they're overlooking her.
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Post by linda2006nicci on Jan 16, 2019 10:10:49 GMT -5
I received Rhino sticker and Rhino button today, on January 16, 2019. I cannot wait for the signed LP! Attachment Deleted
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Post by Richard W on Jan 16, 2019 10:14:48 GMT -5
I received Rhino sticker and Rhino button today, on January 16, 2019. I cannot wait for the signed LP! View Attachment Me, too, but it confounds me as to why Rhino would bother with the expense of shipping these things separately.
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