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Post by Robert Morse on Dec 14, 2018 11:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 14, 2018 13:23:52 GMT -5
great - have preordered! can't wait
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Post by rick on Dec 14, 2018 13:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 14, 2018 14:06:21 GMT -5
Several comments about the missing tracks 🙄
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Post by rick on Dec 14, 2018 14:57:55 GMT -5
Several comments about the missing tracks 🙄 And I f’ing don’t blame them. Even Joe of The Second Disc, which basically promotes releases enthusiastically, agreed with the comments.
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Post by MokyWI on Dec 14, 2018 16:58:31 GMT -5
Just preordered as well. I cancelled my pre order for the CD. I figure I can stream it or listen to the vinyl.
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Post by Partridge on Dec 14, 2018 18:26:24 GMT -5
Rhino has created an official Linda Ronstadt website to promote this album: Linda Ronstadt
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Post by germancanadian on Dec 14, 2018 19:13:22 GMT -5
Glad I watched the whole HBO concert on Youtube a few months ago before it was removed. The whole audio of the show is still there -
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Post by rick on Dec 14, 2018 22:20:02 GMT -5
More people have chimed in with comments on The Second Disc post
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 15, 2018 0:14:16 GMT -5
I have a Yo-Yo Ma CD that is more than 80 minutes on one disc. It is possible. Personally, I think they could have made it fit on one disc. I think it has more to do with Linda not particularly caring for the “Mad Live” album. I agree with Erik’s assessment re: “Heatwave.” I remember being disappointed in the mid-‘90s when she took “Heatwave” off of her set list. This is a missed, bungled opportunity. So, don’t include all 20 songs — include 17. Twelve seems arbitrary and a cheat. When CDs were being developed in the 70s and early 80s, they were capable of holding 90 solid minutes of music, without running into any of the problems that 12" vinyl had, such as having to lowering the volume on bass so it made the needles skip. CDs used lasers to read the information on the compact discs, so if a disc ran 80-90 minutes, it could be done. The problem was many performers didn't want to record long songs or record an excessive amount of songs to fit onto one CD. Many country singers still recorded in the two to three minute range and released albums on CD that ran between twenty-five minutes and thirty-five minutes. And rock performers still adhered to releasing an album on CD that had an average run time of forty-five minutes to maybe fifty minutes. It was hard to break the mindset of musicians who were still working as though they were still recording for vinyl. Neil Young preferred vinyl over the compact disc, saying the vinyl was warmer in sound. When vinyl was being phased out and the price of the CDs increasing in price rapidly - the CDs went up higher in retail price than what the vinyl albums ever did, artists realized they could ask for more money than what they could with vinyl. But, very few discs ran longer than an hour. One of Michael Jackson's albums, think it was one of his greatest hits discs, had a run time of 82 minutes. Now, with instant downloads, album run times are probably a moot point.
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Post by rick on Dec 15, 2018 3:49:11 GMT -5
Slide, in 1988, I saw a Donna Summer CD at Tower Records that was a collection of some of her 12” disco/dance singles “The 12-Inch Collection.” There was even a sticker affixed to the front of the shrink wrap that said, “More than 78 minutes of music.” Look even at the Rarities Disc of “The Complete Trio Collection.” Warner/Rhino, John Boylan, Linda knew that / saw that a Disc could hold more than 12 tracks. A Disc like “Live in Hollywood” is meant for older people, in general, who, speaking for myself, prefer physical releases. I have downloaded music and even with a separate back-up external hard drive, have lost my paid-for downloads. With CDs, I have something tangible.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 15, 2018 4:32:46 GMT -5
Slide, in 1988, I saw a Donna Summer CD at Tower Records that was a collection of some of her 12” disco/dance singles “The 12-Inch Collection.” There was even a sticker affixed to the front of the shrink wrap that said, “More than 78 minutes of music.” Look even at the Rarities Disc of “The Complete Trio Collection.” Warner/Rhino, John Boylan, Linda knew that / saw that a Disc could hold more than 12 tracks. A Disc like “Live in Hollywood” is meant for older people, in general, who, speaking for myself, prefer physical releases. I have downloaded music and even with a separate back-up external hard drive, have lost my paid-for downloads. With CDs, I have something tangible. Ok. That's a real disaster. What brand external hard drive was it?
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Post by rick on Dec 15, 2018 6:17:06 GMT -5
Rob -- It was horrible. I have a friend who read books and taught himself how to build computers from scratch. He loves reading about this stuff. Anyway, he recommended a certain brand. I don't think it was Western Digital. Anyway, after the brand he recommended went kaput along with my files, I bought a super-strong external hard drive.
What do you have, Rob?
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Post by rick on Dec 15, 2018 6:20:26 GMT -5
Am re-posting one of the comments from The Second Disc's blog post re: "Live in Hollywood"
David Olstein says
DECEMBER 14, 2018 AT 9:12 PM
(banging head against wall) when … will.. artists … and … labels … learn … to … give … the … fans … what … they … want ….
This one goes on my “stream, don’t buy” list.
Seriously, this was a seemingly impossibly to screw up release — deluxe double CD plus Blu-Ray — and amazingly, they’ve managed to screw it up.
Methinks the problem is that Linda and the execs at Rhino probably haven’t had to buy an album in over 40 years and have completely lost touch with the ever dwindling record buying public,
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Post by Christine on Dec 15, 2018 9:24:28 GMT -5
While I agree that the whole concert would be great, I think we should all be thankful that the album is being released at all. Songs picked are still great and I for one will still enjoy listening, even if some songs are missing. Can't wait! It would be great if sales on this were good enough for a release of another concert - personally I think the Atlanta 1977 concert would be a great concert to release, or one of the concerts she did with Emmylou in the 90s. Let's be grateful for this!
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Post by Richard W on Dec 15, 2018 11:03:38 GMT -5
I ordered the signed, red vinyl even though I don't have a turntable. For $31, I couldn't resist.
Also ordered the CD.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 15, 2018 18:56:13 GMT -5
Rob -- It was horrible. I have a friend who read books and taught himself how to build computers from scratch. He loves reading about this stuff. Anyway, he recommended a certain brand. I don't think it was Western Digital. Anyway, after the brand he recommended went kaput along with my files, I bought a super-strong external hard drive. What do you have, Rob? I use a Seagate external drive that I purchased from Costco. After a computer I purchased from a local company that builds computers CRASHED (and kept me offline for at least a year or more) I learned my lesson. When I was able to buy a new computer (name brand) I also bought an external hard drive where I keep just about everything now. Until reading your note it didn't dawn on me that might go kaput as well. That is why I encourage as many people as possible to download all of the Ronstadt stuff they can. That way it will always be assured there are copies (newly downloaded all the time so they will last longer) around for a long time. I guess I should consider copying my current external drive onto another just in case. There is no telling what kind of disasters, natural or otherwise can happen. I am glad there is Fab and Ausfan and others off country downloading stuff too. It is a great insurance policy as long as they share with many others. Julian has also been a great asset buying rare unseen Ronstadt videos and posting them. It is all about Linda's legacy for me at least. Keep it alive.
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Post by linda2006nicci on Dec 15, 2018 22:22:59 GMT -5
I dispute the nominated date of this concert - Recorded on April 24, 1980 at Television Center Studios in Hollywood. This is what appears on the bootleg versions of this concert and cannot be substantiated. Firstly Linda was in the middle of a Mad Love Tour with dates that included: 20 April 1980 Saint Paul Civic Centre, Saint Paul, Minnesota 21 April 1980 Five Seasons Center, Cedar Rapids, Iowa 23 April 1980 Civic Auditorium, Omaha, Nebraska 24 April 1980 Kemper Arena, Kansas City, Missouri 26 April 1980 Lloyd Noble Centre, Norman, Oklahoma 27 April 1980 Tarrant County Convention Center Arena, Fort Worth, Texas 28 April 1980 The Summit, Houston Texas 29 April 1980 Riverside Centroplex, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 30 April 1980 Frank Erwin Special Events Center, University of Texas, Austin, Texas On the nominated date (24 April 1980) Linda performed a concert in Kemper Arena, Kansas City, Missouri (Photos exist of this concert). Therefore it is highly unlikely that Linda and her band would fly to Hollywood to perform a full concert in a TV studio then fly back to resume the concert tour. Secondly, Linda performed at the Forum, Inglewood, California from 4-8 May 1980. It is believed that the HBO Standing Room Only TV Special was taped in this venue on 5 May 1980 The HBO Standing Room Only TV Special was broadcast on 24 August 1980. Every now and then an ebay seller has 3 photos for sale that were taken at the taping of the special, that they claim was on 5 May 1980 You did a great job, ausfan 2!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:45:34 GMT -5
I have a VHS copy of the show somewhere, when someone very generously made a bunch of copies and sent them to people on an old Linda forum...
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Post by erik on Dec 15, 2018 22:49:08 GMT -5
I'm getting the CD for myself when it becomes available.
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Post by rick on Dec 16, 2018 6:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by rick on Dec 16, 2018 23:08:43 GMT -5
John Boylan weighed in with a comment on The Second Disc post re: “Live in Hollywood.”
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 16, 2018 23:58:01 GMT -5
John Boylan weighed in with a comment on The Second Disc post re: “Live in Hollywood.” John makes some valid points in rebuttal. However, some of the counterpoints I would make is the songwriting-publishing royalty of 9.1 cents per song, that's not money that's going to be due upfront. Linda not writing any is immaterial and irrelevant. It's income earned from the sales. And what would be the difference between paying the backing musicians for 12 songs versus 20 songs? Do they an anticipation of how many copies of the album would sell and paying the musicians for all the songs featured in the special would be a deal breaker? I've never heard of the Redbook standard when it comes to CDs and again, I never heard about music exceeding 80 minutes on CD causing any problems. Just the opposite. However, while I feel the Redbook standard is so much BS, quality should matter more than quantity. And I have bought CDs that wouldn't play because of the run time, but some of those CDs had run times that were less than 40 minutes. I only had one album on CD with a run time of 81 minutes that didn't play. Everything else over 80 minutes played. I would certainly hope Rhino isn't misleading John. They used to be a good label when Warners didn't have them and still wish they were an independent label.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 17, 2018 0:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 17, 2018 0:13:53 GMT -5
What John says makes sense. As Linda's old friend, manager, former bf etc. there is no one else who would go to bat for her like him. John is as down to Earth and fan friendly as Linda and possibly even more so. The only obvious argument might be that 3 of the songs included were recently released so why not include a few that weren't instead? Of course, one has to assume that the others have been purchased already but at least they are available for purchase.
Why not give the unreleased songs from that concert the same treatment and release them separate from the album available online? Then we could make our own complete concert.
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 17, 2018 12:57:42 GMT -5
I’m sure it will be a great release despite the “controversy” ..... as long as the product keeps coming I’m happy!
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 17, 2018 14:10:28 GMT -5
Rhino have posted Just One Look live from the album on YouTube here - very good quality !!! Let’s have the whole concert on Blu-ray please!!
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Post by germancanadian on Dec 17, 2018 16:26:38 GMT -5
Her 1977 show in Atlanta was also really good and would have been a fine choice for a live cd and dvd.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Dec 17, 2018 18:57:33 GMT -5
Hey Rich: Where did u pre-order the signed 💿 from? Thanks!! Eddiejinnj
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2018 0:07:44 GMT -5
Hey Rich: Where did u pre-order the signed 💿 from? Thanks!! Eddiejinnj I put a link to order the signed LP on the homepage at www.ronstadt-linda.com
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