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Post by michaelj on Jul 25, 2015 9:14:52 GMT -5
While doing some research on line, I found a Euro CD release called "Diamonds Of Woodstock" on which Linda (supposedly) performs a song called "She's A Lovely Lady". Does anybody know anything about this song? Attachments:
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Post by Goldie on Jul 25, 2015 9:18:12 GMT -5
Wonder if that is She's A Very Lovely Woman written by Emmitt Rhodes?
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Post by Goldie on Jul 25, 2015 9:28:57 GMT -5
It was released in 1971 as a follow-up "orphan" single to Long Long Time, produced by John Boylan and backed with The Long Way Around. Linda was never at the original Woodstock event so I am not sure if the two are somehow tied or even if it is the same thing. I could be totally wrong.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 25, 2015 12:42:03 GMT -5
I would wager it is and again, of course, there is a typo of some form in the entry. The album has Juice Newton "Angel of the Morning" which was done in the 80's. Not sure either why the name of the cd is as such. eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 25, 2015 23:15:33 GMT -5
I would wager it is and again, of course, there is a typo of some form in the entry. The album has Juice Newton "Angel of the Morning" which was done in the 80's. Not sure either why the name of the cd is as such. eddiejinnj I'm thinking the company that put this CD together probably was influenced by a set of CDs released by Time-Life, "The Woodstock Collection." That set actually had some artists who played at Woodstock but the majority of artists were artists who were from around that time, although there were some who were long after the fact. Goldie is on the right track as the song is "(She's A) Very Lovely Woman," just mistitled. That bootleg CD on another thread likewise has some wrong song titles, like listing "You're No Good" as "You Are No Good." The "Diamonds of Woodstock" is from 2007. It's kind of strange that it's only being noticed just now, eight years after the fact. |
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 26, 2015 7:40:14 GMT -5
yes, it is weird we just talking about it since we thought the Raven Records Hand Sown/Silk Purse release finally put the song out there in print and that came out just a few years ago (actually it says it is from 2009; man time flies). The product info on the Raven release says it includes a bonus track being the song we talking about and that it is the first time to come out in cd. hmmm eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 26, 2015 19:00:02 GMT -5
yes, it is weird we just talking about it since we thought the Raven Records Hand Sown/Silk Purse release finally put the song out there in print and that came out just a few years ago (actually it says it is from 2009; man time flies). The product info on the Raven release says it includes a bonus track being the song we talking about and that it is the first time to come out in cd. hmmm eddiejinnj Raven is an Australian label, so at the time they issued the Hand Sown, Home Grown/Silk Purse two-for-one CD, that company probably had no way of knowing another record company in Europe had issued (She's A) Very Lovely Woman as She's A Lovely Lady two years before. If limited to just Australia alone, the claim of first time on CD is a true statement, so there is no conflict. Even if the Australian company had known, it's still a true statement if the song had not been issued before on CD there. If a US label put out a Linda Ronstadt CD including the song, it could also claim to be the first time on CD. We as consumers today have worldwide access to recordings we didn't have access to when the recordings were released originally. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a rare Linda album on vinyl from the 70s or 80s somewhere in the world that includes Very Lovely Woman that we don't know about. Every country is different and there's no telling what one could find if one only digs deep enough. The holy grail of Linda recordings would be, I guess, finding something that has never been released anywhere else in the world or finding alternate mixes or longer versions. I don't know of any but again, it wouldn't surprise if there is something out there we don't know about at all. |
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Post by rick on Jul 26, 2015 19:14:31 GMT -5
When I saw Linda in Santa Monica during her promotion of her book, during the Q&A session someone asked Linda about the song. The man said that he thought it was a great song and that it should have been a big hit. Linda had then explained how she came to record "Long Long Time" and then said she had to disagree with the questioner. She said she never liked the song and could understand why it didn't do better sales-wise.
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Post by erik on Jul 26, 2015 19:22:52 GMT -5
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Well, she is self-critical in a way few other artists are, which is both a good thing and a bad thing in a lot of ways. I'm probably a bit more critical of her at times than some people are (maybe to the point of irritation in a few instances), but I do like "She's A Very Lovely Woman" a lot.
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Post by sliderocker on Jul 26, 2015 19:54:22 GMT -5
When I saw Linda in Santa Monica during her promotion of her book, during the Q&A session someone asked Linda about the song. The man said that he thought it was a great song and that it should have been a big hit. Linda had then explained how she came to record "Long Long Time" and then said she had to disagree with the questioner. She said she never liked the song and could understand why it didn't do better sales-wise. Linda being too self critical about her work notwithstanding, I know there are many performers and groups who likewise didn't like the songs they put out as singles that weren't hits. They look at the failure of a song to make a serious dent in the charts as a misjudgement on their part or their manager's part or the record company's part or whoever else had a say in what song was released as a single. With Linda, her negative attitude seemed to be more about her singing than the musicians playing on the song. But, if she disliked the overall performance and she's criticizing herself but not the producers, engineers and musicians who were part of her production, I'm not sure why she insists on taking more of the blame than finding fault with the ones who were helping her. She selected the songs but I never thought the problem was ever in Linda's vocals at all. I thought the production on some of her recordings were stiff but was that the producer or the engineer or both who made it that way? Likewise, on some of the songs, the musicians sounded so wooden in their playing. And the musicians bear some of the blame as does the producer and/or arranger for not conveying what was needed. Linda had this idea that she wasn't a good singer but she was totally wrong. She wasn't a good singer, she was a great singer and as I've always said, from the start. And she got better and better as a vocalist as she got older. She was better than some of the songs she chose to record and some could've been done better than what they were. Some should've been forgotten but Very Lovely Woman wasn't one that should've been forgotten. For its time (1971), it was a very good pop song and should've been a big hit. But, the early 70s were a weird time. It was a softer sound during that time which should've been a good time for Linda to make some inroads on the charts with good songs. But, it was like Linda was one of a handful of artists who couldn't get arrested when it came to releasing a 45 and getting it to the Top 40. It was puzzling, still is. |
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Post by rick on Oct 31, 2015 23:03:34 GMT -5
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Post by fabtastique on Nov 1, 2015 1:19:52 GMT -5
nice .... so maybe there's more coming on other releases featuring b-sides etc. I'd like good cleaned up versions of Rambler Gambler and Lago Azul to start with
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Post by memac62 on Nov 1, 2015 11:44:07 GMT -5
I wonder if this is why Long,Long Time was left off the Just One Look and remastered for iTunes Greatest Hits compilations.
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Post by erik on Nov 1, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5
Funny thing, when the Australian import label Raven re-released both Silk Purse and Hand Sown, Home Grown on a single CD in 2009, they managed to include "She's A Very Lovely Woman" as the final track--probably the first time that anybody outside of the immediate LR fan circle had had a chance to hear that one song since its short chart run in early 1971.
But given that Linda had recorded "She's A Very Lovely Woman" at Muscle Shoals in a very straightforward pop-rock fashion (along with, evidently, tons of other stuff, only one such track of which ever saw the light of day--"I Won't Be Hangin' Round" on Linda's self-titled 1972 album), and that nearly all of Silk Purse was recorded in Nashville and is in the main heavily C&W, it does feel like a weird addition to me.
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 1, 2015 12:56:14 GMT -5
I wonder if this is why Long,Long Time was left off the Just One Look and remastered for iTunes Greatest Hits compilations. I doubt it. The "Just One Look" cd was released by Rhino and the reissue of "Silk Purse" on vinyl will be reissued by Varese Vintage. I wouldn't have added "Lovely Woman" at all to "Silk Purse" as it wasn't recorded during the early 1970 Nashville sessions for "Silk Purse," but from a later session in 1970. I've always thought it possible "Lovely Woman" was intended for another possible album that could've been planned for release between "Silk Purse" and "Linda Ronstadt," but when "Lovely Woman" faltered in the charts, plans were redrawn and any possible album between SP and LR were scrapped. Please note I'm not saying there was another album intended, just that there could have been. Many artists have had albums planned that did not get released for one reason or another. The Bee Gees, Neil Diamond, Ringo Starr and Kenny Rogers all had albums that were rejected by their record companies as not being worthy enough for release. Elvis had an album planned for release in 1972 titled "Standing Room Only," that was scrapped by RCA so that his "Madison Square Garden" album could be released instead. RCA/BMG/Sony later used the SRO title for an Elvis release that made up the songs he recorded in 1972, along with some live recordings from that year. It's also possible"Lovely Woman" and some other 1970-71 recordings were intended for the "Linda Ronstadt" album, but again, when LW faltered in the charts, a decision was made to scrap those songs and replace them. That could've been the other studio songs or even the songs that were live recordings. Linda had recorded versions of "Love Has No Pride" and "Down So Low" in 1970, but those were never released. Could they have been among a group of songs intended for LR but scrapped and replaced when LW didn't do so well in the charts? |
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Post by erik on Nov 1, 2015 15:26:08 GMT -5
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Given that Linda did record in Muscle Shoals during the summer of 1970, it only seemed plausible to consider an album of material getting released early on in 1971, where it could have become a hit, as could the album, with its contemporary mix of C&W and R&B. The fact that only two tracks from those sessions ever saw the light of day seems to me to be testament to Capitol working what I believe to be in good faith, but not totally understanding exactly how off-the-chart eclectic Linda was even then.
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Post by Goldie on Nov 1, 2015 15:51:21 GMT -5
Funny you should mention it Erik, but "I Won't Be Hangin' Round" is one of my favorite Ronstadt songs and I've always been a fan of Very Lovely Woman (which supposedly has a sordid past). I would love to hear anything else that may have been left unreleased during those sessions.
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 1, 2015 17:07:17 GMT -5
Given that Linda did record in Muscle Shoals during the summer of 1970, it only seemed plausible to consider an album of material getting released early on in 1971, where it could have become a hit, as could the album, with its contemporary mix of C&W and R&B. The fact that only two tracks from those sessions ever saw the light of day seems to me to be testament to Capitol working what I believe to be in good faith, but not totally understanding exactly how off-the-chart eclectic Linda was even then. Given Linda's own dislike of "Very Lovely Woman," I've wondered if that song was forced on her by the powers-that-were at Capitol at the time? And maybe her feeling was that Muscle Shoals was as much an alien place to her to be recording as what Nashville was at the time. Would she have been more comfortable recording at Stax where people like Elvis, Neil Diamond, the Box Tops, BJ Thomas and Merilee had recorded with good results and hits? Stax had a very successful track record in the 60s but it seem like their winning streak did come to an end at the beginning of the 70s. |
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Post by Goldie on Nov 1, 2015 17:33:43 GMT -5
slide, Linda dislikes all of her music, not just Very Lovely Woman. She doesn't seem to be a good judge of her own music. Lord knows she sang Very Lovely Woman many times on tv during that time period and remarkably so. It is a quite unique Linda song and I like it for those differences. I Won't Be Hangin' Round is such a great song on so many levels and it actually took me a very long time to take to it and then kapow!
(1971) Produced by John Boylan. Written by Eric Kaz. Recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio. Linda - vocal; David Hood - bass; Barry Beckett - keyboards; Roger Hawkins - drums; Tippy Armstrong - guitar; Weldon Myrick - steel; Merry Clayton, Diane Davidson, Miss Ona - background vocals.
This was from my favorite album for many years until Feels Like Home was released. The words have haunted me since first listen and I often thought if that is how I would feel when I grew too old to help myself. I seem to be getting there.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 1, 2015 18:02:00 GMT -5
I think "I Won't Be Hanging 'Round is brilliant. I think Linda found her stride with that album on. Plus the live songs are on that album. Never knew that this song was recorded in the same session as Lovely Woman. "I been alone tooo long; sitting by myself. I'm getting tooo old to help myself. Love that line especially the word "help". eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 1, 2015 21:06:30 GMT -5
slide, Linda dislikes all of her music, not just Very Lovely Woman. She doesn't seem to be a good judge of her own music. Lord knows she sang Very Lovely Woman many times on tv during that time period and remarkably so. It is a quite unique Linda song and I like it for those differences. I Won't Be Hangin' Round is such a great song on so many levels and it actually took me a very long time to take to it and then kapow! (1971) Produced by John Boylan. Written by Eric Kaz. Recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio. Linda - vocal; David Hood - bass; Barry Beckett - keyboards; Roger Hawkins - drums; Tippy Armstrong - guitar; Weldon Myrick - steel; Merry Clayton, Diane Davidson, Miss Ona - background vocals. This was from my favorite album for many years until Feels Like Home was released. The words have haunted me since first listen and I often thought if that is how I would feel when I grew too old to help myself. I seem to be getting there. I'm very much aware Linda has never liked her singing on her recordings but I also recall at one of her speaking engagements to promote her book, someone brought up "Very Lovely Woman," and said some very nice things about it. But, I remember Linda saying she didn't like the song and seemed like she also said it shouldn't have been a single. We all disagree with Linda about her singing but she has rarely said anything bad about the songs themselves. It may be Linda didn't feel like "Very Lovely Woman" was the kind of song native to her musical soul. She did do a lot of promotion for the song but all of the television appearances didn't help push the single. I don't know about whatever concert appearances she did in the early 70s. Did she do the song during that time in any of the concerts she gave? |
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Post by Goldie on Nov 1, 2015 21:45:33 GMT -5
I think she may have promoted it during concerts back then. We found a lot of old set lists and posted them on the old forum by year in an attempt to piece things together for concerts and appearances which was pretty cool. Also posted in those threads were concert posters, tickets, tv guide excerpts, and reviews from people who visited here that actually attended a particular concert.
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Post by Goldie on Nov 1, 2015 21:48:59 GMT -5
It would sure be nice to know about that abandoned album if the other songs were this good. I think John Boylan should write a book about Linda and her music, stories about how the songs came about and what did and didn't work. He seems to be Linda's number one fan and friend.
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 1, 2015 22:10:50 GMT -5
It would sure be nice to know about that abandoned album if the other songs were this good. I think John Boylan should write a book about Linda and her music, stories about how the songs came about and what did and didn't work. He seems to be Linda's number one fan and friend. Aside from the two released songs ("Very Lovely Woman," "I Won't Be Hanging Around") and the two I mentioned (early versions of "Love Has No Pride" and "Down So Low"), the LR sessiongraphy that was up earlier that I now can't find listed a song with the title "Salt of the Earth" and another early version of James Taylor's "You Can Close Your Eyes." I remember Linda mentioning YCCYE on a syndicated music talk show in 1971, about wanting to do that song, which she eventually would record for "Heart Like a Wheel." But, until that list was posted, I never knew Linda had recorded an earlier version of the song. I want to say there were some Dylan songs including "I Shall Be Released" but my memory could be faulty here. I don't remember what year "Can It Be True" would've been recorded but it could've been another possible album track. I don't know that it would be a good idea for John Boylan to write a book on Linda, given he is especially close to her. She might view any such book as a betrayal of her friendship. Most artists aren't too keen on having friends or former lovers writing books about them. In John's case, I believe he was both a friend and a former lover and as much as Linda has zealously guarded her private life, I have to believe Boylan would never cross that line. |
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Post by Goldie on Nov 1, 2015 22:53:42 GMT -5
I think she would be fine with John writing a book about the music. He could fill in a lot of the blanks. I believe he did a radio show with Linda where they talked about some of her recordings. Even an audio book where the two of them chatted about all of the songs and stories would be great. ICON Presents: Linda Ronstadt with guest host John Boylan May 16, ICON Presents: "Linda Ronstadt's Greatest Hits Vol.1" Join host Roman Guzman with Special Guest host John Boylan as they talk to the one and only Linda Ronstadt! Linda Ronstadt is an American popular music singer. She has earned 11 Grammy Awards, three American Music Awards, two Academy of Country Music awards, an Emmy Award, an ALMA Award, and numerous United States and internationally certified gold, platinum and multiplatinum albums. She has also earned nominations for a Tony Award and a Golden Globe award. Ronstadt has collaborated with artists from a diverse spectrum of genres including Bette Midler, Billy Eckstine,[5] Frank Zappa, Rosemary Clooney, Flaco Jiménez, Philip Glass, Warren Zevon, Emmylou Harris, Gram Parsons, Dolly Parton, Neil Young, Johnny Cash, and Nelson Riddle. She has lent her voice to over 120 albums and has sold more than 100 million records, making her one of the world's best-selling artists of all time.[6][7] Christopher Loudon of Jazz Times noted in 2004, Ronstadt is "Blessed with arguably the most sterling set of pipes of her generation ... rarest of rarities – a chameleon who can blend into any background yet remain boldly distinctive ... It's an exceptional gift; one shared by few others."[8] In total, she has released over 30 studio albums and 15 compilation or greatest hits albums. Ronstadt charted 38 Billboard Hot 100 singles, with 21 reaching the top 40, 10 in the top 10, three at number 2, and "You're No Good" at number 1. This success did not translate to the UK, with only her single "Blue Bayou" reaching the UK Top 40.[9] Her duet with Aaron Neville, "Don't Know Much", peaked at number 2 in December 1989.[10] In addition, she has charted 36 albums, 10 top-10 albums and three number 1 albums on the Billboard Pop Album Chart. This interview is now available on Vimeo - Stitcher Radio www.stitcher.com/podcast/obijuan-productions/icon…ICON's website www.iconthepodcast.comAMFM Magazine www.amfm-magazine.com/linda-ronstadt-talks-about-h…/…I-Tunes itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/icon/id575671649?mt=2 |
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Post by Ben on Dec 7, 2015 23:14:14 GMT -5
nice .... so maybe there's more coming on other releases featuring b-sides etc. I'd like good cleaned up versions of Rambler Gambler and Lago Azul to start with You can find Rambler Gambler on a CD called 18 Country Ladies. |
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Post by 70smusicfan on Dec 8, 2015 9:31:33 GMT -5
from Ben - "You can find Rambler Gambler on a CD called 18 Country Ladies."
I got the album for this song. The entire CD starts out strong. Then, after ~2/3 of the way through (except for Linda), it seems that they ran out of material and the rest is pretty weak.
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Post by Ben on Dec 8, 2015 23:15:45 GMT -5
from Ben - "You can find Rambler Gambler on a CD called 18 Country Ladies." I got the album for this song. The entire CD starts out strong. Then, after ~2/3 of the way through (except for Linda), it seems that they ran out of material and the rest is pretty weak. I don't remember much about it. I just remember finding it at Big Lots one day for a good price, and, like you, I purchased it for Linda's song. Also, pertaining to the original purpose of this thread...I bought the new Silk Purse on vinyl, and the bonus track is missing. I read on another discussion board that Linda's management (?) nixed the bonus track at the last minute. A disappointment for me. |
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Post by fabtastique on Dec 8, 2015 23:59:26 GMT -5
How disappointing
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Post by counselorscottie on Feb 4, 2020 6:40:08 GMT -5
Hi everyone: Is there a recording of She's a Very Lovely Woman available for download online that isn't a direct rip from the 45? I know the Hand Sown CD had it as a bonus track at one point--but it's now out of print again. Thanks.
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