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Post by sliderocker on Nov 23, 2015 21:03:43 GMT -5
Linda's subconscious would never have intentionally wished the Parkinson's on her, but her mind, like the minds of everyone else, is very powerful and is capable of acting upon the things we say about ourselves or our world. And if Linda thought she couldn't sing or was a lousy singer, her mind could've found the means for making that statement a reality. I don't know that the Parkinsons is absolutely hereditary or more of a coincidence. Was it from her paternal grandmother's side or her maternal grandmother's side? And if it was because of genetics, how come Linda's older brother and late sister didn't have the disease? Bad luck of a draw, so to speak?
Parkinson's disease is on her mother's side.......her grandmother had Parkinson's. Linda's grandfather, Lloyd Groff Copeman, the famous inventor, was her husband. I remember listening to an interview with Linda two years ago where she mentioned that her grandfather spent a lot of money trying to find a cure for her grandmother, but he couldn't. I have Huntington's disease in my family.......on my dad's side. Huntington's and Parkinson's are similar, but unlike Parkinson's, Huntington's is totally genetic. If one parent has the gene for it, then each child has a 50 percent chance of inheriting it, which means my two brothers and I are at risk. Parkinson's can sometimes be genetic, but not always. In Linda's case, it could very well be. But just because her brothers and sister didn't have it, it doesn't mean that it's not genetic. It doesn't always work that way. Linda and I talked about it when I interviewed her last May. She is so down-to-earth and very empathetic, as I found out from her response when I told her about the illness in my family. She knew right away what it was when I told her, and she was very caring. Of course I care about her well-being too, as I know we all do. Thank you, cubscout. Most illuminating. I hadn't known about the disease affecting her grandmother on her mother's side, so something new is learned and thank you again. And,I'm very sorry to learn about your dad having Huntington's and hope you and your brothers can avoid the disease or that a cure is found. I believe that all diseases all curable, and I consider death to be a disease. The ultimate disease. It'll take a long time to find a cure for that one. Probably very far off into the future, but I still believe in the power of the mind to affect us in both positive and negative ways and believe we should be careful what we think, lest we get what we don't want. Btw, I'm very jealous that you got to meet her and talk one on one...no, I'm not, not really. I'd like to meet her one day as well and have the chance to talk with her. I don't believe anything is impossible but from my own personal experience, I do believe the impossible takes a little longer. Longer than it needs to be. (ggrrrr...)
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Post by JasonKlose on Nov 23, 2015 23:05:19 GMT -5
Thank you, cubscout. Most illuminating. I hadn't known about the disease affecting her grandmother on her mother's side, so something new is learned and thank you again. And,I'm very sorry to learn about your dad having Huntington's and hope you and your brothers can avoid the disease or that a cure is found. I believe that all diseases all curable, and I consider death to be a disease. The ultimate disease. It'll take a long time to find a cure for that one. Probably very far off into the future, but I still believe in the power of the mind to affect us in both positive and negative ways and believe we should be careful what we think, lest we get what we don't want. Btw, I'm very jealous that you got to meet her and talk one on one...no, I'm not, not really. I'd like to meet her one day as well and have the chance to talk with her. I don't believe anything is impossible but from my own personal experience, I do believe the impossible takes a little longer. Longer than it needs to be. (ggrrrr...)
Thank you, sliderocker. I'm glad I was able to clear that up for you. And thank you for your kind and caring words. I hope too that my brothers and I are spared from this disease. I also pray for Linda, and my dear friend Linda here on the forum who has early onset Parkinson's. I feel very lucky that I had the opportunity to speak with Linda Ronstadt. I interviewed her over the phone only, so I didn't get to meet her. I saw her in Wilmington, Delaware last May when she made an appearance there.......took my mom too. It's where I also got to meet my friend Linda for the first time. So it was a very wonderful and memorable day. I still believe that I'll have the chance to meet Linda one day, and I hope the same for you. Yes, some things do seem impossible sometimes, but I'm a firm believer that things happen for a reason and that you really can achieve anything if you believe in it enough and set your mind to it.
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Post by JasonKlose on Nov 23, 2015 23:20:51 GMT -5
Guys and Gals- Like Linda, I also have Early onset Parkinson's. In no way shape or form did I "will" this upon myself. My Dad had Parkinson's. It is the luck of the draw. It happens. Linda positively has the most realistic view of this disease. I admire her for it. She knows, shit happens. She isn't taking this laying down (literally), she is very versed in all aspects of research. Trust me, she is doing as well as she can with this challenge of hers. She is the toughest little SOB I have ever known. I agree with you 100% Linda. And just like you said about your Parkinson's, my grandmother didn't "will" the disease upon herself, nor did my dad, nor are my brothers or myself now. Things happen. In this case, there is nothing we can do to stop this disease. Like I said, it's completely genetic.....it's in the DNA. The only thing that can stop it is if all three of us are spared from it. Then it will just stop, and it cannot skip a generation. And you're right, Linda is dealing with her illness extremely well. I have so much respect and admiration for her. She is an inspiration and a positive example for all of us to follow.
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Post by Goldie on Nov 24, 2015 1:55:26 GMT -5
You are missing the point I have made with mind over matter and choosing ones disease. Since your minds are made up and closed on the subject it makes no sense to pursue it where you are concerned as your involvement is quite emotional and understandably so but it doesn't change the facts about mind body connections with disease and health.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Nov 24, 2015 8:07:06 GMT -5
Did I miss something or when and where did cubscout say he met Linda? It sounds like this was recently. eddiejinnj
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Post by PoP80 on Nov 24, 2015 9:36:31 GMT -5
Another way of clarifying the differences between Huntington's and Parkinson's is that Huntington's is an autosomal dominant disorder. As you indicated, there is a 50% of inheriting the disease because only one defective gene (from either parent) is needed to develop the disorder. With Parkinson's, there may be a genetic component, but it could also be triggered by environmental factors or a combination of gene/environment interactions.
As far as the mind-body connection, the impact of emotions and stress on physical illness has long been debated. It stands to reason that these factors are intertwined and may play a role in cardiovascular diseases, autoimmune disorders, and other medical conditions. I'm a strong believer in this theory and the use of treatments that can effectively target this complex relationship.
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Post by linda on Nov 24, 2015 10:51:21 GMT -5
Another way of clarifying the differences between Huntington's and Parkinson's is that Huntington's is an autosomal dominant disorder. As you indicated, there is a 50% of inheriting the disease because only one defective gene (from either parent) is needed to develop the disorder. With Parkinson's, there may be a genetic component, but it could also be triggered by environmental factors or a combination of gene/environment interactions. As far as the mind-body connection, the impact of emotions and stress on physical illness has long been debated. It stands to reason that these factors are intertwined and may play a role in cardiovascular diseases, autoimmune disorders, and other medical conditions. I'm a strong believer in this theory and the use of treatments that can effectively target this complex relationship.
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Post by linda on Nov 24, 2015 10:57:30 GMT -5
I do also believe there is a connection between mind and body. The impact of stress and environmental factors are deadly. Without question. I do not believe that disease can be willed. Parkinson's is a combination of many factors and bad luck. You are spot on PoP80.
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Post by mused on Nov 24, 2015 23:52:54 GMT -5
YIKES!!! I feel guilty posting this thread!!! welll....I hear each and every ones VERY VALID and truth holding statement...each one has a place at the table...but yes,,,overall...we don't know her...and it is cruel to speculate on one's health...especially to try and lay blame
...lets just say....we humans...strive to understand...the horror and pain of life....so as to ease our own pains
I got very immersed in Dolores Cannon as of late...and she was espouting this mindset...and of course...its a mindset in most all metaphysical teachings....I believe the truth...and the soup of life...the stirring of the pot...is probably way more mixed and spiced from the whole at large than we would ever believe,.....i.e. that we all affect/effect each other
Peace and Healing to one and All...Thanksgiving back, to Know and To Call
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Post by sliderocker on Nov 26, 2015 13:00:36 GMT -5
YIKES!!! I feel guilty posting this thread!!! welll....I hear each and every ones VERY VALID and truth holding statement...each one has a place at the table...but yes,,,overall...we don't know her...and it is cruel to speculate on one's health...especially to try and lay blame ...lets just say....we humans...strive to understand...the horror and pain of life....so as to ease our own pains I got very immersed in Dolores Cannon as of late...and she was espouting this mindset...and of course...its a mindset in most all metaphysical teachings....I believe the truth...and the soup of life...the stirring of the pot...is probably way more mixed and spiced from the whole at large than we would ever believe,.....i.e. that we all affect/effect each other Peace and Healing to one and All...Thanksgiving back, to Know and To Call Don't feel guilty, mused. With regard to the speculation about one's health, in this case Linda's, I don't see it as cruelty on the part of anyone as much as I see it as a concern for someone we all care about. True, we don't know her personally but when it comes to something about anyone with a serious health issue, it tends to be an issue we don't want to talk about or want others talking about. We tend to be uncomfortable talking about it on the part of the person who is ill, as if that will somehow make the person's health worse or depress the person. So, we walk around on egg shells in the belief that will make the person better. But, that in and of itself is a form of using the power of our minds but it's not necessarily the power of positive thinking if the reason for such thought is they don't want to think about someone they care about being ill or suffering from an illness that will eventually end their life. But, to cure a disease, and again, I believe all diseases are curable, you've got to understand what may have caused it, whether it was an external cause, something in the air, a reaction to something on our planet that we don't know or recognize as a catalyst of illness, or even the power of our own minds. Recall that earlier, some mentioned believing Linda developed Parkinson's as a result of a tick bite. That would be a possibility, although Lyme disease is the disease often associated with tick bites. Still, there could be other illnesses like Parkinson's that one wouldn't associate with a tick bite. As for one's mind being an illness catalyst, science now says it's possible for a person to die from a broken heart, which isn't exactly true as it would be the person being so deeply depressed in the mind over a failed relationship that it affects their health by making it worse and they don't recover. Our words can convey power and action to the mind, and the mind finds a way to make it work. And if some lives can end because of a deep depression from a broken heart - which again is the mind putting into action the means for putting an end to that sorrow, then our minds are powerful things and we need to be careful with our words, not only about ourselves but about others.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:09:38 GMT -5
Linda's subconscious would never have intentionally wished the Parkinson's on her, but her mind, like the minds of everyone else, is very powerful and is capable of acting upon the things we say about ourselves or our world. And if Linda thought she couldn't sing or was a lousy singer, her mind could've found the means for making that statement a reality. I don't know that the Parkinsons is absolutely hereditary or more of a coincidence. Was it from her paternal grandmother's side or her maternal grandmother's side? And if it was because of genetics, how come Linda's older brother and late sister didn't have the disease? Bad luck of a draw, so to speak?
Parkinson's disease is on her mother's side.......her grandmother had Parkinson's. Linda's grandfather, Lloyd Groff Copeman, the famous inventor, was her husband. I remember listening to an interview with Linda two years ago where she mentioned that her grandfather spent a lot of money trying to find a cure for her grandmother, but he couldn't. I have Huntington's disease in my family.......on my dad's side. Huntington's and Parkinson's are similar, but unlike Parkinson's, Huntington's is totally genetic. If one parent has the gene for it, then each child has a 50 percent chance of inheriting it, which means my two brothers and I are at risk. Parkinson's can sometimes be genetic, but not always. In Linda's case, it could very well be. But just because her brothers and sister didn't have it, it doesn't mean that it's not genetic. It doesn't always work that way. Linda and I talked about it when I interviewed her last May. She is so down-to-earth and very empathetic, as I found out from her response when I told her about the illness in my family. She knew right away what it was when I told her, and she was very caring. Of course I care about her well-being too, as I know we all do. Both Woody Guthrie and his mother before him had Huntington's.
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