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Post by philly on Jul 24, 2015 11:16:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dianna on Jul 24, 2015 12:08:13 GMT -5
Ugh.. All I got was a whole bunch of arrogance and entitlement from Minaj. Is Minaj upset because she feels Swift got the nomination because she is a thin woman? If so.. has she ever heard of Beyonce?
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Post by jhar26 on Jul 24, 2015 12:38:12 GMT -5
All this is is lots of publicity from which both girls will benefit. Besides, who even cares about something as silly as an mtv video award?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 16:00:02 GMT -5
I continue to be surprised at all the commotion - both positive and negative generated by Ms. Swift. It is surprising that such a bland, generic performer generates such controversy. To me she is just.... there...
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Post by moe on Jul 24, 2015 16:14:49 GMT -5
All this is is lots of publicity from which both girls will benefit. Besides, who even cares about something as silly as an mtv video award? I have to agree with the above 1-who really cares 2-there's no such thing as bad publicity just ask Trump. My real reason for even weighing in on this: Is the "mad love" usage in the Salon article title intentional, accidental or Freudian? Perhaps some kind of veiled reference to the alpha and omega of girl singers? |
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Post by Sloan on Jul 24, 2015 16:23:52 GMT -5
What Taylor should do is move on from this incident and "Shake It Off."
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Post by philly on Jul 24, 2015 16:55:04 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Jul 24, 2015 17:07:32 GMT -5
Quote by robertaxel:
I guess I'm far less surprised by it, precisely because she is so bland and generic, and with an irritatingly Autotuned voice to boot. I hate to sound like our parents, grandparents, and such, but we've got kids who are brainwashed into the idea that you don't need to be really talented, you just need to look good. Taylor didn't create this culture (I think Madonna did, quite honestly), she just exploited it like so many others of this particular generation are doing. It unfortunately goes back to something Linda herself said in 2006, just before T-Swift came on the scene, when she had said, in reference to women, "You almost can't be successful now if you're not a babe."
And even though Ms. Swift has dropped Linda's name on at least two occasions in interviews, I doubt that her fans necessarily know who Linda really is--anymore than One Direction/One Republic fans know who the Beatles or Beach Boys were (1D/1R fans only go as far back as 'N Sync and the Backstreet Boys, which is depressing in and of itself [IMHO]), or Justin Bieber's fans with respect to Elvis. This is a culture that, to paraphrase the late Gore Vidal, really does live in the United States of Amnesia.
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Post by jhar26 on Jul 25, 2015 4:42:11 GMT -5
I still blame MTV for a lot of that. They changed the game in the mid-80's and music has never recovered from it. Plus the media, and that includes of course radio and television, is now completely owned by the system (the state and a few mega-corporations) which is why there is such a lack of diversity and the trend is towards the ever more empty headed and trivial. It's also why we had 'anti-establishment' figures like Dylan and Lennon having huge careers in the past whereas now you can't even say that you don't like Bush or your career will be over (see Dixie Chicks). But when you make a "valuable" contribution to the dumbing down process you will thrive.
Linda was right when she said that you almost can't be successful now if you're not a babe. That wouldn't have been much of a problem for Linda herself since she WAS a babe, but to be as successful now as she was back then she probably would be required to play the bimbo game, sing in a tiny bikini while hiphoppers are surrounding her around the pool rapping about her ass and how hot she is, and she would be required to keep her political opinions to herself. But less attractive women like, say, a Aretha Franklin, Janis Joplin or even Joni Mitchell would have no chance whatsoever. Not that I'm suggesting that Linda would ever even consider prostituting herself or her art to sell some records. You have to lack dignity and self-respect to play that game, and that is exactly what post-Madonna pop HAS lacked. Not that the situation on the mens side is much better. If you gave Justin Bieber a brain cell it would die of lonelyness.
But to be fair, although Taylor Swift is definitely "playing the game" she comes across as a pretty likeable person (at least to me).
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Post by Dianna on Jul 25, 2015 13:11:52 GMT -5
Linda was right when she said that you almost can't be successful now if you're not a babe. That wouldn't have been much of a problem for Linda herself since she WAS a babe, but to be as successful now as she was back then she probably would be required to play the bimbo game, sing in a tiny bikini while hiphoppers are surrounding her around the pool rapping about her ass and how hot she is, and she would be required to keep her political opinions to herself. But less attractive women like, say, a Aretha Franklin, Janis Joplin or even Joni Mitchell would have no chance whatsoever. Not that I'm suggesting that Linda would ever even consider prostituting herself or her art to sell some records. You have to lack dignity and self-respect to play that game, and that is exactly what post-Madonna pop HAS lacked. Not that the situation on the mens side is much better. If you gave Justin Bieber a brain cell it would die of lonelyness. Aretha, Janis and Joni..? but you never know.. since their work is already done.. I couldn't speculate but you're probably right. I don't know if Linda herself would cave to that kind of pressure.. she did try out "New Wave," which at the time was the current trend so she'd probably be curious.She'd probably be a huge country singer, leading the current crop of female .. the power houses. or a cross over like Swift but a really better singer. then say something about the right and get "Dixie Chicked" lol It's hard to speculate because Linda is so Liberal in politics yet conservative when it comes to her self respect..I don't think she'd be shaking her booty or enhancing her body parts a la Nicki Minaj |
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Post by erik on Jul 25, 2015 14:01:38 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
I think Linda is smart enough to have never caved in to pressure to go the bimbo route (snarky male chauvinist critics' comments aside); nor would she ever go into shaking her "booty" a la Nicki Minaj.
As to how huge she'd be in country music today--well, I'm on the fence about that. I feel that her approach is so incredibly "old-school" (not in a demeaning way, mind you, but in a very classic fashion) that she, like Emmylou, would fit into the Americana mode more than mainstream country. And in any case, even as far back as 2003, Linda herself said that she really didn't have a whole lot of use for what country music had become by the time, calling it "mall crawler music." I don't know that her opinion has changed in the years since--and of course her outspoken liberalism might not sit well with "Them Boys" in Nashville.
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Post by jhar26 on Jul 27, 2015 5:34:14 GMT -5
Linda was right when she said that you almost can't be successful now if you're not a babe. That wouldn't have been much of a problem for Linda herself since she WAS a babe, but to be as successful now as she was back then she probably would be required to play the bimbo game, sing in a tiny bikini while hiphoppers are surrounding her around the pool rapping about her ass and how hot she is, and she would be required to keep her political opinions to herself. But less attractive women like, say, a Aretha Franklin, Janis Joplin or even Joni Mitchell would have no chance whatsoever. Not that I'm suggesting that Linda would ever even consider prostituting herself or her art to sell some records. You have to lack dignity and self-respect to play that game, and that is exactly what post-Madonna pop HAS lacked. Not that the situation on the mens side is much better. If you gave Justin Bieber a brain cell it would die of lonelyness. but you never know.. since their work is already done.. I couldn't speculate but you're probably right. I don't know if Linda herself would cave to that kind of pressure.. she did try out "New Wave," which at the time was the current trend so she'd probably be curious.She'd probably be a huge country singer, leading the current crop of female .. the power houses. or a cross over like Swift but a really better singer. then say something about the right and get "Dixie Chicked" lol It's hard to speculate because Linda is so Liberal in politics yet conservative when it comes to her self respect..I don't think she'd be shaking her booty or enhancing her body parts a la Nicki Minaj Well, I exaggerated a bit to make my point. They were/are so good that they would have had a career, no matter what. But I don't think that they would have been as huge now as they were back then. I think they would have fallen into the category of 'critics darlings' - artists who are much respected by those in the know, but never get enough attention from radio or television to make it big. |
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Post by jhar26 on Jul 27, 2015 5:42:52 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna: I think Linda is smart enough to have never caved in to pressure to go the bimbo route (snarky male chauvinist critics' comments aside); nor would she ever go into shaking her "booty" a la Nicki Minaj. As to how huge she'd be in country music today--well, I'm on the fence about that. I feel that her approach is so incredibly "old-school" (not in a demeaning way, mind you, but in a very classic fashion) that she, like Emmylou, would fit into the Americana mode more than mainstream country. And in any case, even as far back as 2003, Linda herself said that she really didn't have a whole lot of use for what country music had become by the time, calling it "mall crawler music." I don't know that her opinion has changed in the years since--and of course her outspoken liberalism might not sit well with "Them Boys" in Nashville. The last thing I would expect from Linda is that she would be a sell-out. I'm not sure what she would have done today. Perhaps she would have fallen into the as you suggest Americana or Alt-country category. Or she could have entered a conservatory and try to make it in opera, like Anna Netrebko who she much admires. Or she could have become a traditional pop or jazz singer. Or even a mariachi singer. All these would have made her a lesser star in commercial terms, but I think that singing music she believes in is much more important to Linda than selling millions of records full of drivel. |
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Post by philly on Sept 13, 2015 10:04:03 GMT -5
Just happened on this Taylor Swift rehearsal from 2010. I find it listenable, even pleasant for the most part. According the the comments, her live performance didn't go so well, maybe due to nerves...
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2015 14:24:50 GMT -5
I think the reason Nikki Minaj and Katy Perry and others criticize Taylor Swift so much is because they are jealous of her success.
It reminds me of another country success over twenty years ago that had country music artists in a uproar. Billy Ray Cyrus had a tremendous success even though he had a mediocre gift. Mainstream Nashville performers were green with envy. Travis Tritt said that Cyrus was trying to turn country music into a butt-shaking contest. I found this an odd criticism from him as I had recently seen Tritt live. When asked for an opinion of Travis, I said he had a great voice, most of his songs were trite, and he spent a lot of time facing the back of the stage and shaking his ass. And not even a good ass it was. Larry Gatlin complained about the ridiculous song that Billy Ray was singing, but this is the man that recorded "Boogie and Beethoven," perhaps one of the worst country songs ever. At the time Tritt was the #2 country singer, next to Garth Brooks, and this Cyrus guy just blew him off the road.
In her heyday, Linda was always supportive of her contemporaries that won awards, Bonnie Raitt, Bette Midler, and others. If she was envious of their success, she had the good sense to keep her piehole shut.
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Post by Dianna on Sept 13, 2015 15:31:52 GMT -5
Billy Ray Cyrus had a tremendous success even though he had a mediocre gift. Mainstream Nashville performers were green with envy. You mean to tell me.. There was actual jealousy and resent from Mr. Achy Breaky's contemporaries? LOL |
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Post by erik on Sept 13, 2015 19:51:45 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna:
Oh yes, indeed! (LOL). On the other hand, though, neither Billy Ray (let alone his freaking daughter!) nor Travis Tritt would have gotten to where they are if the guy some derisively called "Garth Vader" hadn't broken down the doors at the beginning of the 1990s.
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Pity. We can thank the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for not reteaming the Aphrodite of Autotune with Stevie Nicks for the 2014 tribute to Linda, and putting Carrie Underwood there instead.
Quote by Tony:
I doubt that Linda was so envious of them, as they were not only her contemporaries but, oftentimes, her friends as well. If anything, they really seemed to love Linda's ability to do so many various styles so brilliantly (IMHO).
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2015 23:00:52 GMT -5
Just my opinion here, but by the time he quit selling so well, Billy Cyrus was putting out some solid albums. And even at his mediocre best, he was better than 75% of what was being played on country radio. Odd that Achy Breaky Heart, formerly known as Don't Tell My Heart, was vilified, but in the same era, Tim McGraw's dreadful Indian Outlaw didn't get slammed, and McGraw went on to true superstardom.
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Post by philly on Oct 21, 2015 1:06:09 GMT -5
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Post by Goldie on Oct 21, 2015 2:20:03 GMT -5
I believe I have read several times Linda say that jealousy of other female singers served no real purpose for her and that she was glad of all their successes. That may be why she has been respected and admired by so many during and after her time in the spotlight. The only negative comment I ever really heard from Linda was she once said she could sing circles around Diana Ross who was quite popular about the time of that quote (Motown 25 time period). I don't know what would have brought that comment on but it is in print somewhere.
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Post by erik on Oct 21, 2015 9:41:30 GMT -5
Quote by Philly:
Apparently not. Every time it looks like the Swiftboat's going the way of the "Titanic", it manages to stay upright.
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Post by philly on Dec 1, 2015 20:11:01 GMT -5
I wonder if Adele will have Taylor join her onstage as a surprise at some point? www.celebitchy.com/458991/why_has_taylor_swift_gone_dark_is_she_pissed_about_adele_or_is_it_something_else/Why has Taylor Swift ‘gone dark’? Is she pissed about Adele or is it something else?
November 30, 2015 By Kaiser If you’ve been paying attention to Taylor Swift over the past few years, you might have noticed that something weird has been happening with her lately, specifically in the past month. She’s gone dark. She’s barely posted anything to social media, she avoided the American Music Awards, she’s barely been getting pap’d and her high-profile friend-collecting has seemingly stopped. What’s going on with her? She’s in the midst of the last leg of her world tour, and she’s currently camped out in New Zealand and Australia. But some people (me) think that Tay-Tay is a little bit upset that Adele has come back and smashed every musical record out there. Like, people are really, really happy to see Adele again. And the comparisons are drawn and Tay-Tay doesn’t like that. So here are some weird things happening with Taylor in the past week: Taylor didn’t show up to the ARIAs. The ARIAs are an Aussie music awards show, and the Daily Mail claimed that she was scheduled to go last week, but canceled at the last minute. Allegedly, she was supposed to do a red-carpet interview with a famous Aussie blogger, but sources say Taylor “changed her mind at the last minute.”
Taylor shot a music video in New Zealand. And there’s a problem! Taylor filmed part of the music video on Bethells Beach near Auckland and the film crew brought too many vehicles to the beach. The beach has limits on how many vehicles can be used on the beach because the beach is home to endangered Dotterel nests. Taylor and her crew had permission to bring two vehicles on the beach, and they ended up bringing more than a dozen. Yikes.
Taylor’s birthday plans. Allegedly, Taylor will be spending a lot of money to fly out her squad and Calvin Harris for a huge birthday bash in Sydney. Her birthday is December 13. Will the squad come out for Tay-Tay?
After performing in Sydney last night, Taylor returned to New Zealand. The trip to Sydney is being described as a “whirlwind 48-hour trip” after which she went back to New Zealand for some reason. Maybe she still had work to do on that music video? So, what’s going on with Swifty? Is she simply trying to ease herself away from the limelight? Is she genuinely pissed off about Adele’s success? Is Taylor expecting Calvin Harris to propose for her 26th birthday? |
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Post by erik on Dec 1, 2015 21:53:43 GMT -5
If Taylor's behaving this way for reasons that have to do with Adele eviscerating her sales records, then it's a sure indication to me of someone who, instead of acting her age, is actually acting her shoe size.
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Post by Belle on Dec 7, 2015 10:08:07 GMT -5
Taylor Swift has 7 Grammy nominations today...
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Post by erik on Dec 7, 2015 10:41:08 GMT -5
Not too surprising. Prepare to see more of this...  or this.......  ...or maybe a little bit of both when the Grammys come in February. |
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