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Post by erik on Apr 22, 2015 20:56:31 GMT -5
Quote by jhar26:
The fact that these are just three guys isn't the problem; to me; it is the perception (if not outright fact) that they exert way too much influence on others, and the (in my opinion) unnecessary genuflection of Springsteen and Bono that all three are notorious for. You may not think it possible for three guys to have this kind of power, but what is true in politics is true in art, at least here in America.
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 22, 2015 21:10:57 GMT -5
But those are just three of them. Three votes of what I understand are 600. And if it was decided by public vote half of the names in there would have us rolling on the floor in laughter. Even so, the way Wenner runs his HOF is highly questionable. Like the Dave Clark Five episode with him preferring that a rap act would get in.. He may not like the Dave Clark Five - to be honest, for me they aren't HOF material either. But you can't ignore a vote just because you don't like the result. If he does that he should just say, "I'm the one who decides who gets in here and the rest of you guys can just fuck off." If nothing else than it would at least be honest. But still, the main reason why that HOF isn't a complete disaster is that the public doesn't have a vote. I know that I sound like a snob, but that's my honest opinion. Music is important to me and it's important to you and other posters here. That's why I value your opinion and the opinion of others here as much as that of any critic. But the public at large isn't like that. They think that Simon Cowell is the best thing ever. Can anyone with half a braincell trust such people to do a good job on putting a HOF together? The hall has about 600 members who vote on the artists but the number of people who nominate the artists is a considerably smaller number. Much smaller. Wenner essentially has a bloc of the nominating members who see things his way or who can be strong armed into voting what Wenner wants. The incident involving Wenner disqualifying the Dave Clark Five in favor of a rap act should've been an act which resulted in his resignation or being fired from the hall. Essentially, it looks like Wenner has the power and authority to overrule acts he doesn't like from getting in, even if they were nominated and received more than the 51% majority needed to make the cut. Btw, about the public not having a vote on who gets into the hall, you're quite wrong about that. The hall now allows the public to vote on acts being considered but the total number of votes (for the winner - singular) only counts as one vote under hall rules. So, if two million people voted for Linda when she was eligible (and I don't know how many people voted for her - think the public vote began the year before Linda's nomination), all it would've counted for was one vote. Linda would still have needed to have won a majority of 51% or more of the hall vote, which she did. Music is important to me but so is honesty. And with Jann Wenner and his ilk, honesty is a word they don't seem to understand except when it suits their agenda. And then they use honesty to bludgeon any artist they don't happen to like and dismiss the music as insignificant. Wenner and his bloc feel that you should only like the artists and music they like, but a funny thing happens when the public does do just that: Wenner and his bloc turn on those artists. What they don't like are artists who are popular with a large number of people, especially those that are an imagined threat to their favorites. It would be one thing if the Wenner crowd simply disliked an artist and shrugged it off as people having differing tastes. That would be honest. But, Wenner and his crowd have never been content to do that. They consider themselves kingmakers and people should heed what have they say about artists and their music rather than trusting their own ears. And that's dishonest and disingenuous.
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Post by erik on Apr 23, 2015 19:01:51 GMT -5
I would also strongly favor two all-girl bands getting inducted, and soon:
The Go-Go's The Bangles
I don't know if both should be inducted in the same year, but still they were two of the bands that made the 1980s at least bearable (IMHO).
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 24, 2015 21:36:41 GMT -5
I would also strongly favor two all-girl bands getting inducted, and soon: The Go-Go's The Bangles I don't know if both should be inducted in the same year, but still they were two of the bands that made the 1980s at least bearable (IMHO). The Go-Gos and the Bangles should both be in and both being inducted in the same year wouldn't be a bad idea. Both appeared about the same time, as far as having their first records released. And although both seemed to be competitors, Go-Gos guitarist and keyboardist Charlotte Caffey cowrote a song or two with some of the Bangles, so it may not have been an unfriendly competition. What I do wonder about here though is how the band members are getting along? Suzanna Hoffs, Debbie and Vicki Petersen are still working as the Bangles but bassist Michaele Steele bowed out of the group after the band regrouped. I can't remember if the split was amicable or if it was bitter, some old tensions reflaring. I don't know about the Go-Gos but thought I'd read somewhere that there was tensions between some of the group members. It'd be nice that if either band ever got a nod and inducted, the various band members could put aside any differences, at least for one night. Just like the Eagles did when they were inducted, although the frosty relations between some current and former members went back into the deep freeze after the induction.
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Post by erik on Apr 24, 2015 21:56:12 GMT -5
Quote by sliderocker:
With respect to the Go-Go's, I believe they had patched things up, since all of them were at last year's Hollywood Bowl Hall of Fame gala, which marks the official start of the concert season at the famous amphitheater. If there were tensions in either the Go-Go's or the Bangles, it wouldn't be too surprising, whatever the reasons.
With the Eagles, all of them got inducted; but three years later, the band (or rather Don Henley and Glenn Frey) fired Don Felder because they thought he was asking for too much money (money, as always, served as the destructive force in the band). They had Steuart Smith replacing Felder for a number of years, and on Long Road Out Of Eden; but on their recent tours, Bernie Leadon has sat in on some occasions, thus bringing back some of the feel of what they had when they were starting out. Randy Meisner, I think, is still on the outs with the guys--which in itself is kind of depressing (IMHO).
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Post by sliderocker on Apr 25, 2015 10:52:06 GMT -5
With respect to the Go-Go's, I believe they had patched things up, since all of them were at last year's Hollywood Bowl Hall of Fame gala, which marks the official start of the concert season at the famous amphitheater. If there were tensions in either the Go-Go's or the Bangles, it wouldn't be too surprising, whatever the reasons. With the Eagles, all of them got inducted; but three years later, the band (or rather Don Henley and Glenn Frey) fired Don Felder because they thought he was asking for too much money (money, as always, served as the destructive force in the band). They had Steuart Smith replacing Felder for a number of years, and on Long Road Out Of Eden; but on their recent tours, Bernie Leadon has sat in on some occasions, thus bringing back some of the feel of what they had when they were starting out. Randy Meisner, I think, is still on the outs with the guys--which in itself is kind of depressing (IMHO). I don't know about the exact tensions in the Go-Gos but with the Bangles, the initial tension was that their record company had deemed Susanna Hoffs the hitmaker in the group and news media was making Hoffs the main focus of the group. That caused some resentment directed at Hoffs from the others, since she didn't exactly shy away from the attention. All of the Bangles were singers and songwriters as well as musicians, which is a rarity with many bands. And all wanted their songs to be considered for the A-sides. Drummer Debbi Peterson had actually brought in "Walk Like An Egyptian," one of the few non-originals for the band, and had planned on being the sole lead vocalist for the song. The group's producer changed that idea around, having Susanna, Vicki and Michaele each take turns as the lead singer. That idea didn't go down very well and it was a bitter pill to swallow when the song made number one, especially when she was reduced to backing vocals and whistling. I also think that song had to be a first as I can think of no other song in rock history that made number one which featured three different lead singers each having a solo vocal in the same song. But, the record company always picking Susanna's songs for the A-sides caused the most tensions, which was predictable for a record company. They always want the person who sang the hit to sing the next one too, and it usually gets to a point where they view the other members of the band as their hitmaker's backing band rather than being equal members of the group. And that attitude has wrecked many groups. With the Eagles, I recall Don Felder had something to say in an interview about being kicked out of the group but I don't remember it as being about money on his part. If memory serves, I think the idea was (that he floated) for the group to shrink to a group of four, a four way split on the money being better than a five way split on new recordings. It may have been an idea brought about by their albums being sold exclusively by Wal Mart. Felder had become a much sought after session guitarist on other artists' recordings but still, getting kicked out of the Eagles stung him and may have caused him financial damage in other ways. I recall he did file a lawsuit but I don't remeber what the outcome was. Like a lot of stories, it gets reported initially but then is soon forgotten. With Randy Meisner, he had expressed interest in appearing in concerts with the Eagles, not as a full time member but as a guest at a few of the shows. Whatever issues he had with the other band members doesn't seem to exist anymore, at least on his part. He put out some feelers to see how the others felt but he heard nothing back from any of them, which while incredible, isn't surprising. With Randy and even Don, the rest of the members of the Eagles are following the path of John Fogerty in ignoring former members and/or badmouthing them. And that could be something that could come back to haunt them. Fogerty had kind of mellowed out over the years and he had expressed an interest in working with his old band mates from CCR again, but now the shoe is on the other foot as the two other CCR members don't want to work with Fogerty, saying the bridges are permanently burned. It shouldn't end that way, and that's a pity and a shame that it does.
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Post by Sloan on Apr 30, 2015 13:36:18 GMT -5
Sheryl Crow might be highly considered as well as Annie Lennox. Agreed about Benatar and Nicks should be in.
Future considerations: Kim Gordon with Sonic Youth (particulary now that we are hitting the grunge movement being around 25 years), or The B-52's who were just as influential and groundbreaking as fellow Athens, GA rockers REM.
Out of the box considerations: Wendy O Williams and The Plasmatics--(significant in the same way the Sex Pistols were--not in terms of sales or popularity but their impact culturally), Chaka Khan.
Should be but probably will not: The Carpenters (Karen Carpenter). Would get derided for the same reasons ABBA had when nominated and inducted. But her voice was so beautiful!
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Post by moon on Apr 30, 2015 17:21:17 GMT -5
Sheryl Crow might be highly considered as well as Annie Lennox. Agreed about Benatar and Nicks should be in. Future considerations: Kim Gordon with Sonic Youth (particulary now that we are hitting the grunge movement being around 25 years), or The B-52's who were just as influential and groundbreaking as fellow Athens, GA rockers REM. Out of the box considerations: Wendy O Williams and The Plasmatics--(significant in the same way the Sex Pistols were--not in terms of sales or popularity but their impact culturally), Chaka Khan. Should be but probably will not: The Carpenters (Karen Carpenter). Would get derided for the same reasons ABBA had when nominated and inducted. But her voice was so beautiful!
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Post by moon on Apr 30, 2015 17:23:05 GMT -5
Sure agree with the comment on Karen Carpenters voice. Beautiful voice trapped in schmaltzy music
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