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Post by lizawithab on Mar 24, 2015 1:13:32 GMT -5
I've read a few articles from the Western Wall era saying that Emmylou and Linda were supposed to record an Austin City Limits episode. Did this ever happen?
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Post by erik on Mar 24, 2015 8:38:56 GMT -5
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 24, 2015 9:30:22 GMT -5
I watched ACL a lot back then. If I had seen that article back then, I would've bought a used tv for the purpose of blowing it up when ACL was on! The producer was obviously angry but still, one doesn't resort to the kind of insults he was dishing at Linda. He should've been fired for his insensitivity as it was uncalled for. Linda may have had a huge ego but in the music business, what music performer or actor doesn't? Also, I recall hearing Linda was sensitive about her weight at the time and she may have recalled when Elvis was getting slammed in the 70s over his weight gain or when other musical performers like Ann Wilson from Heart got slammed because of gaining weight. I haven't watched ACL in ages and quite honestly, if this bozo is still with the show, it would be hard to watch the show even with the great musical artists the show does have on.
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Post by erik on Mar 24, 2015 9:35:54 GMT -5
I think she had every reason to be concerned with the way someone who was clearly struggling with her weight, not because of "letting herself go" but because of the treatments for the thyroid condition she had, would be perceived on TV. The remarks that Terry Lickona made were totally uncalled for; and if Linda had an ego, it may have been a reverse ego--not because she thought she was a star (because she never seemed to think of herself that way even in the late 1970s) but because she knew that the talk would be about her looks and not her music. All this speaks to the shallowness of what the entertainment industry had become even back in 1999 (IMHO).
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Post by eddiejinnj on Mar 24, 2015 9:55:58 GMT -5
so this was the fall of 99. I am assuming this since seasons started in the fall. now we have mini-seasons on some shows that start whenever. I am not getting the I don't want to be on tv anymore since there was tv promo for trio II and western wall that year. I have never seen Austin City Limits. is it a pbs show? I won't even comment on the man's comments re: linda. name calling even if the other party is quote "wrong" is not cool and sounds like grade school crap. eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 24, 2015 10:12:02 GMT -5
Austin City Limits is on PBS and in spite of the producer's childishness over Linda canceling out, it was and is one of the best musical programs PBS has to offer. Producer Terry Lickona should've handled Linda canceling out with professionalism and not what he displayed then. Maybe he considered getting Linda before she canceled out a real feather in his producer's cap but he was the one with an out of control ego when she canceled.
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Post by lizawithab on Mar 24, 2015 11:22:54 GMT -5
That's too bad.. I'm sure that would have been an awesome show! Poor Linda.. she will always be beautiful to me.. but I do understand that especially around the late 90's she was probably at her heaviest (I actually think she is smaller now), and she just probably didn't feel comfortable with what (stupid) people would say!
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Post by erik on Mar 24, 2015 13:28:13 GMT -5
Quote by lizawithab:
It would have been an awesome show if not for this nonsense (IMHO). But it just goes to show you how much the shallowness of the entertainment/tabloid world infected everything in the media, even on PBS.
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Post by Richard W on Mar 24, 2015 13:38:22 GMT -5
I have a sense that it was not only her Hatsimoto's-induced weight gain and fatigue (which I'm sure was even dramatic for her as it would have been for the unsuspecting and uninformed), but also Emmylou's cajoling her to tour and promote the album. As it was, Linda agreed to do a micro tour, but that's it.
We all know what a professional Linda was (is), and I can't think of another instance where she cancelled a concert for any reason. Perhaps someone else does, but even so Linda never developed a reputation for late starts or no-shows like, say, George Jones. You have to wonder what this jerk would have said about Jones if he lived up to his reputation as "No Show Jones" and cancelled.
Nonetheless, the decision could not have been easy on her, despite the impression the producer gives that it was a cosmetic whim, considering that Emmylou was affected, too.
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Post by linda on Mar 24, 2015 15:06:51 GMT -5
Ok. Who is this Ken Lieck and where do I find him. I think he needs a good ass kicking. Why in God's name did he say those things about Linda.
Sorry, but that really has my irish temper going.
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Post by linda on Mar 24, 2015 15:37:45 GMT -5
I have a sense that it was not only her Hatsimoto's-induced weight gain and fatigue (which I'm sure was even dramatic for her as it would have been for the unsuspecting and uninformed), but also Emmylou's cajoling her to tour and promote the album. As it was, Linda agreed to do a micro tour, but that's it. We all know what a professional Linda was (is), and I can't think of another instance where she cancelled a concert for any reason. Perhaps someone else does, but even so Linda never developed a reputation for late starts or no-shows like, say, George Jones. You have to wonder what this jerk would have said about Jones if he lived up to his reputation as "No Show Jones" and cancelled. Nonetheless, the decision could not have been easy on her, despite the impression the producer gives that it was a cosmetic whim, considering that Emmylou was affected, too. One consideration that a "micro tour " would have been that her kids were young. That would have been about 16 years ago. I don't know exactly how old her children are, but I think that in itself could have been a determining factor. A full on tour when you have little kids and you are a single parent with health issues that is trying to properly raise children is a hard task.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 24, 2015 15:44:19 GMT -5
I have a sense that it was not only her Hatsimoto's-induced weight gain and fatigue (which I'm sure was even dramatic for her as it would have been for the unsuspecting and uninformed), but also Emmylou's cajoling her to tour and promote the album. As it was, Linda agreed to do a micro tour, but that's it.
Linda may have felt her weight problem would've been a distraction from the music, and it likely would've been, especially for the unsuspecting and uninformed. When Elvis gained weight, no one really knew just how bad the extra weight made him look. If you bought the records - the singles with picture sleeves or the albums, you didn't really get a true picture. The tabloids plastered photos of a heavier Elvis on their pages and quite often, his negative concert reviews had more to do with his weight than with the actual shows. So, the weight was a distraction.
Like Linda, he had some genuine medical problems that made some of the drugs he was taking necessary. No one knew how heavy he looked until that last tv special he did but the tv special made him look heavier than he really was. By then, people were assuming his overweight problems were caused by the diet and the drugs, although his health was spiraling downward at a rapid rate by that point.
We all know what a professional Linda was (is), and I can't think of another instance where she cancelled a concert for any reason. Perhaps someone else does, but even so Linda never developed a reputation for late starts or no-shows like, say, George Jones. You have to wonder what this jerk would have said about Jones if he lived up to his reputation as "No Show Jones" and cancelled.
I can't think of any concerts she cancelled out on, unless there were concerts announced that were never finalized. I did know of a few concerts that were announced by the newspapers and radio stations like that. They were jumping the gun. Nothing had been agreed to, least of all by the performer. Someone talked out of turn about a possible concert.
The only concerts I can think of that Linda may have done that were unprofessional as an artist were the concerts where she did the big band songs at a rock festival (or whatever it was), and the concert in Texas where she performed the Mexican songs, and some at both concerts were likely expecting a regular rock concert. There should've been an advance warning ahead of those concerts they were not going to be rock and roll shows, so don't come expecting to hear one. That's not something you do to your fans. She may have felt the fans knew where she was at musically by that point but still, one suspects she would've let the fans know as no one would want the kind of surprises, shocks and disappointment some had because they were expecting something else.
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Post by Dianna on Mar 24, 2015 17:08:36 GMT -5
Do we know for sure why she backed out? Linda doesn't seem shallow enough to cancel out because she "didn't like the way she looked." Seems like this guy was hurling insults to humiliate her. He sounds like a jerk..
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 24, 2015 19:08:25 GMT -5
Do we know for sure why she backed out? Linda doesn't seem shallow enough to cancel out because she "didn't like the way she looked." Seems like this guy was hurling insults to humiliate her. He sounds like a jerk.. The article was one sided, from his perspective, so there's no way to know why Linda backed out. I couldn't see Linda being shallow at all but there could've been other reasons for her cancellation that the people at Austin City Limits didn't know about. If she had just fired her manager (which, who was it at that time?) as alleged in the article, who was representing her? Did they commit her to appearing with Emmylou on the show without bothering to ask her if she wanted to do the show? Or was there someone associated with the show whose name she recognized that she may have had trouble with in the past? Recall Linda mentioned in her book someone associated with the Johnny Cash Show who was trying to some unwanted funny business with her. What if that person was associated with the ACL shows and she didn't want an unwanted second round of funny business? Unlikely, I know, but certain people involved in production seem to gravitate to other like shows and that predator could've been involved in ACL.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Mar 24, 2015 19:51:51 GMT -5
I just knew the significant weight gain from 1997-98 was from illness and not from letting herself go. you could tell by her eyes that she was not feeling well but still put out a lot of superb albums despite the fact. eddiejinnj
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Post by moe on Mar 24, 2015 20:00:58 GMT -5
Do we know for sure why she backed out? Linda doesn't seem shallow enough to cancel out because she "didn't like the way she looked." Seems like this guy was hurling insults to humiliate her. He sounds like a jerk.. The article was one sided, from his perspective, so there's no way to know why Linda backed out. I couldn't see Linda being shallow at all but there could've been other reasons for her cancellation that the people at Austin City Limits didn't know about. If she had just fired her manager (which, who was it at that time?) as alleged in the article, who was representing her? Did they commit her to appearing with Emmylou on the show without bothering to ask her if she wanted to do the show? Or was there someone associated with the show whose name she recognized that she may have had trouble with in the past? Recall Linda mentioned in her book someone associated with the Johnny Cash Show who was trying to some unwanted funny business with her. What if that person was associated with the ACL shows and she didn't want an unwanted second round of funny business? Unlikely, I know, but certain people involved in production seem to gravitate to other like shows and that predator could've been involved in ACL. I thinks Slide is on the right track. About all that seemed to get Linda's "Irish up" as mentioned earlier was republicans and messing with what she saw as the integrity of the music (a-la Jerry Wexler, in which she refused to publish the work they did together because it didn't meet her standards.) So something like that could have been afoot. I can't believe that she was being divaish since not that long ago she (and Emmy) suffered from some divaish behavior from Dolly (for which she-Dolly has subsequently apologized) over "Trio II". The problem with ACL most likely was a personality conflict, as alluded to above, combined with feeling lousy combined with demands at home combined with "Hey, i'm essentially retired, I don't need this" that led to the cancellation. That is a lot of speculation based on very little-perhaps someone could shed some light-hopefully from Linda's or Emmy Lou's perspective.
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Post by Tony on Mar 24, 2015 22:58:39 GMT -5
Linda did a pretty extensive tour (for her) for Western Wall. She looked fine to me.
Who has seen the contract she violated by not appearing on Austin City Limits? Oh that's right, there wasn't one.
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Post by fabtastique on Mar 25, 2015 1:06:40 GMT -5
what a dreadful article
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Post by Richard W on Mar 25, 2015 8:29:27 GMT -5
What's ironic is that this arsehole slams Linda for backing out because of her alleged self-consciousness about her appearance, yet that's exactly where he chose to strike back at her.
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Post by sliderocker on Mar 25, 2015 9:45:21 GMT -5
Linda did a pretty extensive tour (for her) for Western Wall. She looked fine to me. Who has seen the contract she violated by not appearing on Austin City Limits? Oh that's right, there wasn't one. Actually, there would've been a contract if she knew she was going to be on the show. But, such contracts would've had loopholes allowing her or the show to cancel out if notice was given in advance of the appearance. If there was no contract, there was no commitment on Linda's part, which was what I meant by that maybe whoever was representing her didn't bother to ask her if she wanted to do the show. It would've been most unusual to agree to do a show based on a verbal commitment but if that was all they had, they had no contract and Linda would've been free to back out. But, I've got a feeling here that maybe Emmylou had agreed to do the show and they hoped for Linda to make an appearance as well since Linda and Emmylou were touring together. And maybe Linda had expressed an interest in appearing but then decided not to do it. As for Linda not wanting to do any tv, well, she did make appearances on other tv shows during that time and after, so I don't think it was that she didn't want to do anymore tv. She just backed out, plain and simple, and the Austin City Limits producer took the low road by making the very rude comments.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 10:51:04 GMT -5
I do remember several TV appearances around the time of the Western Wall tour.. I attended one of them near Rockefeller Plaza in NYC.... Also saw a great concert by Linda and Emmylou in PA... A great tour. The article is sub sophomoric...
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Post by Belle on Apr 25, 2015 2:29:12 GMT -5
Unbelievable that a prominent person (in Austin anyway) like Terry Lickona would voice that opinion of Linda. Even worse that The Austin Chronicle actually printed it.
Terry's last name should start with a D instead of an L...
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Post by DICK on Apr 26, 2015 6:53:17 GMT -5
That would be an affront to Dicks everywhere.
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