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Post by Dianna on Oct 10, 2014 13:21:36 GMT -5
LOL.. I thought Cher looked great in her gown. She could wear anything and look great, the fashionista she was/is.. that's part of her act. and still is. the fabulous costumes. I think Linda thought was most girls would have. If I'm gonna stand up there singing along side Cher. I'm gonna rock a designer gown.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2014 15:50:12 GMT -5
There was no way Cher could've outshined Linda on any clothing Linda chose to wear on her show but because she was standing next to Cher and singing with her, she may well have been game for wearing the designer gown. Wearing the popsicle orange gown was different for Linda. She looked stunning in it but I thought the best colors for her to wear would've been white, black, blue or red as those colors were a complement to her complexion and dark hair. Any other color not so much although that would've depended on the clothing and how she looked in it.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 10, 2014 16:12:38 GMT -5
There was no way Cher could've outshined Linda on any clothing Linda chose to wear on her show but because she was standing next to Cher and singing with her, she may well have been game for wearing the designer gown. Wearing the popsicle orange gown was different for Linda. She looked stunning in it but I thought the best colors for her to wear would've been white, black, blue or red as those colors were a complement to her complexion and dark hair. Any other color not so much although that would've depended on the clothing and how she looked in it. You're right. that wasn't the best color for Linda. more of an Ann Margret tone.. I didn't even notice. cher had on the wicked city woman red colored dress on which would have looked good on Linda too. Maybe it was a calculated move on Cher's part.." I'm not having that bitch upstage me put her in orange." ha ha |
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Post by Richard W on Oct 10, 2014 16:21:12 GMT -5
Leo Sayer in that video reminds me of an organ-grinder's monkey.
Despite (because of?) all that hair and Mackie, I still enjoy watching that Linda/Cher video. Cher definitely did not demur to her guest, at one point nearly clocking Linda with the microphone! Still, I loved hearing Linda's voice ride the melody on "Drift Away" and how her high harmony on the chorus.
Plus, if you listen carefully on "Rip It Up," you'll hear Linda's growl on the word "one" in "tonight I'm gonna be oooooone happy soul."
All in all, a fun, spirited duet, that both of them appear to really get into once they start ripping it up!
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2014 17:21:55 GMT -5
You're right. that wasn't the best color for Linda. more of an Ann Margret tone.. I didn't even notice. cher had on the wicked city woman red colored dress on which would have looked good on Linda too. Maybe it was a calculated move on Cher's part.." I'm not having that bitch upstage me put her in orange." ha ha Im not sure if it was calculated on Cher's part but it sure seemed that way. It was her show and as the star of the show, she definitely would not have wanted to have been upstaged by Linda, which wouldn't have been too hard to do. Dressing Linda in the orange gown and the wig of curls may have been a very calculated move to make Linda seem less pretty, less sexy, less hot. Linda was also much smaller in height compared to Cher and that gown and wig also gave her a doll like appearance. But, if Cher was trying to make Linda seem less attractive, she succeeded beautifully in failing to achieve her objective. |
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Post by POP80 on Oct 10, 2014 17:48:17 GMT -5
Comparing Sayer to a monkey is an insult to non-human primates. Cher knows she can't hold a candle to Linda vocally, so her fashion is basically all smoke and mirrors. Maybe she wins the hair award, though.
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2014 17:58:13 GMT -5
Leo Sayer in that video reminds me of an organ-grinder's monkey.
Poor Leo! Can't get no respect! I thought he looked a little like a leprachaun myself.
I was a little startled at first to see Linda being taller than Sayer but then saw that she was wearing high heeled shoes. That had me wondering how tall she really is. I've seen three different figures for her height, not that much of a difference - from 5'1" to 5'3" - I lean towards the 5'1" figure as if she hadn't had those high heeled shoes on, Sayer might have looked slightly taller by comparison. I think he claims to be 5'3", which take away Linda's high heels (which looked to be a couple of inches), would've put her right around 5'1."
Despite (because of?) all that hair and Mackie, I still enjoy watching that Linda/Cher video. Cher definitely did not demur to her guest, at one point nearly clocking Linda with the microphone! Still, I loved hearing Linda's voice ride the melody on "Drift Away" and how her high harmony on the chorus.
Plus, if you listen carefully on "Rip It Up," you'll hear Linda's growl on the word "one" in "tonight I'm gonna be oooooone happy soul."
All in all, a fun, spirited duet, that both of them appear to really get into once they start ripping it up!
It was fun to watch and listen to the two on "Rip It Up" as that worked out well for the two of them. But, I would still have preferred hearing Linda sing "Drift Away" solo, with no help from Cher. Even in high harmony, Linda's voice is nearly drowned out by Cher's deep, husky voice. And that's irritating as although Cher did not demur to her guest, Linda was a guest, would not have been back the next week and a lot of the air time on Cher's show featured her singing. If anything, Cher should've been harmonizing to Linda's lead on the song.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 10, 2014 18:07:24 GMT -5
do you really think that Cher thinks she can't hold a candle to Linda vocally? that is conjecture and everyone certainly entitled to their opinion. unless of course there is an exact quote of Cher's saying this. I would love to see that. imo and again this is my opinion that Cher feels well enough of herself and has enough confidence to feel competent in her domain. eddiejinnj
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Post by Richard W on Oct 10, 2014 18:09:13 GMT -5
Sayer had his time, I'll give him that. But his performance in this video is mortifying—and I'll give him that, too.
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Post by POP80 on Oct 10, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -5
do you really think that Cher thinks she can't hold a candle to Linda vocally? that is conjecture and everyone certainly entitled to their opinion. unless of course there is an exact quote of Cher's saying this. I would love to see that. imo and again this is my opinion that Cher feels well enough of herself and has enough confidence to feel competent in her domain. eddiejinnj
I've heard interviews in which Cher said that she doesn't like the sound of her voice, and I think she's aware of her vocal limitations. That doesn't detract from her talent as performer, but she's not a great singer in my opinion. I give her props for still going out on the road and maintaining her popularity for so many years.
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Post by POP80 on Oct 10, 2014 18:53:48 GMT -5
I was a little startled at first to see Linda being taller than Sayer but then saw that she was wearing high heeled shoes. That had me wondering how tall she really is. I've seen three different figures for her height, not that much of a difference - from 5'1" to 5'3" - I lean towards the 5'1" figure as if she hadn't had those high heeled shoes on, Sayer might have looked slightly taller by comparison. I think he claims to be 5'3", which take away Linda's high heels (which looked to be a couple of inches), would've put her right around 5'1."
As far as I know, Linda is 5'3" but she probably wished she was invisible during that duet. 
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2014 20:00:58 GMT -5
do you really think that Cher thinks she can't hold a candle to Linda vocally? that is conjecture and everyone certainly entitled to their opinion. unless of course there is an exact quote of Cher's saying this. I would love to see that. imo and again this is my opinion that Cher feels well enough of herself and has enough confidence to feel competent in her domain. eddiejinnj No, I don't think that at all but what I said was that "Drift Away" was not a good song choice for the two as where the two were singing together in the chorus, Cher's vocal almost drowns out Linda's vocal. Cher has always been a good singer but many entertainers who are very successful in show business are also known for having big egos and insecurities at the same time. They don't want to be upstaged by anyone, whether it's a new performer, a contemporary or even an older performer. Did that happen with Cher on Linda? I don't know but again with the fashion, Linda wearing an orange gown was different but orange wasn't a good color for her. The wig? Linda didn't need anything to make her more beautiful than she already was. It's certainly conjecture as to what, if anything, went on behind the scenes. Maybe something, maybe nothing but "Drift Away" was more suited for Linda as a solo than for Linda and Cher as a duo. As mentioned, they did a good job on "Rip It Up" - their voices blended well together. Their voices should've worked on "Drift Away" and it didn't but it seemed more like a Linda song than a Cher song or a Linda and Cher song. |
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Post by Dianna on Oct 10, 2014 20:28:53 GMT -5
I like Cher's voice.. kind of reminds me of how Elvis would sound if he were a woman. lol.. that said.she ain't got nothin on Linda.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 10, 2014 21:06:27 GMT -5
I did a random google search and found this.. here is the link cher.yuku.com/topic/13958/Famous-Cher-Feuds#.VDiOx_ldW70Some more: Raquel Welch and Linda Ronstadt on Cher in '75- Raquel had a sh*t fit and blamed Cher when her solo of ''Feel Like Making Love''- a hit by Roberta Flack at the time- was not aired when she appeared on the first episode of the series, after the special had aired, so the second episode. Cher assured Welch that she had nothing to do with the song not being aired, CBS didn't like that Raquel ''touched herself'' while singing, andf they wouldn't air it. Welch felt Cher should have made sure it aired and a budding friendship ended. "She's strange, but I liked Raquel, but she is strange'' Cher said at the time. Ronstadt kvecthed about a wig she was asked/told to wear while filming Cher. Cher was ready to get the filming overwith and said "Linda, put on the fukcing wig" and Ronstadt did just that. Not a feud at all, but funny, to me. They had good chemistry in the duets, still on youtube. (the Ronstadt anecdote is from a 1975 issue of Rolling Stone. |
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 10, 2014 22:24:09 GMT -5
I like Cher's voice.. kind of reminds me of how Elvis would sound if he were a woman. lol.. that said.she ain't got nothin on Linda.
Cher...Elvis as a woman? Funny! Not quite so funny: Phil Spector produced a single on Cher in 1964, a Beatles tribute which I think was titled "I Love Ringo." I've never heard the record but it was said Sonny was very angry about the record as by the time Phil was done with the song, Cher ended up sounding like a man in love with Ringo. Given what our country was like back then, the record tanked. Sonny always believed Spector intentionally messed up Cher's voice even though the song was meant as a novelty and it wasn't even released under her real name or stage name
Some more:
Raquel Welch and Linda Ronstadt on Cher in '75- Raquel had a sh*t fit and blamed Cher when her solo of ''Feel Like Making Love''- a hit by Roberta Flack at the time- was not aired when she appeared on the first episode of the series, after the special had aired, so the second episode.
Cher assured Welch that she had nothing to do with the song not being aired, CBS didn't like that Raquel ''touched herself'' while singing, andf they wouldn't air it. Welch felt Cher should have made sure it aired and a budding friendship ended. "She's strange, but I liked Raquel, but she is strange'' Cher said at the time.
Hadn't heard this story before but if Raquel "touched" herself while singing "Feel Like Making Love," I could see CBS going ballistic if the "touching" of a body part was over the line and dropping her performance if it was difficult to edit. Cher didn't produce her own show or specials but even so, she wouldn't been in the position of telling CBS to take it or leave it. CBS would've left it if given an ultimatum. The networks were very afraid of pushing the envelope in the 70s, less something offend the family values and the act drew the attention and wrath of the FCC. Recall the network (ABC, I think) that drew the wrath of the FCC over Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction", which led to a huge fine. And that was in more recent times. A similar offense in the 70s likely could've shut down the network and the tv stations that aired something inappropriate.
Ronstadt kvecthed about a wig she was asked/told to wear while filming Cher. Cher was ready to get the filming overwith and said "Linda, put on the fukcing wig" and Ronstadt did just that. Not a feud at all, but funny, to me. They had good chemistry in the duets, still on youtube. (the Ronstadt anecdote is from a 1975 issue of Rolling Stone.
Not a feud but it does sound like Linda didn't want to wear that wig. I do have to wonder if Peter Asher or some assistant manager was on the set with Linda to deal with situations like that? I know Andrew Gold was with Linda as when she "performed" "When Will I Be Loved," he could be seen in the background "playing" guitar, the only member of Linda's band who was there. He wasn't a manager but he may have been there in some capacity as a substitute manager.
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Post by erik on Oct 10, 2014 23:13:46 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna re. Cher:
Perhaps back then in 1975, you could say that Cher sounded a little bit like a female Elvis (though vocally Linda's about as close to Elvis in terms of vocal power and focus that anyone female singer is likely to ever come [IMHO]). I don't think you could make the case today, though. Not when "Believe" went through the electronic digital (dare I say Autotune?) wringer...and that was in 1999 (just as a footnote, "Believe" was Cher's first #1 hit since "Dark Lady'--which hit that position in March 1974 [YIPE!!]).
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Post by Belle on Oct 11, 2014 2:59:48 GMT -5
I did a random google search and found this.. here is the link cher.yuku.com/topic/13958/Famous-Cher-Feuds#.VDiOx_ldW70 Ronstadt kvecthed about a wig she was asked/told to wear while filming Cher. Cher was ready to get the filming overwith and said "Linda, put on the fukcing wig" and Ronstadt did just that. Not a feud at all, but funny, to me. They had good chemistry in the duets, still on youtube. (the Ronstadt anecdote is from a 1975 issue of Rolling Stone. Ah-ha! I knew that hair was all wrong for Linda, not flattering at all to her face or small frame. Her natural hair should have been in a nice "up-do" to go with such a formal dress. She would have looked really beautiful instead. Clearly Linda had the same reservation. Maybe it was "strategic" on Cher's part... I cracked-up at the David Bowie story on that same Cher thread. "It was a medley" LoL. |
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Post by simpledream on Oct 11, 2014 3:51:46 GMT -5
all I can say is that Leo Sayer is no Mick Jagger ... bordering on panto ... awkward.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 11, 2014 12:12:17 GMT -5
Quote by Dianna re. Cher: Perhaps back then in 1975, you could say that Cher sounded a little bit like a female Elvis (though vocally Linda's about as close to Elvis in terms of vocal power and focus that anyone female singer is likely to ever come [IMHO]). I don't think you could make the case today, though. Not when "Believe" went through the electronic digital (dare I say Autotune?) wringer...and that was in 1999 (just as a footnote, "Believe" was Cher's first #1 hit since "Dark Lady'--which hit that position in March 1974 [YIPE!!]). Actually Erik.. I mean later on, like now. Cher;s voice is real deep.Elvis' voice, with a few years got deeper too . listen to walking in memphis byy cher. they even have the same vibrato. I don't think in terms of sound Elvis and Linda have a similar voice. They are both GREAT singers, don't get me wrong. Cher and Elvis were/are also flamboyant.. their styles are similar too. |
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Post by Goldie on Oct 11, 2014 16:09:44 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong but Linda's prowess as a vocalist blows Elvis away. He doesn't come close even though his popularity blows everyone else away, mostly as a product of his times and less competition. Same as Sinatra before him who also didn't have the greatest voice but lots of style and not much competition compared to todays artists.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 11, 2014 17:20:05 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong but Linda's prowess as a vocalist blows Elvis away. He doesn't come close even though his popularity blows everyone else away, mostly as a product of his times and less competition. Same as Sinatra before him who also didn't have the greatest voice but lots of style and not much competition compared to todays artists. I agree. The only voice on this planet that as ever lured me to it.. was Linda's..I was 12 yrs old shopping at the may company, the electronics dept had rock me on the water by Linda Playing. I dropped what I was doing to find out who's voice that was. I'm not kidding..never heard anything so beautiful in my life and never had again. not like that |
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Post by philly on Oct 11, 2014 19:25:50 GMT -5
I did a random google search and found this.. here is the link cher.yuku.com/topic/13958/Famous-Cher-Feuds#.VDiOx_ldW70Some more: Raquel Welch and Linda Ronstadt on Cher in '75- Raquel had a sh*t fit and blamed Cher when her solo of ''Feel Like Making Love''- a hit by Roberta Flack at the time- was not aired when she appeared on the first episode of the series, after the special had aired, so the second episode. Cher assured Welch that she had nothing to do with the song not being aired, CBS didn't like that Raquel ''touched herself'' while singing, andf they wouldn't air it. Welch felt Cher should have made sure it aired and a budding friendship ended. "She's strange, but I liked Raquel, but she is strange'' Cher said at the time. Ronstadt kvecthed about a wig she was asked/told to wear while filming Cher. Cher was ready to get the filming overwith and said "Linda, put on the fukcing wig" and Ronstadt did just that. Not a feud at all, but funny, to me. They had good chemistry in the duets, still on youtube. (the Ronstadt anecdote is from a 1975 issue of Rolling Stone. Funny stuff, I just remember the complaints about Tina Turner not having her own solo on the Cher show. I wonder if CBS had the same issues as with Raquel. |
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 12, 2014 10:01:22 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong but Linda's prowess as a vocalist blows Elvis away. He doesn't come close even though his popularity blows everyone else away, mostly as a product of his times and less competition. Same as Sinatra before him who also didn't have the greatest voice but lots of style and not much competition compared to todays artists. Linda has quite a vocal range, more than Elvis but he also had a vocal range that was better than most male singers. His popularity blows everyone else away, but it's crazy to think that it was because he was a product of his times and had less competition. Elvis was active as an artist in three different decades, not just in one and he had competition in all of those decades. There was more competition than you think but he was the one who received the most attention at the beginning, and had quite a bit of competition from artists in the 60s and even in the 70s. In the 50s, he had to deal not only with other rockers but pop and country crooners and R&B artists who were also making inroads. Many of the pop and country crooners hated and were jealous of Elvis because he was so successful. Their record sales did not match his at all. They also hated all rock in general but Elvis was the lightning rod, the one who was causing a decline in their popularity, which translated into fans and money. He also took the brunt of critics who also hated rock and roll during that time. It was tougher for him in the 60s not only because of the Beatles and the British Invasion artists and American artists, but he still did remarkably well, all things considered and the soundtrack albums not withstanding. And he was still doing well in the 70s and had he lived, he would still have had competition for every year he was active as a recording artist. It was never because he was a product of the times that he was so successful. Maybe at first on that issue but not because he had less competition. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 12, 2014 11:37:53 GMT -5
Whatever. Give me Linda in cut-offs over any woman in a gown anyday. Does anyone know if this was recorded? From the clips on the TV Station it sounded as if LINDA had her sense of humor in high gear. She also looks lovely.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 12, 2014 11:44:36 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong but Linda's prowess as a vocalist blows Elvis away. He doesn't come close even though his popularity blows everyone else away, mostly as a product of his times and less competition. Same as Sinatra before him who also didn't have the greatest voice but lots of style and not much competition compared to todays artists. Linda has quite a vocal range, more than Elvis but he also had a vocal range that was better than most male singers. His popularity blows everyone else away, but it's crazy to think that it was because he was a product of his times and had less competition. Elvis was active as an artist in three different decades, not just in one and he had competition in all of those decades. There was more competition than you think but he was the one who received the most attention at the beginning, and had quite a bit of competition from artists in the 60s and even in the 70s. In the 50s, he had to deal not only with other rockers but pop and country crooners and R&B artists who were also making inroads. Many of the pop and country crooners hated and were jealous of Elvis because he was so successful. Their record sales did not match his at all. They also hated all rock in general but Elvis was the lightning rod, the one who was causing a decline in their popularity, which translated into fans and money. He also took the brunt of critics who also hated rock and roll during that time. It was tougher for him in the 60s not only because of the Beatles and the British Invasion artists and American artists, but he still did remarkably well, all things considered and the soundtrack albums not withstanding. And he was still doing well in the 70s and had he lived, he would still have had competition for every year he was active as a recording artist. It was never because he was a product of the times that he was so successful. Maybe at first on that issue but not because he had less competition. yes and that was a very important time in music history. Elvis was the voice of rock and roll. Now that I think about it.. there never really was anyone quite like him. I'm sure today if he were an up and coming artist. he would be just as influential and change music. I don't think someone like that or even Linda in todays world would be happy singing karaoke and working a 9-5. |
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Post by sliderocker on Oct 12, 2014 12:56:44 GMT -5
yes and that was a very important time in music history. Elvis was the voice of rock and roll. Now that I think about it.. there never really was anyone quite like him. I'm sure today if he were an up and coming artist. he would be just as influential and change music. I don't think someone like that or even Linda in todays world would be happy singing karaoke and working a 9-5. Elvis was an influence on Linda and there were few parallels between the two of them when it came to music. Both were considered rock singers but Linda said rock never defined her and Elvis, while he never distanced himself from rock at any time, said he sang all kinds of music and didn't want to be thought of as just a rock singer. Both covered a variety of the same musical genres, from rock to country to blues to gospel (although not so much on Linda's part) to pop and both had a strong preference for ballads. They also shared interest in one other musical genre: Mexican music, although Elvis never recorded an album of all Mexican music. Might have been interesting to have seen what he could've come up with if he had. And it's amazing that when Linda was on Capitol and wanting to be a country singer that Capitol never insisted on her doing a gospel album. Almost all of the country artists who were signed to Capitol recorded gospel albums. I think it was a requirement on Capitol's part although Linda never recorded a whole album of gospel but that was no great loss. Both were the first most successful male and female solo singers to exceed 100 million records sold worldwide in a very short time. It's a pity the two never recorded together as musically, they were kindred spirits. If both were just getting their start today, I don't think the successes they had in their time would've been at the same level of intensity, not the way the musical business is run today. Not that it matters as I don't see another Linda or Elvis (or Beatles for that matter) ever coming along. Those days are gone. |
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Post by Dianna on Oct 12, 2014 13:39:58 GMT -5
Slide.. wasn't Elvis' favorite female singer, Anne Murray? Although Linda had a string of hit records in the mid 70's..When he died, Linda was on the verge of Super stardom. She wasn't really a household name until after his death.. until then, ONJ held that title. and Linda was a powerhouse, I;m shocked their paths didn't cross or he never mentioned Linda .. . She got lots of respect from Johnny Cash, George Jones and Merle, it seemed logical Elvis would too. They both sang different genres and sang it well.. Elvis was more of a showman.. but Linda is like a walking encyclopedia when it comes to music.. other than some musical style and powerful voice I don't see a connection..
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Post by erik on Oct 12, 2014 13:53:01 GMT -5
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I don't think it would have been too bad an idea for the two of them to have done it; and yes, it is one of the great pop music "what-ifs" that they didn't. I also don't think you'd have had much trouble convincing Peter Asher or John Boylan of the possibility, though Linda's nerves would have been slightly jangly at the thought. The problem, though, would have been at The King's end of the deal, that problem of course being The Colonel.
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Post by Dianna on Oct 12, 2014 14:29:37 GMT -5
Had he lived long enough.. I bet Elvis would have loved Blue Bayou..That song and the album Simple Dreams made Linda a superstar. He would have noticed.
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Post by charlotte on Oct 12, 2014 15:07:48 GMT -5
Elvis' daughter, Lisa Marie, has cited Linda Ronstadt as a major influence and a vocalist that she listened to constantly from the time she was a little girl. So the connection is there. Mom, Priscilla, also once said to People she was listening to the new Ronstadt record. I think it was Living In the USA.
I have nothing against ONJ, Anne Murray or singers like Karen Carpenter but they are not vocalists or musicians in the same league with Linda. Their song selections and arrangements ,were for me ,almost always dreadful and in my college years they were shlocky and square - nobody bought those kind of records - but I guess somebody did. Linda much cooler,influential and vocally powerful - an album artist - well apart from just top 40. It kind of surprises me when they are mentioned in the same breath as Ronstadt. To each his own.
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