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Post by moon on Sept 24, 2014 17:22:30 GMT -5
So , where is the live Linda Ronstadt recording by perhaps Peter Asher? ??
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 24, 2014 18:19:33 GMT -5
Wouldn't be up to Peter Asher to release any concert recording on Linda that may exist, but up to the record companies she was signed to at the time a concert was recorded. And up to Linda.
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Post by travis222 on Sept 24, 2014 21:15:11 GMT -5
Linda is one of very few artists who sound better live than on record. You have to think that after more than 40 years, there is a goldmine of live recordings, enough to put out an awesome live DOUBLE CD. Whoever is in charge of such things should get his act together and make this happen!
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Post by ausfan2 on Sept 24, 2014 21:45:43 GMT -5
Linda Ronstadt – Star Spangled GirlLabel: Ruthless Rhymes, Ltd. – LR 1000 Format: 2 × Vinyl, LP, Unofficial Release Country: US Released: 1978 Tracklist A1 Lose Again A2 That'll Be The Day A3 Blue Bayou A4 Silver Threads And Golden Needles A5 Willin' A6 Faithless Love B1 It Doesn't Matter Anymore B2 When Will I Be Loved B3 Crazy B4 Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me B5 Desperado B6 Love Me Tender C! Simple Man, Simple Dream C2 Love Is A Rose C3 Someone To Lay Down Beside Me C4 Band Introductions C5 Tumbling Dice C6 You're No Good D1 Heart Like A Wheel D2 Heatwave D3 Sorrow Lives Here D4 Star Spangled Banner * (*The National Anthem is from her appearance at the 14 October 1977 World Series Game) In the dialogue during the 29 September 1977 concert at the Universal Amphitheatre Linda acknowledges that the concert was being recorded. Therefore the big unanswered question is why was the recording issued as a bootleg LP in lieu of an official release?
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Post by erik on Sept 24, 2014 22:01:01 GMT -5
If I would have anything remotely negative to say about Linda, it would be that I feel that it was a mistake for Linda not to do a legitimate full-on live album in her career. She was clearly a wonderful live performer, even if she never saw herself that way. It's what I have often said about her in a live context; no matter how shy, nervous, or timid she seemed, she was always transcendent, and she put all of herself into it. And that's what great performers do, what great performances are all about (IMHO).
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Post by rick on Sept 25, 2014 1:57:12 GMT -5
If I would have anything remotely negative to say about Linda, it would be that I feel that it was a mistake for Linda not to do a legitimate full-on live album in her career. She was clearly a wonderful live performer, even if she never saw herself that way. It's what I have often said about her in a live context; no matter how shy, nervous, or timid she seemed, she was always transcendent, and she put all of herself into it. And that's what great performers do, what great performances are all about (IMHO). Erik, it's all hindsight now. Who knows? Perhaps Peter Asher was the one who advised against releasing a live album. IMHO, I would have loved a live album released every, say, four to six years during Linda's career. But I am a huge fan. I agree with Slide that although he may have managed Linda, Peter Asher doesn't own the material, and, therefore, can't release it. I was actually watching an episode of "Antiques Roadshow" tonight and a painting was being appraised. The expert said that the artist was such a harsh critic of himself that he would literally paint something and then destroy the canvas. It actually made me think of Linda in how self-critical she can be. Thank God, let's hope that master recordings exist for much of this material that yes to see the light of day. As for the "subject" line for this thread, here is The Second Disc blog's take on that live Whitney release -- (Does this really belong in the other category, or at least with a different subject? This seems to be -- yet again -- a thread about Linda've live material and whether/when it will be released, not about Whitney Houston, per se.) The Second Disc blog article on Whitney Houston "Live"
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Post by erik on Sept 25, 2014 9:04:49 GMT -5
Quote by Rick:
With respect to the live album thing, yes, I totally agree that Linda can be extremely self-critical; and I suppose that if I were in her position, I would be too. And it may be that people expect more in a live album than a studio album--"more" being, I would presume, more flash, attitude, smoke bombs, etc. The Eagles, however, really didn't have much of any of those things, and their live album of 1980 (the last we'd see of them for thirteen years) sold quite well. But I agree, it's all hindsight now.
As for this particular thread, when I first saw it in the Linda Ronstadt section but with a Whitney Houston title, I was the one who moved it initially to the General Music Discussion; then when the discussion shifted to being about speculation of a Linda live album, I moved it back to the Linda Ronstadt section. I think we all need to be a touch more careful in both how we title the threads we post and where we post them, so as to avoid confusion.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 25, 2014 9:32:08 GMT -5
If I would have anything remotely negative to say about Linda, it would be that I feel that it was a mistake for Linda not to do a legitimate full-on live album in her career. She was clearly a wonderful live performer, even if she never saw herself that way. It's what I have often said about her in a live context; no matter how shy, nervous, or timid she seemed, she was always transcendent, and she put all of herself into it. And that's what great performers do, what great performances are all about (IMHO). It could've been something didn't go right during the recording of Linda's concert which resulted in a live album being nixed. It's also possible that when Linda said the concert was being recorded, it could've meant her concert was being filmed rather than being recorded on audio tape. But, as to something not going right while recording a concert, I have heard other artists mention that as a reason a live album was not released. I know of one live album that was recorded on another act where they forgot to record the lead vocals! Got everything else but for whatever reason, the vocals were missed. Even so, a lot of what you hear on a live album isn't a true 100% reproduction of the concert. Because mistakes can happen, the mistakes often can be "repaired" in the recording studio. Mistakes can be made up of missed vocals, instruments out of tune, the vocalist(s) singing out of tune, audience interaction. Anything which messes up the original recording. I can't imagine there being that many "repairs" but if that happened, the plan may have been to fix them but for whatever reason, the idea was dropped and they moved on to other things.
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Post by rick on Sept 25, 2014 12:56:21 GMT -5
If I would have anything remotely negative to say about Linda, it would be that I feel that it was a mistake for Linda not to do a legitimate full-on live album in her career. She was clearly a wonderful live performer, even if she never saw herself that way. It's what I have often said about her in a live context; no matter how shy, nervous, or timid she seemed, she was always transcendent, and she put all of herself into it. And that's what great performers do, what great performances are all about (IMHO). It could've been something didn't go right during the recording of Linda's concert which resulted in a live album being nixed. It's also possible that when Linda said the concert was being recorded, it could've meant her concert was being filmed rather than being recorded on audio tape. But, as to something not going right while recording a concert, I have heard other artists mention that as a reason a live album was not released. I know of one live album that was recorded on another act where they forgot to record the lead vocals! Got everything else but for whatever reason, the vocals were missed. Even so, a lot of what you hear on a live album isn't a true 100% reproduction of the concert. Because mistakes can happen, the mistakes often can be "repaired" in the recording studio. Mistakes can be made up of missed vocals, instruments out of tune, the vocalist(s) singing out of tune, audience interaction. Anything which messes up the original recording. I can't imagine there being that many "repairs" but if that happened, the plan may have been to fix them but for whatever reason, the idea was dropped and they moved on to other things. It seems to me that John Boylan is "managing" Linda, if that is the proper term. I think Linda trusts him as they go way back. Re: Live recordings. Judy Garland died in 1969 and recordings of her in concert are being released more than 40 years later. Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, etc. -- they've been gone from us for more than a decade now and still previously unreleased live recordings get released. Diana Ross left The Supremes in January 1970 and live recordings by the Diana/Mary/Florence and Diana/Mary/Cindy configurations still turn up and get released all these years later. It would be nice as Linda is not able to record anymore if she were to go through the material that exists and if she were to have control over what was released. I remember an interview in which she said that she was the one who decided the order in which the songs would flow on the "Duets" album. With both "Duets" AND the Starbucks Opus Collection charting decently, I would hope that Linda and John Boylan would see that she still has fans out here who would purchase these authorized releases.
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Post by notsosure on Sept 25, 2014 13:41:22 GMT -5
I am not so sure that Linda is the best judge of her own music. She is way too self-critical and dismisses songs that fans love. I think she and John would do better at least once letting the fans somehow decide. As far as a live recording it would have to be one where the sound system was up to par and that would leave out many of the larger venues (like stadiums). I wonder if Robert Kimmel has a stash of quality recordings of Linda from McCabe's Guitar Shop? Then there is the concert footage from the movie FM when Linda was at her height of popularity. You know they had to have had to pull out all of the stops with sound equipment and footage to film for a movie. Plus she looked spectacular!
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 25, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -5
It seems to me that John Boylan is "managing" Linda, if that is the proper term. I think Linda trusts him as they go way back.
There were news stories which indicated John Boylan was Linda's manager. I think he has been her manager (again) for quite some time, although there's never been any mention as to when he took back over the reins from Peter Asher or if someone else represented Linda between Asher and Boylan. I recall when Linda made her "announcement" that she was retired, that came as news to Boylan. That had me wondering if Boylan was managing Linda on a full time basis or a part time, as needed basis? As Linda hadn't been active for quite some time because she was "retired" but more because of her health issues, I couldn't really see the need for her having a full time manager or paying Boylan a commission for full time representation if there wasn't a lot of new income coming in.
Re: Live recordings. Judy Garland died in 1969 and recordings of her in concert are being released more than 40 years later. Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, etc. -- they've been gone from us for more than a decade now and still previously unreleased live recordings get released. Diana Ross left The Supremes in January 1970 and live recordings by the Diana/Mary/Florence and Diana/Mary/Cindy configurations still turn up and get released all these years later.
It's been the same with Elvis. Almost all of the "new" material that's been released on Elvis has been in the form of concert recordings. Unreleased studio recordings are practically nonexistent, although when RCA acquired the rights to Elvis's back catalog of some 700+ songs, when they added up the released studio recordings in the 80s, there were around 145 songs unaccounted for and RCA had no information on. The 1973 buyout only covered songs Elvis recorded for RCA between 1956 and March 31, 1973 (date of the buyout); it did not include the Sun material, the '68 tv special material, concert recordings and anything recorded after March 31. They found a few things and released them - some were backing tracks only, which was odd as it was said Elvis recorded his vocals at the same time the band was laying down the backing tracks. RCA was remarkably shoddy in their bookkeeping, when it not only came to what Elvis recorded but where those recordings were archived afterwards. It's now claimed everything has been released that can be released although given what they have released, that still leaves over 100 unaccounted for songs from 1956 to 1973.
It would be nice as Linda is not able to record anymore if she were to go through the material that exists and if she were to have control over what was released. I remember an interview in which she said that she was the one who decided the order in which the songs would flow on the "Duets" album. With both "Duets" AND the Starbucks Opus Collection charting decently, I would hope that Linda and John Boylan would see that she still has fans out here who would purchase these authorized releases.
With regard to any unreleased Linda recordings, there may be a few finished studio recordings but think many remaining studio recordings could exist only in the form of backing tracks. I'm not hopeful about the chances for unreleased finished studio recordings. On a couple of other artists I follow and am familiar with what they recorded and what's left, there's more unfinished recordings (backing tracks) than finished recordings. There may be a few concerts they can release but I'd hate to see a plethora of concert albums released with many of them having the same set of songs. I think that can be damaging to an artist's overall work, but at the same time, if it's all the record label has left, and there's a big demand for product, we may see more of that on Linda in years to come.
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Post by moon on Sept 25, 2014 19:50:17 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input,comments on the topic!!!!
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