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Post by the Scribe on Jun 23, 2019 6:48:05 GMT -5
So basically she was talking about HERSELF going to a show that features a right wing Christian or a Republican and NOT her own show that might have a Republican or right wing Christian in HER audience where she is performing for them? I think "right wing" (conservative) is the key term here. It used to be there were both liberal and conservative Republicans but that is no longer the case and I suppose the same is true of Christians which is still the case. Very interesting.
That makes more sense. And the fact that the conservative casino manager made such a deal about her dedication to Moore to the extent he lied about what happened is unforgivable but predictable. Lies of omission are common. Linda didn't have nice things to say about Vegas and gambling so she was already uncomfortable to go there in the first place. One can go back online and look at those Christian and Republican Forums and those people are so unhinged about everything during that time leading up to the election. I recall their noise machine radio talk was calling her every name in the book. I even called in and wrote some "riot act" letters to those people myself. Linda said her own family was politically divided with her mom being a Republican and she adored her parents. Some of us can relate.
Thanks for clearing that up Tony. It puts a different light on things.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 23, 2019 7:58:48 GMT -5
First of all there is a difference looking through the internet between evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians. Second it was said that this "group" can be this and that. That does not mean that quote all of people of that faith are like that or they really aren't following the religion so in a way she is disliking a group where the fringe or people who call themselves as such are clouding people's perceptions. People are using religion to justify terrorism (are they truly a member/part of that religion?). So Linda would not like to go see Reba McIntire? Linda said during the Jerry Brown years that music and politics are separate to paraphrase. Music is escape, cathartic and stimulates our brains in positive ways as Linda discussed before Congress (I do think Music education is very important). When speaking of sensitive matters, I, imo, think it is important to not misspeak if possible. In this case, it just confused the situation more and as far as finding out the political and religious affiliation of a fellow concert goer never happened to me. All these quotes just continue prejudice. What would people think if Vegans didn't go to a performer's concert if he/she eats meat at times (just a random example picked off the top of my head). We all make decisions hopefully based on a number of factors but even in the Vegan case you can opt out of the meat-eating performer concert but imo an internal one. To some degree, this all gets so nit-picky. Then we had the statement that there are no other kinds of Republican than right-wing (using conservative to describe just that group is wrong). I am a conservative person but I am FAR from right-wing. Linda is very conservative about many things. I believe in personal responsibility. So Republicans are all right-wing but other parties have members of all spectrums? Come on. Blanket statements can be misleading and dangerous. People, the world is getting smaller and if we can't handle individual differences now it is only going to get worse. I think it normal that Linda had parents of different political affiliations. First of all, it promotes individual thought and also that people can have differences and live and learn together. Let's all be KIND to one another!!!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by brit on Jun 28, 2019 12:13:06 GMT -5
On the subject of catholicism I have many catholic friends whom I consider to be Vatican victims.If Linda thinks catholicism is Christianity no wonder she is disillusioned with it.
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Post by briton on Jul 2, 2019 16:36:12 GMT -5
It has been said that the love of money is the root of all evil and doesn't the Vatican just love money?
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 2, 2019 16:47:56 GMT -5
Hi Briton: I always suggest that if it doesn't have to do with Linda Ronstadt there are other discussion types within this forum and in my opinion your entry qualifies for the War Room (see criteria for this area on forum main page). That is what is great about the forum there are a number of areas to have all kinds of discussions about a variety of topics. eddiejinnj
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Post by briton on Jul 3, 2019 18:04:12 GMT -5
I'm brit but I was forced to use my full name to get something posted.In any case my dim views of Catholicism are in my view very relevant to Linda's situation.I think it would be a crying shame if a dose of bad religion made her think that she has nothing to look forward to but suffering and death.That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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Post by GUEST on Jul 3, 2019 19:45:16 GMT -5
Seems perfectly reasonable to discuss what comes out of Linda's mouth whether religion or politics in this section. It often comes as part of an interview or article about her that deserves attention, exploration or explanation. Since the Michael Moore dedications in 2004 my understanding of her Republican and Fundamentalist Christian comments came from false conservative (political and religious) narratives when in fact she was talking about her own discomfort as a fan knowing an artists proclivities. She was perfectly fine performing for any of her fans no matter their beliefs. Huge difference. I would not have known that had it not been explained in this thread several posts back. If you go to those same sites even today they have it wrong when Linda's name comes up. It's not just thin skinned snowflakes it's a blizzard. Goes to show one how things in the media especially social media get twisted and reinforced.
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Post by goldie on Jul 3, 2019 19:49:41 GMT -5
Seems perfectly reasonable to discuss what comes out of Linda's mouth whether religion or politics in this section. It often comes as part of an interview or article about her that deserves attention, exploration or explanation. Since the Michael Moore dedications in 2004 my understanding of her Republican and Fundamentalist Christian comments came from false conservative (political and religious) narratives when in fact she was talking about her own discomfort as a fan knowing an artists proclivities. She was perfectly fine performing for any of her fans no matter their beliefs. Huge difference. I would not have known that had it not been explained in this thread several posts back. If you go to those same sites even today they have it wrong when Linda's name comes up. It's not just thin skinned snowflakes it's a blizzard. Goes to show one how things in the media especially social media get twisted and reinforced. Just saw this. Yes, I guess I had it wrong too. But it makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 4, 2019 9:28:46 GMT -5
Well it was cleared up that she gave a slightly different response when asked again. That just human nature to sometimes not remember what was exactly said before. Anyway, my response to Brit was based on his one sentence that in and of itself is not about Linda Ronstadt and subject matter is more for the War Room. That's all. I didn't even move it there as he had other topic related posts on this thread so was for informational purposes more for the future. IMO based on my experience and knowledge of the forum, ANY subject Linda has expressed views, comments quotes etc on is definitely stuff for the Linda discussion group. Actually, would love for her to talk about her knitting sewing projects and see things that she has completed. It just popped in my head as I was expressing that all things discussed by Linda etc are for this part of forum. All have a fun safe 4th!!!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by briton on Jul 7, 2019 20:11:48 GMT -5
One last comment.If Linda doesn't immediately wake up in heaven then there's no such place.But I know there is.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 7, 2019 21:26:16 GMT -5
One last comment.If Linda doesn't immediately wake up in heaven then there's no such place.But I know there is.
If willing I would be interested in hearing your story or why you feel like that at this link:
ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/591/spirituality-life
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Post by briton on Jul 8, 2019 12:35:42 GMT -5
I first saw Linda on a Chuck Berry show and was devastated.I have many catholic friends in the British part of Ireland that I am from.I have degrees in mathematics and statistics,the result of a strong aptitude for figuring things out. Although not religious I have always had immense respect for the word and example of Jesus.I think Catholicism is accurately described as Popery and it is a tragedy that such a wonderful person as Linda should think she has nothing in her future but suffering and death.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 8, 2019 13:49:57 GMT -5
I first saw Linda on a Chuck Berry show and was devastated.I have many catholic friends in the British part of Ireland that I am from.I have degrees in mathematics and statistics,the result of a strong aptitude for figuring things out. Although not religious I have always had immense respect for the word and example of Jesus.I think Catholicism is accurately described as Popery and it is a tragedy that such a wonderful person as Linda should think she has nothing in her future but suffering and death. Not sure how you are connecting the two things together. If you are referring to something she said in an interview you must know words often get lost or confused in the translation when printed. I would be careful about conflating religion, spirituality and the natural order of the universe. I don't think Linda has ever given us any definitive explanation of her true beliefs or lack thereof. And we all know what "assume" means.
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Post by LindaFan5 on Jul 8, 2019 14:27:11 GMT -5
There was another article where she talked about having right wing, fundamentalist Christians in her audience and she clearly stayed that she didn’t like it and she’d rather not know they were there. It’s from a different article that focused on her support of gay rights so she was bolder in her statements given the magazine’s readership I do not think she was misquoted. But later in the book “simple dreams” she writes there were times where she was “less than gracious” and in retrospect would’ve preferred to state things in a different way than she did in some of those articles in the early 2000s. I appreciate her candor.
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Post by LindaFan5 on Jul 8, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5
Found the article. The San Diego Union Tribune July 15, 2004
“This is an election year and I think we’re in desperate trouble and it’s time for people to speak up and not pipe down. It’s a real conflict for me when (she is at or do) a concert and I find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamentalist Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. I’d rather not know.”
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Post by briton on Jul 8, 2019 15:11:15 GMT -5
The fact is that her disillusion with Catholicism has at least caused her to doubt.That's not what Christianity would do to a great person.
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Post by erik on Jul 8, 2019 18:28:55 GMT -5
Quote by Briton:
I would agree wholeheartedly with that. But as I have said, the things that right-wing evangelicals here in America do to pervert and distort Christianity to fit their agenda have, in my opinion, a lot to do with her views on religion today.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 8, 2019 18:46:30 GMT -5
I guess I am not making myself clear so I will just come out and say it. No matter what Linda said or meant about Republicans or Fundamentalists has nothing to do with her beliefs or disbeliefs in God or an afterlife. It has more to do with politics and an "ungodly" "un Jesus-like" president and his "ungodly" "un Jesus-like" supporters that got us into an "ungodly" "un Jesus-like" war through "ungodly" "un Jesus-like" lies that caused the death and/or misery of millions (up and until this very day) and opened up a pandora's box. These people wear their "ungodly" "un Jesus-like" politics disguised as religion on their sleeves. Conflating her politics at the time with spirituality is apples and oranges. One has nothing to do with the other. And I would have to say the same about her disillusion with Catholicism. Since when is Catholicism (or any religion) the last word on Jesus, God, spirituality or belief in an afterlife? There is a fine line between politics and religion and it should be obvious in today's world it is all politics. That is my point.
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Post by briton on Jul 8, 2019 19:46:43 GMT -5
Right back at ya!Couldn't agree more.I actually think that what anyone believes doesn't even matter and it's their nature that counts.
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Post by the Scribe on Jul 9, 2019 16:07:45 GMT -5
Right back at ya!Couldn't agree more.I actually think that what anyone believes doesn't even matter and it's their nature that counts. Yes, being a good person and doing good things and taking a stand on injustices and exposing lies put forth as truth should count for something when we leave this world. I don't think we need to worry about Linda's immortal soul. Better to worry about our own first.
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Post by briton on Jul 9, 2019 16:41:56 GMT -5
I don't think either of us has anything to worry about.It's the road to heaven that's paved with good intentions.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 10, 2019 7:23:01 GMT -5
IMO, we should all follow the words that Linda sang in "Let's Get Together"!!!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by briton on Jul 10, 2019 13:14:04 GMT -5
There are a lot of great modern songs on the subject.Among my favourite lines are When Jesus comes to free us and says It is enough the diamonds will be shining no longer in the rough.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jul 10, 2019 13:58:54 GMT -5
Well, I am not sure I am giving an exact example of what song/s you are talking. There are great modern Christian pop and rock songs but the song I am referring to is re: all people. We should get together and love one another regardless of race religion etc. I was trying to tie song subject matter which would be great if it happened and also to bring thread back on topic and relate it to Linda!!!!! Those of you that may not read whole thread through, I am not against the topic/s re: religion as a discussion as a whole but if not related to Linda should probably be discussed in the War Room (maybe, Tony, you might want to change the name of that room). I know it was meant in a benign fashion as a name for that discussion area but it may give too much of a pre-conceived notion to others. Just food for thought. If I make a suggestion to move a post it is based on the subject matter organizationally being more appropriate. eddiejinnj
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Post by briton on Jul 10, 2019 17:55:58 GMT -5
My main concern is Linda.It was shortly after I saw her great performance with Chuck that it was confirmed that she had Parkinson's.Also,I thought she was a young thing but she's only 2 months younger than me.That gives this old cripple hope!
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Post by briton on Jul 10, 2019 20:34:57 GMT -5
On the subject of song lyrics a talented performer called Tracy Lawrence came up with the priceless line I'm gonna live forever if the good die young
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Post by Cal Border on Dec 14, 2019 10:05:38 GMT -5
My experience is such that it appears that people's biggest problem with religion is not with the actual Creator, but with those who are part of organized religion; who are themselves engaged in feeble attempts to portray what the Creator is like, but fall miserably short. God is much bigger and grander than all the religions of the world combined, and it is a mistake to allow imperfect people or religious organizations to eclipse one's seeking a relationship with the Creator. Linda was raised Catholic, and that religion is a convoluted form of what Jesus the Christ had in mind. One has to study the Bible from an objective point of view rather than the subjective viewpoints of the various denominations, and the secular naysayers out there. Secular education has shoved evolution down our throats, as if it is "factual science"; when in reality it is not. The simplest fact that destroys the credibility of evolution is the absence of the millions of transitional forms in the fossil record needed to make the theory credible. But the educators fail to make mention of this, even though Charles Darwin's colleagues criticized his theory on that basis. I could go on about the evidence in geology and DNA research that demonstrate that the earth is much younger than the "scientists" say it is. It actually takes MORE faith to be an atheist than it takes to recognize that there had to be an intelligent Designer to make everything work the way it does. It is a mathematical absurdity to think that everything came about by accident. --- It is time for people to grow up and think for themselves. A good member of a jury in a court of law will look at BOTH sides of the story before arriving at a verdict. Too often people do not take the time to do this and wind up settling on a viewpoint that falls short of an objective view.
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Post by sliderocker on Dec 15, 2019 13:11:51 GMT -5
My experience is such that it appears that people's biggest problem with religion is not with the actual Creator, but with those who are part of organized religion; who are themselves engaged in feeble attempts to portray what the Creator is like, but fall miserably short. God is much bigger and grander than all the religions of the world combined, and it is a mistake to allow imperfect people or religious organizations to eclipse one's seeking a relationship with the Creator. Linda was raised Catholic, and that religion is a convoluted form of what Jesus the Christ had in mind.
The Catholic church, I would argue, was one of the first, if not the first, churches based on the teachings of Christ. It wasn't above being infallible in its beliefs and practices. The priests and nuns are all human beings as well and subject to making mistakes. I'm not sure I would disagree with you that it was a convoluted form on what Jesus had in mind, but I see many other Christian religions that are more convoluted and more hooked on their dogma which is not supported in their Bibles whatsoever. With regard to Linda, I believe she is spiritual but not religious, although I believe she is still Catholic at heart and in heart, and will always be so though no longer attending the church. What she learned has stayed with her and informs her as to what she believes.
One has to study the Bible from an objective point of view rather than the subjective viewpoints of the various denominations, and the secular naysayers out there.
That's what people should do but because of the filters they have, their prejudices and biases on the matter, there would still be arguments and disagreements over every little thing where the interpretation was different.
Secular education has shoved evolution down our throats, as if it is "factual science"; when in reality it is not. The simplest fact that destroys the credibility of evolution is the absence of the millions of transitional forms in the fossil record needed to make the theory credible. But the educators fail to make mention of this, even though Charles Darwin's colleagues criticized his theory on that basis. I could go on about the evidence in geology and DNA research that demonstrate that the earth is much younger than the "scientists" say it is. It actually takes MORE faith to be an atheist than it takes to recognize that there had to be an intelligent Designer to make everything work the way it does. It is a mathematical absurdity to think that everything came about by accident. --- It is time for people to grow up and think for themselves. A good member of a jury in a court of law will look at BOTH sides of the story before arriving at a verdict. Too often people do not take the time to do this and wind up settling on a viewpoint that falls short of an objective view.
I believe in God and I don't have a problem with evolution. Evolution is not a threat to what I believe and that's all I'm going to say here, as this part of your post has nothing to do with Linda and should be over in the War Room.
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Post by Bomber on Jan 20, 2020 23:15:08 GMT -5
I too am confused with some of her comments. She says she is atheist but yet she says Aaron Neville sings like an arch angel from heaven. There are pictures of her wearing a cross necklace. she has friends over to visit her at Christmas so she must celebrate Christmas and had done Christmas albums and shows. And in a recent photo at her house she is sitting below a picture of the Our Lady of Guadalupe. She has said she used to pray to a Haitian God about Barack Obama. Maybe she goes back and forth about her beliefs. Anyway I wish her well.
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Post by Dianna on Jan 21, 2020 0:33:53 GMT -5
I too am confused with some of her comments. She says she is atheist but yet she says Aaron Neville sings like an arch angel from heaven. There are pictures of her wearing a cross necklace. she has friends over to visit her at Christmas so she must celebrate Christmas and had done Christmas albums and shows. And in a recent photo at her house she is sitting below a picture of the Our Lady of Guadalupe. She has said she used to pray to a Haitian God about Barack Obama. Maybe she goes back and forth about her beliefs. Anyway I wish her well. Regardless of how Linda Believes... She is very traditional,conservative (not politically lol) and family oriented. Linda was raised Catholic and Mexican. So having The "Our Lady of Guadalupe," artwork in her home, is most likely part of her identity.. I believe her daughter Mary is an Artist and could also be responsible for the religious artwork in Linda's home. Linda has been wearing a cross and even a patron saint medallion in the early part of her career.. again probably part of her upbringing and tradition.. IMO
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