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Post by macbanshee on Sept 20, 2013 19:38:53 GMT -5
Does anyone know how to correct Linda's name on Wikipedia? At one time I corrected it (it is Maria Linda Ronstadt, not Linda Marie Ronstadt), but now the name is in an area that does not appear to allow edits.
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Post by Tony on Sept 21, 2013 2:08:53 GMT -5
I tried to correct it too but I was told that I was vandalizing the Ronstadt section. So now I just ignore wikipedia.
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Post by beatle on Sept 21, 2013 7:50:23 GMT -5
And there is a little known and amusing complication.....the two Linda Ronstadts....I picked this up in one of my conversations with Janet years ago....we were talking about how on Ebay you will see "Linda Ronstadt's cancelled checks"...and she said that few people knew that Linda has a cousin Richie who is also a musician. I believe he was playing with her when she sang at that Mothers Day thing at that school in Tucson...and he is married to a woman named Linda...so she too is officially and legally "Linda Ronstadt" and it has caused her some problems...  |
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 21, 2013 13:17:52 GMT -5
I've never seen anything to suggest Linda's birth name was written as Maria Linda. I've been a fan since '67 and from that time it was given as Linda Maria Ronstadt. Not Maria Linda nor Linda Marie, which was reflected on wikipedia, but is now back to Linda Maria.It is possible to change an entry but I think wikipedia allows the person who provided the entry to prevent the information from being changed by others. If Linda's name at birth was Maria Linda, there's no way that information wouldn't have been known before now, and Linda is such a straight forward person, you know that she's the kind of person who would've been up front about her birth name.
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Post by beatle on Sept 21, 2013 15:45:34 GMT -5
Andrew Gold told me years ago in an email that her real name was Maria Linda.I never persued it further than that as I thought that was typical of either the time (She may have thought Linda would have been more acceptable to the public) or that she simply chose it as the name she preferred to be called. Like Paul McCartney, his name is really James Paul McCartney....Rich
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 21, 2013 15:54:41 GMT -5
are you guys suggesting that her main entry be titled Maria Linda Ronstadt or just include the info of her birth name next to or amongst the text in her Wikipedia page/s. I think as far as doing a search it should be kept as Linda Ronstadt as that is how she is internationally known. eddiejinnj
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Post by No on Sept 22, 2013 2:55:53 GMT -5
No. The article should be for LINDA RONSTADT. But it says her birth name is Linda Maria Ronstadt, when in fact it is Maria Linda Ronstadt.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Sept 22, 2013 8:42:07 GMT -5
oh ok I get it and that would be right to do!!!!!! eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 22, 2013 13:32:23 GMT -5
Andrew Gold told me years ago in an email that her real name was Maria Linda.I never persued it further than that as I thought that was typical of either the time (She may have thought Linda would have been more acceptable to the public) or that she simply chose it as the name she preferred to be called. Like Paul McCartney, his name is really James Paul McCartney....Rich I guess the answer would be for someone to produce a birth certificate, but then, we have people who don't believe what they see on a birth certificate either. While it's possible Linda may have been born Maria Linda and preferred to be called Linda, I think that error would've been caught and corrected long before now. It's hard for anyone to keep something like that quiet. Look at how many old time celebrities tried to fudge about their age. That's mostly a thing of the past now but it was impossible for them to maintain the deception as to how old they really were or are. Linda's full given name at birth is something that would be a little harder to keep quiet as that would be something a little easier to look up, I would think. |
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Post by 70smusicfan on Sept 22, 2013 17:12:19 GMT -5
If someone is at the three last appearances - i.e., the CA, OR, or WA lectures, perhaps they could ask?
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Post by Delbert on Sept 22, 2013 19:01:27 GMT -5
Maybe Nick Clooney can help you out with verification.
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Post by macbanshee on Sept 23, 2013 0:07:20 GMT -5
Linda has explained that her name was Maria Linda because Catholics had to have the first name of a saint, and there is no St. Linda.
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Post by lance on Sept 23, 2013 13:22:16 GMT -5
Catholics choose a Saints name at our Confirmation. This generally happens during 2nd grade. Mine is Gregory. Brooke Shields birth name is Brooke Christa Shields, her confirmation name is Camille. Farrah Fawcett's birth name is Farrah Leni Fawcett. She chose Mary as her confirmation name. Once someone tried to say her birth name was Mary Farrah Fawcett, which was inacurate.Just because you choose a confirmation name, it isn't a legal part of your name unless you petition the court for a name change. Linda Maria Ronstadt sounds fine to me. Why is this such an issue?
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Post by because on Sept 23, 2013 16:29:14 GMT -5
Just because it may "sound fine" to you is totally irrelevant. Check out Linda's birth certificate, early autographs, the name on official court documents. Facts are facts.
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Post by macbanshee on Sept 23, 2013 21:50:59 GMT -5
It's an issue for me (my confirmation name is Marie) because someone's given name is the name. Apparently she has always gone by her middle name, Linda, but that does not turn her first name, Maria, into the middle name Maria. The saint explanation for the first name was Linda's explanation, so apparently that was her parents' rationale for the name, whether it makes sense to anyone or not. If Wiki just left everything as Linda Ronstadt, I would not have an issue. My issue is that they list "Linda Maria Ronstadt," which is not and never has been her name. The people who oversee Wikipedia edits reject attempts to correct it to be accurate.
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Post by Dianna on Sept 24, 2013 0:37:25 GMT -5
Catholics choose a Saints name at our Confirmation. This generally happens during 2nd grade. Mine is Gregory. Brooke Shields birth name is Brooke Christa Shields, her confirmation name is Camille. Farrah Fawcett's birth name is Farrah Leni Fawcett. She chose Mary as her confirmation name. Once someone tried to say her birth name was Mary Farrah Fawcett, which was inacurate.Just because you choose a confirmation name, it isn't a legal part of your name unless you petition the court for a name change. Linda Maria Ronstadt sounds fine to me. Why is this such an issue? It's been a long time since my first holy communion, which was at 7 years old and then confirmation around 13 yrs.. I remember taking a saint's name for my confirmation only.. I think the name I took was esther.. I've also heard that Linda's legal name was Maria Linda Ronstadt.. |
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 24, 2013 3:27:33 GMT -5
Just because it may "sound fine" to you is totally irrelevant. Check out Linda's birth certificate, early autographs, the name on official court documents. Facts are facts. But, where are the facts on this point beyond personal beliefs? Who has a copy of Linda's birth certificate? Or provide an official court document? I couldn't see Linda signing an autograph as Maria Ronstadt or even Maria Linda Ronstadt, not when she has been known to all as Linda. Most people don't use their first and middle names together in everyday use. But, again, Linda's name being Maria Linda is something I hadn't heard until the issue was brought up here. And the burden of proof is on those who say it's so and hearsay is the flimsiest of evidence. Come up with the hard, indisputable evidence, not personal belief. |
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Post by BRENDYWENDY on Sept 24, 2013 6:22:58 GMT -5
Linda has explained that her name was Maria Linda because Catholics had to have the first name of a saint, and there is no St. Linda. WHERE DID SHE SAY THAT? EASIEST THING WOULD BE FOR SOMEONE HERE TO ASK HER AT ONE OF HER CURRENT APPEARANCES. WHAT IS HER SISTER SUZY'S FIRST NAME, IS IT A SAINT'S NAME? |
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Post by Sometimes on Sept 24, 2013 10:08:05 GMT -5
Sometimes you can know something without being able to prove it. Linda had signed her name as "Maria Linda Ronstadt" in the early Stone Poneys days.
Maybe I know this to be a fact because I know Linda personally and she told me this. F***ing sorry I didn't record the conversation.
But if you search the internet, you can find supporting information. However, the only positive evidence might be her birth certificate. Only she herself or a person who has a valid legal reason to obtain one can get her birth certificate. (I tried.)
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Post by 1peterd on Sept 24, 2013 11:22:25 GMT -5
I wonder if there was a notice of birth in a Tucson paper that could be retrieved from the archives.
Or a high school year book.
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Post by sliderocker on Sept 24, 2013 15:04:22 GMT -5
Sometimes you can know something without being able to prove it.
...also known as the "Don't try to confuse me with facts! I know what I know!" argument. People can know what they know and still be totally wrong. I believe Linda's given name is Linda Maria Ronstadt as that's what I have seen and read since 1967, but if you can show me the proof that it's the other way around, that it's Maria Linda Ronstadt, I don't have a problem saying I'm wrong. It shouldn't be that hard to prove.
Linda had signed her name as "Maria Linda Ronstadt" in the early Stone Poneys days.
If anyone could produce an autographed album or autograph book where Linda signed her name that way, that would be one form of hard proof if the autograph could be verified and authenticated as Linda's signature.
Maybe I know this to be a fact because I know Linda personally and she told me this. F***ing sorry I didn't record the conversation.
Maybe so but it would still be hearsay if no one else heard the conversation. But, here again, in the almost five decades since Linda burst onto the scene, her full name has always been shown as Linda Maria Ronstadt. If it was Maria Linda Ronstadt, why has she never said anything publicly that everyone had gotten it wrong, that it was Maria Linda and not Linda Maria?
But if you search the internet, you can find supporting information. However, the only positive evidence might be her birth certificate. Only she herself or a person who has a valid legal reason to obtain one can get her birth certificate. (I tried.)
Since this issue has been brought up, I've searched the internet but have found nothing that supports the idea that Linda was born Maria Linda Ronstadt. As it is, when it comes to information on the internet, I'm a skeptic because people repeat information or they make it up, but you still don't have a way to verify the source. I saw a lot of websites touting Linda's full name as Linda Marie Ronstadt rather than Linda Maria Ronstadt (or Maria Linda Ronstadt) - where do you suppose the people posting that information got up the idea that her middle name or first name was Marie and not Maria? It's on the internet so it must be true, right?
A birth certificate or school record or court document or government record of some sort would be hard proof. An autograph signed Maria Linda Ronstadt, maybe. Internet claim? Highly skeptical. Personal claim? Devoid of any hard proof to back up the claim, hearsay. I'm skeptical but open to any evidence (except hearsay and the "I know what I know don't try to confuse me with facts!" argument) that you can show to make your case.
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Post by 70smusicfan on Sept 24, 2013 18:00:41 GMT -5
Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ask this question at one of the four remaining public appearances (ever) so we can put this to rest once and for all. It could be phrases as "Some Internet sources list your birth name as 'Maria Linda Ronstadt'. Is 'Linda Marie Ronstadt' your 'stage name'?
I wouldn't put it past Linda to have pulled the wool over Andrew Gold's eyes regarding her name (once you start a "malapropism" in jest, can you ever rescind it?).
I was also interested in her Spanish. At the Washington DC Q&A, she said that she sang the Spanish version of Blue Bayou phonetically (and made lots of mistakes). I'd be interested if she is now fluent (or at least proficient) in Spanish. Did she learn for her two Ranchera and one Latin albums? Or has it been more recent (perhaps for Carlos and Mary).
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Post by Partridge on Sept 24, 2013 18:18:34 GMT -5
A quick search of court records revealed this case involving Linda Ronstadt. The defendant is someone who has sent me information about Linda in the past. Let me ask you this? Why would Linda file a court case under the name Maria Linda Ronstadt? Is it a whim? Or is it because that is her name?  |
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Post by Maria Linda on Sept 24, 2013 19:58:41 GMT -5
I've never seen anything to suggest Linda's birth name was written as Maria Linda. I've been a fan since '67 and from that time it was given as Linda Maria Ronstadt. Not Maria Linda nor Linda Marie, which was reflected on wikipedia, Actually, on the first Stone Poneys album, her name is listed as Linda Marie Ronstadt. On the second, it is listed as Linda Maria Ronstadt. |
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Post by johnnyfromphoenix on Sept 24, 2013 21:18:22 GMT -5
If you watch the Canciones De Mi Padre DVD at the end of the video in the credits her name appears as MELINDA MARIE RONSTADT
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Post by erik on Sept 24, 2013 21:41:22 GMT -5
Quote by johnnyfromphoenix:
I think that's Linda's niece (also known as Mindy), who appears and sings with Linda on "Y Andale."
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 25, 2013 20:21:59 GMT -5
On the old forum we discussed this and somehow decided (can't remember how or why) that her real name was Maria Linda Ronstadt. One of the members even changed the name in wikipedia but it got changed back by ? fairly fast and now I read here it is locked. That is a good question to ask her at an appearance: What name is on your birth certificate? And was St. Gretchen the saint of many husbands?
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Post by Partridge on Sept 25, 2013 22:53:59 GMT -5
I was watching a talk show one night and a celebrity was on-- I think it was Marilu Henner. She said her birth name was wrong on Wikipedia so she corrected it, and the WikiNazis kept changing it back. This is one case where she knew the truth but was unable to prove it to the WikiNazi's satisfaction.
...also known as the "Don't try to confuse me with facts! I know what I know!" argument.
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Post by 1peterd on Sept 25, 2013 23:51:04 GMT -5
There are hundreds of Ronstadt’s in Tucson.
This document or the one above do not prove that the action was by Linda Ronstadt the singer as we know her. It just means that a Maria Linda Ronstadt was a plaintiff in that court.
But I sure would like to know about this name thing.
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Post by Partridge on Sept 26, 2013 0:13:45 GMT -5
If you go to the Pima County Clerk of Court and pull those case records, it will be quite obvious that this Maria Linda Ronstadt is in fact Linda Ronstadt. Either that, or someone masquerading as a harassed celebrity decided to sue someone just for kicks.
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