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Post by LindaFan on Jun 16, 2013 2:53:12 GMT -5
Hi, I needed some advice about my Linda fanpage on facebook. The other day it was deleted out of the blue with no warnings or anything. I had the page for almost three years & it was by far the most active Linda 'page' on facebook with nearly 4000 followers. What is strange is that Linda's 'wiki' page has been upgraded to her official page. They posted a banner about her up coming book the other day. I have no clue why my page was deleted, I didn't do anything wrong & never acted like I was actually Linda or someone that worked for her, it's upsetting. The page was called 'Linda Ronstadt should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame'. I've been told that it could pop back up. I just wanted some advice on how to fix this, is there a certain area on facebook to write in my concern?
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Post by fabtastique on Jun 16, 2013 3:19:33 GMT -5
how strange and frustrating ..... but I doubt it will come back. There must be way to contact them but I couldn't find anything
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Post by Partridge on Jun 16, 2013 9:53:44 GMT -5
Do you have a URL that was used to go directly to your LR Facebook site? Oh well never mind. I was going to see if I could recover your page on the Internet Archive, but Facebook has a robots.txt file to prevent their site from being crawled and archived.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 10:21:24 GMT -5
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Post by MokyWI on Jun 16, 2013 10:35:15 GMT -5
I noticed one fact while I was just scanning her "wiki" page...they didn't list Cry Like A Rainstorm...Howl Like The Wind as being nominated for Album of the Year for 1989. It was up against Bonnie Raitt's Nick of Tme which won the catagory that year. If I remember correctly, CLARHLTW had a very good chance of winning that award had it not been for Nick of Time. Bonnie deserved every single one of her awards that evening. It just too bad that Ronstadt and Raitt had to compete that year because I think Ronstadt could very well have won album of the year. Didn't Peter Asher win for Producer of the Year for the album CLARHLTW?
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Post by Partridge on Jun 16, 2013 11:34:45 GMT -5
I don't think CRY LIKE A RAINSTORM HOWL LIKE THE WIND was one of the Top 5 album of the year choices that year, although it certainly should have been. I think it's a far better album than NICK OF TIME. Of course at that point in time, Linda Ronstadt recording a fantastic album was just a given, and Bonnie Raitt had gone her entire career without receiving much attention. Somehow that year the world took a bizarre flip and Bonnie Raitt became "the" legendary rock singer instead of Linda. All of Bonnie's previous mediocre projects were forgiven or forgotten. History was rewritten, and everything Bonnie had ever done was fantastic, even forgettable pop albums like STREETLIGHTS and piecework albums like NINE LIVES.
Linda did receive an award that night, with Aaron Neville, for the song DON'T KNOW MUCH-- best pop/rock duo or group.
The album also won BEST ENGINEERED ALBUM, for George Massenburg.
The next year, Linda and Aaron won the same category again, I think for the song ALL MY LIFE. I was surprised the B-52s didn't take it-- after all, this was a song from last year's album.
I'm not really trying to knock Bonnie Raitt here-- she is my favorite singer except for Ronstadt. But I do feel that their relative places in rock music history are currently bizarrely out of whack,
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Post by vikingfan on Jun 16, 2013 17:01:27 GMT -5
CLARHLTW was not nominated for Album of the Year...the other nominees were Tom Petty, Don Henley, Traveling Wilburys and Fine Young Cannibals I think Heart Like a Wheel and Trio are Linda's only albums to be nominated.
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Post by maybe on Jun 16, 2013 18:54:51 GMT -5
maybe simple dreams was nom for album of year?
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Post by vikingfan on Jun 16, 2013 21:30:33 GMT -5
maybe simple dreams was nom for album of year? You would think so but it wasn't.
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Post by musicaamator on Jun 17, 2013 6:20:49 GMT -5
maybe simple dreams was nom for album of year? You would think so but it wasn't. Surprising. (The thread took a big turn there didn't it?
So you're the one who made that page? I am one of those that was following that page. Sucks that it was taken down. Hope it pops back up soon (or it may have already).
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Post by the Scribe on Jun 17, 2013 11:05:47 GMT -5
Maybe the "Ronstadt powers that be" are finally getting motivated to take control and get Linda's story right as well as push for her proper place in music history. If indeed they are one would hope they would be very careful to avoid stepping on loyal fans in this way. I don't know anything about facebook except that I try to avoid it.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 17, 2013 15:52:02 GMT -5
yeah heart and trio are the 2 albums nominated for album of the year. I think that is great. not MANY artists can say that. clarhltw should have been nominated for album of the year but it was bonnie's year that year. if not for her that year, linda would have won more imo. also, it was ridiculous that simple dreams was not nominated. it was the biggest selling album by a solo artist male or female for 1977. eddiejinnj
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Post by Dianna on Jun 17, 2013 17:29:18 GMT -5
yes, I saw that page last week and I noticed there were a lot of members and postings. I hope it comes back.. sorry that happened. There were lots of good Linda photos too.
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Post by Partridge on Jun 17, 2013 18:36:21 GMT -5
Rich, can you put the page back up on Facebook or is it not worth the trouble?
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Post by LindaFan on Jun 18, 2013 4:45:16 GMT -5
Rich, can you put the page back up on Facebook or is it not worth the trouble?
I put three years into that page, posting pictures, links & ect & I'm heartbroken over this. I hope Linda's camp had nothin' to do with it. It was a fanpage. It's confusing, I don't know what happened. The page was getting a rapid amount of 'Likes' in the last few weeks it was around, over 1000 in a weeks time. The page was being promoted somehow. So that was odd as well as Linda's 'wiki' page being upgraded. I'd like to thank whomever did this (sarcastic). I don't have the energy to start another page, there are plenty of 'dead' Linda pages on facebook, why couldn't they delete those?
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Post by musicaamator on Jun 18, 2013 6:34:31 GMT -5
Rich, can you put the page back up on Facebook or is it not worth the trouble?
I put three years into that page, posting pictures, links & ect & I'm heartbroken over this. I hope Linda's camp had nothin' to do with it. It was a fanpage. It's confusing, I don't know what happened. The page was getting a rapid amount of 'Likes' in the last few weeks it was around, over 1000 in a weeks time. The page was being promoted somehow. So that was odd as well as Linda's 'wiki' page being upgraded. I'd like to thank whomever did this (sarcastic). I don't have the energy to start another page, there are plenty of 'dead' Linda pages on facebook, why couldn't they delete those? I hope too that is not the case of Linda's camp having anything to do with shutting down your facebook page. Until now, I didn't even know Linda had an "official" facebook page. Yours was, at least, very interactive with the members as well as nicely laid out and updated too with great photos. What a drag.
However, not to play devil's advocate, maybe her management (if she still is managed) or record company or some associate affiliated with her might have had some part to this? Maybe to place focus on her book being released, to put more emphasis on her official page, perhaps? IDK...
(In a sort of indirect way: I usually peruse YT to check out drum covers of Led Zeppelin tunes and most of the time LZ's music is either muted out or the whole video taken down. So someone has got to be checking out FB pages/yt vids and then shutting them down due to some reason. Maybe a copyright violation or something like that. It's insane. Unfortunately it affected you.)
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 18, 2013 6:42:34 GMT -5
i feel bad for you rich. i know nothing about facebook and have purposely avoided it. it sounds like you put a lot of work into it. can't you contact facebook and get an answer from them. i would hope it wasn't Linda's people. if the site was as good as they say and i'm sure it was why wouldn't they want free advertisement. it does seem that there is a little more of a stir for linda lately. just feel it in my bones. eddiejinnj
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Post by Richard W on Jun 18, 2013 11:05:38 GMT -5
I feel your pain, Rich. I get frustrated when I have to rewrite an email when my mail program messes up, let alone the thought of reconstructing an entire -- and most excellent -- page on Facebook.
But I have difficulty believing that Linda's management had anything to do with your page disappearing since the "unofficial" LR website (http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/) is still up and running with its photos, links, etc. However, be that as it may, I can offer no explanation for what's happened to you and your work except to say that it's probably Facebook related and not part of a broader "conspiracy."
Like Eddie, I, too, have felt a ground-swelling interest in Linda lately, with more people positively commenting on her YouTube videos, more people questioning her exclusion from the RRHoF, the Eagles documentary, the recent art show dust-up, etc. Some sort of convergence is happening.
That this apparent convergence coincides with your Facebook mystery, Rich, is likely just that -- a coincidence. (It's difficult for me to imagine some sort of marketing/management genius suddenly taking control of all things Linda, especially since your Facebook page was actually promoting interest in her forthcoming book.)
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Post by the Scribe on Jun 18, 2013 12:40:16 GMT -5
Just look at how much visitation at THIS forum has increased in the past couple of months. You know something is going on that is very interesting. I can almost relate this to selling a house. I have a real estate license (on the side) and when I would sell a house, especially an older house there was great but short lived interest at first and then nothing for several weeks and sometimes months. Then, for no apparent reason traffic picks up to a flurry and then a frenzy and in that frenzy I would know a sale was imminent. I also relate it to The Merlin Project: accessbest.com/merlin/timetrak.htmSomething is going on with Linda. Not sure what but something is happening that she is in the consciousness of so many lately. Hopefully it is for a good thing but that isn't always the way. I would find it hard to believe Linda or what's left of her management would be doing this. They have for the most part had a hands off approach at the heights of her popularity and it would be odd that all of a sudden they were worried about someones Facebook site. Then again, maybe someone or something may be looking to clean up and prepare for her upcoming celebrity or on the negative is trying hard to sabotage her. (I wonder what Dave Marsh is doing these days?)
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Post by Richard W on Jun 18, 2013 13:17:13 GMT -5
(I wonder what Dave Marsh is doing these days?) Very funny, ronstadtfanaz. It does give you pause... Yes, her management has had a very laissez-faire attitude toward public communications and I can't imagine Linda ever putting the kibosh on any of the sites dedicated to her. On the other hand, that book contract she had to sign may have had some legal stipulations in it we don't (and can't) know about. But then, that in itself is pure speculation. At any rate, my deepest sympathies for Rich and I hope he gets to the bottom of it.
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Post by Dianna on Jun 18, 2013 13:37:41 GMT -5
Hey Rich, have you tried to contact fb? Here is the phone # for customer support, which helps with issues like deleted accounts: Try to call Facebook. The company number is (650) 543-4800. If you are calling from outside the United States, be sure to include the international calling number for the U.S. Good Luck
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 18, 2013 17:17:31 GMT -5
i just noticed tony's post re: raitt and linda and the Grammys. it is so weird that she ended up doing well so late in her career and was the in thing and linda who had always plugged for bonnie became less of a household word though still well known even today especially in the music biz but not the general populace as much. his discussion of its irony is spot on. THERE IS A NEW REVIVAL COMING FOR LINDA!!!!! i just feel it. eddiejinnj
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Post by sliderocker on Jun 18, 2013 17:43:19 GMT -5
Just a thought, Rich, but if you had photos on your facebook page for Linda, could those photos have been in copyright? The photographers who take those photos often make it clear they hold copyrights on the photos and they are just as aggressive as anyone who owns a copyright on an art form in enforcing their copyrights. Even so, the copyright holders should've notified you if you were in violation of their copyrights with a demand for royalty payments. One would think posting photos on facebook would fall under the fair use provision, but it's also possible facebook is or can be like a public meeting place or online community bulletin board, and the rules which prohibit public broadcast or display could apply.
Don't think it's Linda or her management (unless she is the owner of the copyrights) and Linda is no longer signed to a record label, so I've got doubts that a record company had the page taken down. They would have to have the copyrights on some of the photos, and I just don't see that. Of course, maybe it was the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, since it was a "Linda Ronstadt should be in the R&RHoF" page? The R&RHoF doesn't seem to like getting pressure from fans to nominate and induct their favorite artists. In one instance involving the Moody Blues, fans of that group were told to knock it off with petitions asking the hall to nominate and induct the Moodies, as otherwise, the Moodies would never be considered. The threat didn't come direct from the hall but was passed along to the Moodies's management, who had the unpleasant duty of passing the message along to the Moodies's fans. It was rather a heavy handed affair and although the threat apparently worked, the threat generated a lot more bad will for the R&RHoF. One would think that since they count on the public coming to their museum and paying admissions to see the exhibits, what matters to the fans should matter to the hall. But, here again, what matters to the fans counts for naught with the hall.
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Post by erik on Jun 18, 2013 17:59:10 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
The trick, however, in my opinion, is to sustain this for an extended period of time, not just a week or two, or even a month. Even when I posted on both the major Yahoo! Linda Ronstadt fan sites about the Henley/Frey YouTube video regarding Linda's lack of RRHoF recognition, the talk lasted just nine days at the most; and I just don't feel like that's nearly good enough. I think we as fans really have to keep the pressure up at least for the next three months until the memoir comes out...when, just maybe, the press will be talking about Linda again in a much more meaningful way than they have done all century.
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Post by Partridge on Jun 18, 2013 20:32:11 GMT -5
Linda might have to change her approach also. Maybe she won't have to come out and say "Hey I'm a f***ing artist here why am I not getting my recognition!" but she could be a bit less self-deprecating.
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Post by erik on Jun 18, 2013 20:55:23 GMT -5
Quote by Partridge:
I too doubt she'd ever b**ch and moan about not getting any recognition, though, yes, I too think she could stop with the self-deprecation.
But I really worry about whether the media in this country is even going to care, given how short their attention spans are when they aren't talking about Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, or the f***ing Kardashians. If in fact Linda does promotion for her memoir, are they going to recognize her for the great artist that her fans and her peers know her as? Or are we going to get the same tripe about how she "hasn't aged well" and basically "let herself go"?
Time, in my opinion, will tell.
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Post by MokyWI on Jun 19, 2013 9:48:24 GMT -5
Sorry to Rich, you put a lot of care not mention time and you did a great job. Both you and Tony need to know how grateful we are to you both for keeping us together as fans. I know I am always thinking its some right wing conspiracy going on against Linda, but I can't help but wonder.
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Post by the Scribe on Jun 19, 2013 11:05:57 GMT -5
the same tripe about how she "hasn't aged well" and basically "let herself go"?
I would put Linda up against most 67 year olds in either of those categories and she would come out quite nicely thank you. None of us can compete against our younger selves and that is especially true of celebrities whose images are often frozen in the brains of people from the last time they thought of them which could be 30 years ago. Those that complain are an extreme minority, just like the vocal tea partiers who grab more attention than they deserve. When I read that crap online I demand of those people current photos of themselves that I may scrutinize, judge and return my unbiased evaluation. (lol)
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Post by erik on Jun 19, 2013 14:40:02 GMT -5
Quote by ronstadtfanaz:
I wouldn't be so hasty in that judgement. There are plenty of people out there who have been thoroughly brainwashed by the entertainment tabloid media culture, to believe that the ideal look is to remain young forever. And again, as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on him not understanding it."
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Post by eddiejinnj on Jun 19, 2013 15:44:13 GMT -5
the tea partiers comment and the right wing conspiracy really people. first of all we do not know how many people talk badly re: linda and her appearance and also the demographics of these people. it's a superficial world. men are especially visual which has been proven scientifically. I studied it in grad school. it is probably more a mortality thing. we want our idols to look the same. if they get old; it just reminds us we are getting older ourselves. they don't play Helen Reddy anymore; is that a right wing conspiracy? she was all over the place in the 70's and to be honest I believe she had more number one singles than linda (though not nearly as many album sales to my knowledge). can we have a fun non-judgmental forum here? eddiejinnj
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