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Post by steveship on Feb 6, 2019 12:29:21 GMT -5
Tony, I'm new to the forum, and have been looking for this album for years... any way you can post the link again.... Thanks!
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Post by Partridge on Feb 6, 2019 13:55:20 GMT -5
Tony, I'm new to the forum, and have been looking for this album for years... any way you can post the link again.... Thanks! link
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 14, 2019 1:52:59 GMT -5
Anyone have an insight into why Linda left “Keeping Out Of Mischief” off Lush Life?
It’s a great tune .... I wonder if they actually recorded a studio version ?
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Post by Partridge on Oct 14, 2019 2:19:59 GMT -5
Yes. According to press reports at the time, Prince, Linda Ronstadt and Pat Benatar were to have songs on the We Are the World album. Linda's contribution was to be Keeping Out of Mischief. I think it was decided to leave it off because a. it didn't really fit in with the other contemporary songs on the album 2. Harry Belafonte was strongly against it because Ronstadt had performed in South Africa.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 6:01:36 GMT -5
Did any of them get on the album? I would guess no. Despite her recording passion at the time, it probably wasn't the best song to submit for the album stylistically. I was bummed she didn't get onto the song because she was sick. So Belafonte wouldn't have prevented her from singing on the song if she wasn't ill? Any thoughts? I would love to get a recorded version of it. She nailed it at the Sands concert on a current thread. When I saw her at the Sands in AC in the Copa Room, I don't recall if she sang that song. eddiejinnj
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 14, 2019 6:44:38 GMT -5
I recall Belafonte saying he didn't think the song was any good or not her best effort or something to that effect. Ironic in that Belafonte himself is a bit hypocritical politically to make any judgments if he did indeed do that because of Sun City.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 7:56:40 GMT -5
RS' calling Linda the "Snow White of Sun City" is inflammatory and inciting, imo. I believe another testament to what I said re: the power of the written word especially on the internet nowadays as they say it is permanently "Somewhere Out There". eddiejinnj
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 8:00:57 GMT -5
I wonder if any other artist has had such a tumultuous relationship with Rolling Stone? Anybody know? They could be loving; then vicous. Like a dog eating it's own tail. Nasty. eddiejinnj
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Post by erik on Oct 14, 2019 9:08:14 GMT -5
Quote by Partridge re. "Keeping Out Of Mischief" and USA For Africa:
If the song didn't fit in with the other songs included on the album, that's one thing (likely, it wouldn't have). If, on the other hand, it was nixed as a form of, I guess you could call it, "punishment" against Linda for performing in South Africa, then that's incredibly stupid, not to mention hypocritical on the part of Belafonte, since some of the performers on "We Are The World" also performed in South Africa, and they didn't get that kind of censure.
Quotes by eddiejinnj re. Linda and Rolling Stone:
I think it was that Sun City thing that really collapsed whatever "love" there may have been between Linda's camp and Wenner's, at least until late 2013, when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was basically forced at gunpoint to induct her. And while I thought for the longest time that her going to Sun City was unwise, the interview she did with the Australian TV interviewer about it bought it much more into focus; obviously, if the criteria performing anywhere was that there not be any racism, then she couldn't do it, not even here in America. As for that "Snow White In South Africa" slam against her in Rolling Stone....well, it's just enough for me to say that it wasn't that magazine's finest hour by any stretch of the imagination in terms of its socio-political critique.
As for whether any artists have had such problems with that magazine besides Linda...well, the Eagles did. Any acts that start out small and artistic, Rolling Stone seems to love right out of the gate. But the moment they sell millions upon millions of records, then they start crying "SELL-OUTS!" It's a case in which nobody who sells in huge amounts and makes great albums that people remember decades later could possibly be that good.
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Post by Partridge on Oct 14, 2019 12:30:43 GMT -5
Linda did not record on We Are the World because she had the flu. Pat Benatar was out of town, probably on tour. Prince just didn't show up because of his big ego and he was not running the show (my opinion). All three were invited to be on the recording. Many artists who wanted to perform on We Are the World were refused.
Both Paul Simon and Linda Ronstadt were left off the official album, the official reason given being not room for those recordings.
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 14, 2019 14:04:50 GMT -5
but I presume Linda could still have put KOOM on Lush Life or For Sentimental Reasons ...... obviously she recorded it - shame it was never released
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Post by Tony on Oct 14, 2019 14:26:45 GMT -5
yes, it is odd that she did not include that song on Lush Life, especially since she touted it during the What's New HBO special. Maybe it will show up next year on the 35th anniversary deluxe edition of Lush Life.
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Post by Linda Fan5 on Oct 14, 2019 15:30:40 GMT -5
Snow White in South Africa was actually not a hit job. If you read it you get a story of a RS reporter getting a lot of access to Linda, traveling with her and covering her emotions, including of how she fretted over the decision then concluded it was ok to be there. I like the Rolling Stone articles on Linda. Excellent writers who often spent days with her for their profiles on her. I don’t think she was constantly misquoted. Maybe misunderstood at times. She willingly wore sexy outfits fir the covers. The pink one with the cowboy boots for example, and that was for Scavullo not Leibovitz. Linda was very candid and 1960s and 70s way and when she became a mom she probably regret it some of that being on the record. Then after the kids were older she started to Linda was very candid in the 1960s and 70s way and when she became a mom she probably regretted some of that being on the record. Then after the kids were older she started to confirm or ease up her displeasure about what had been written about her in the past. As for the Snow White reference. At the time her next project was going to be Snow White on Broadway (Disney said yes then said no) so it’s weaved through the article in a way that makes perfect sense
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Post by Partridge on Oct 14, 2019 16:22:35 GMT -5
Snow White in South Africa was actually not a hit job. Frank Sinatra Olivia Newton-John Tina Turner Liza Minelli Ray Charles Barry Manilow Helen Reddy Dolly Parton Cher George Benson Rita Coolidge The Beach Boys Glen Campbell Diana Ross All those artists and many many more performed in South Africa and were on the United Nations blacklist. How many of them did Rolling Stone print a negative article about focusing on their violation of that boycott? I still thing it was a hatchet job and part of a concerted effort of Rolling Stone Magazine to condemn all things Linda Ronstadt.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 17:00:25 GMT -5
I am her number 1 fan lol and I don't really recall at the time Disney considering her for what the voice of Snow White? I would say that was not common knowledge. Enough to be the only reason they used that quote. Come on they used the whitest of "white" characters. Yes, on occasion because of her black hair and porcelain skin she was compared to her but not as a nickname I EVER heard anybody use and I am not sure if ever BEFORE this article. I agree with Tony; it was a hatchet job. It was a bizarre article at best. Showing her sleeping in a bed in a field, etc. I remember clearly where I was physically when I first read the article. On top of it, the opportunity was thrown at her at the last minute as a replacement for Sinatra (and Boom Boom Mancini?) who became ill and had to cancel. eddiejinnj
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 17:05:32 GMT -5
It is weird that KOOMN was not ever released, especially since she did it on her first non-released standards album with J. Wexler. So she had doing the song in mind for awhile it would seem. eddiejinnj
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 14, 2019 17:26:57 GMT -5
So Benatar and Prince were invited like Linda to be on the single but not on the album? The ones cut from the album ere Linda and Paul not Benatar and Prince, correct? Kind of a double bummer for Linda since she was sick for the single recording and her and Paul's songs weren't used for the album. Well, she was invited to be on the single. eddiejinnj
PS: Just looked at the track listing for the album and Prince has a song on it but not Benatar.
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Post by Richard W on Oct 15, 2019 8:29:52 GMT -5
Snow White in South Africa was actually not a hit job. Frank Sinatra Olivia Newton-John Tina Turner Liza Minelli Ray Charles Barry Manilow Helen Reddy Dolly Parton Cher George Benson Rita Coolidge The Beach Boys Glen Campbell Diana Ross All those artists and many many more performed in South Africa and were on the United Nations blacklist. How many of them did Rolling Stone print a negative article about focusing on their violation of that boycott? I still thing it was a hatchet job and part of a concerted effort of Rolling Stone Magazine to condemn all things Linda Ronstadt. Let's not forget Queen. What few people then or now understood was that Sun City, the resort in South Africa, was granted "independent" status from that country (shades of graft and wheeling-dealing, for sure) and its apartheid policies -- along with South Africa's ban on gambling, making Sun City a Vegas-like oasis in an otherwise repressive country. Which may be how the Black performers on this list could justify performing there. And Linda, although she's the only one to receive flak from doing so. As for KOOM, it would have fit beautifully on Lush Life, replacing You Took Advantage of Me, which is essentially such a clone of Can't We Be Friends that I can't help but feel it was a last minute replacement for Mischief. As to why, I can only shrug.
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Post by erik on Oct 15, 2019 8:55:50 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W:
Of course, you do have to wonder how many black people could have attended those concerts, including Linda's, who weren't there providing security. But yes, a lot of performers did perform there and got little to no flak for doing so. Linda, it seemed, because of her popularity, was singled out and, for all intents and purposes, basically painted by Rolling Stone as being at best naïve, and at worst little short of racist (IMHO).
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Post by Flip on Oct 15, 2019 10:32:29 GMT -5
yes, it is odd that she did not include that song on Lush Life, especially since she touted it during the What's New HBO special. Maybe it will show up next year on the 35th anniversary deluxe edition of Lush Life. Is there a 35th anniversary deluxe edition of Lush Life actually planned for release, or is this just something that is hoped for? I would buy it in a heartbeat!
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Post by LindaFan5 on Oct 15, 2019 11:04:39 GMT -5
Well what I took away from it was Linda was focused on because she was a very big star then. Bigger than the others on that list. The Sun City thing landed her in hot water before she even went. So the article put forth her side of the story with her participation. At the time it is that article that cleared it up for me. And in her usual candid way she did express her reservations. The photo of her on a bed outside was definitely allowed by her. I just see it as a journalistically sound article. The only time I was offended by RS on her behalf was the canciones review which seemed racist. I respected album reviews even when I didn’t agree with them. In bad reviews of Linda’s work there are always compliments because how could there not be.
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Post by Richard W on Oct 15, 2019 13:17:08 GMT -5
Quote by Richard W: Of course, you do have to wonder how many black people could have attended those concerts, including Linda's, who weren't there providing security. But yes, a lot of performers did perform there and got little to no flak for doing so. Linda, it seemed, because of her popularity, was singled out and, for all intents and purposes, basically painted by Rolling Stone as being at best naïve, and at worst little short of racist (IMHO). No doubt Blacks in Sun City were given about the same social latitude as those in Jim Crow Alabama, no matter what laws were on the books. But, while Linda, being who she is (and was), found some sort of justification in performing there, it makes me wonder how different her reasoning might have been from, say, Tina Turner's or Ray Charles's.
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Post by fabtastique on Oct 15, 2019 13:35:23 GMT -5
yes, it is odd that she did not include that song on Lush Life, especially since she touted it during the What's New HBO special. Maybe it will show up next year on the 35th anniversary deluxe edition of Lush Life. Is there a 35th anniversary deluxe edition of Lush Life actually planned for release, or is this just something that is hoped for? I would buy it in a heartbeat! Nothing planned as far as I am aware - I don’t think Linda can be bothered .... I asked about a 30 year reissue of CLAR and the answer was that Linda wasn’t interested .....
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Post by Partridge on Oct 15, 2019 14:03:36 GMT -5
I asked about a 30 year reissue of CLAR and the answer was that Linda wasn’t interested ..... I would bet that Aaron Neville would be interested. Linda's folks are completely ignoring the appeal of Record Store Day. Of course most Record Store Day items are limited editions, and Linda doesn't seem to be interested in small potatoes pressings of 3000 copies or even less, sometimes in the hundreds. I don't think small releases make sense financially to them. And then of course there is the marketplace. Regular reissues by major artists sell physical copies in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands. And there are costs associated with any new issue that need to be recouped. Besides which, in my opinion, the vinyl resurgence is not going to save the music industry. As for Tina Turner, she did receive some flak for her South Africa appearance, but not widely publicized. She was up for a NAACP Image Award and the offer was rescinded. Her spokesman said Tina "performed in South Africa about five years ago when she was not enjoying her current popularity" and was "unaware of the implications." He said that Tina has received several recent offers to return, including one for $1,000,000 to perform in Sun City but she turned down those bids. Tina apologized for playing there and vowed not to return and her name was removed from the UN Blacklist. In the early '90s, Linda promised not to return and her name was also removed from the blacklist, but the carping about her appearances has not stopped to this day.
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Post by eddiejinnj on Oct 20, 2019 7:40:39 GMT -5
Also from my understanding she was asked to perform as a replacement for an ailing Sinatra. So her decision needed to be made quick. Was her taking over for Sinatra part of the decision? Did she feel flattered that if Sinatra couldn't do it they ask me even subconsciously. Even in the slightest? Just throwing considerations out there. IMO, this is multi-faceted. eddiejinnj
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Post by rigby2222 on Jan 3, 2020 11:14:02 GMT -5
could someone please repost the keeping out of mischief link. Thanks in advance
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Post by Partridge on Jan 3, 2020 15:00:49 GMT -5
Here is a link to download the unreleased album in mp3, along with some graphics of the front and back cover: Fats Waller project
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Post by rigby2222 on Jan 3, 2020 15:18:12 GMT -5
Thank you so much that is no nice of you. I appreciate it:-)
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Post by Checked Bigozine2 on Jan 3, 2020 17:19:01 GMT -5
The recent posts here piqued my interest in checking Bigozine2 again. There is a Henley Benefit Concert from 1985 recently posted at the following link: bigozine2.com/roio/?p=4512All of Henley's music has been removed, but there are three songs by Linda live.
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Post by More Bigozine2 on Jan 3, 2020 17:46:12 GMT -5
There is also a recording (probably by someone in the audience) of a 1977 Linda concert I don't remember seeing before: bigozine2.com/roio/?p=4458
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